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angelanzus
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Posted - 11/10/2005 :  10:40:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MP Rich

A large project so let's break it down to something more manageable that can be explained and then the ideas will work for the other sides as well. Let me look at the second pic for example. It looks like a pretty well maintained building as they have put new siding on. Vinyl, possibly steel. Neither of these are on the scale model market that I know about. Others may know of a source. Either way I would be willing to backdate it slightly and go with the original siding which probably would have been wooden clapboard. There is quite a wide range of that available and only the trained eye will know the difference. For size and amount there will need to be quite a lot of measuring and planning. If you have measurements of the actual structure on hand, good. Let's assume not and go with it. The right front door looks larger than the left. Three foot width for the right, two foot eight inches for the left would be standard sizes. That will give you a scale to use for measuring the photos and quessimating the rest. On my screen the right door measures 1/2 inch. The left 3/8. I would use 1/2 inch equals 3 feet as a scale to measure the rest. For height the doors can be assumed to be six foot eight inches. Count the siding laps next to the door, maybe eleven plus a bit and use that to work out a size for the siding. Don't be surprised if the lap siding is eight inches high. Somewhat standard size there. From there you are off and running. Don't trust measurements from one photo to be the same on the others. The distance from camera to subject changes the size. Would you like to move this over to make a separate subject for a scratch project of it's own? That way it is less apt to get lost in the clutter and you can get all the help quicker.



I have started a new topic as you suggested - Scratchbuild a tavern I think I called it. Thankyou - I look forward to your suggestions and help.
Angela



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fsm1000
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Posted - 10/09/2006 :  01:59:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit fsm1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think because it is so OBVIOUS to us who have done this a while, we missed one of the most common essential tool. A SHARP BLADE.
I don't think it can be emphasized enough for beginners. A new blade [actually I oan a diamond sharpener and resharpen mine] is essential for accurate cuts and lessening frustration.
Anyhow, I thought I'd mention it.

One thing else I do is use solder to wrap around two objects to hold them together. It is soft enough not to harm most models, bendable and will hold its shape fairly well.
When you need to hold an ackward item in place while it dries for instance, but don't really need pressure, I use solder. I just leave it on the roll and wrap the objects together. Once dried I unwrap it and roll up the solder again. Perfectly good for use as solder afterward.

Hope that helps :D


My old website is still here though not much in activity. I hope you enjoy it anyhow :)
http://sites.google.com/site/fsm10002

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Old Fogy
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Posted - 10/14/2006 :  09:25:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Several modelers on this thread have noted the importance of a scale ruler.I agree that converting measurements to the scale level, say HO, would result in an accurate construction of the scale level. I work on HO, thus where can I purchase one?

Also, what about adhesives? Some modelers cite Elmers's Wood Glue as an effective adhesive, but what quick-drying cement or glue is also preferred? Is there a so-called standard wood or plastic cement used by the majority modelers?

Also cited among some messages is the Northwest Short Line Chopper used to cut wooden strips at various angles. Is this a "must have" tool for the workbench?

Gary (Old Fogy)



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Bbags
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Posted - 10/14/2006 :  09:46:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Gary,
I bought my scale ruler at a local hobby shop.
For the chopper if you are going to scratch build then it is a really big help.
I bought mine from Micro-Mark which specializes in tools for modeling.
You should be able to also purchase the scale rule there also.

Be careful for you can spend a fortune just by looking through their web site.

http://www.micromark.com/

As for glue everyone has their favorites but I use a variety of Aleene's tacky glues that are found in Walmart along with the craft paints.
I also use super glue which I buy at a hardware store.
I like the Loctite Super Glue Gel.

I am sure others will add to these suggestions.



John Bagley
Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia.

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MikeC
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Posted - 10/14/2006 :  09:53:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gary, there is a variety of scale rulers available, but I think a lot of modelers use General's stainless steel scale rulers. The one I have is 1" wide X 12" long and is marked for HO and O on one side and S, N, and metric/decimal equivalents on the other. If you can't find one in your local hobby/train store, it can be ordered from Walthers, cat. # 285-1251. They also have a 6" ruler available. Additionally, Midwest Products makes a combo ruler/ scale stripwood gauge for sizing stripwood. It's pretty handy to have at times also.

You'll probably get lots of different answers about adhesives, most based on personal preferences. I like Aleene's Tacky for most wood-to-wood applications, but others prefer wood glue, white glue, yellow glue, etc. And you'll get a wide variety of suggestions for ACC's and epoxies also, I imagine.

For me, the NWSL Chopper is definitely a "must have!" I use mine mainly to cut pieces of wood to exact, identical lengths, such as would be required for studs and framing. I have two Choppers. One is the "old" model with the masonite base, and the other is the "new" one with the smaller cast metal base and replaceable cutting pad. I use them both, depending upon the task and the size (length) of the wood I'm working with. I don't know if the old-style Choppers are still available now.




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Old Fogy
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Posted - 10/14/2006 :  10:38:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you, Mike and John. Hasn't taken long to learn that constructing home-made models can lead to a workbench chock full of paints, brushes, knives, blades, adhesives, sheets of wood, magnifying glasses and a host of tools of various sizes and shapes, and for various purposes.

I've got to the point in my venture as a novice scratchbuilder where I have tinted strips of wood with both black and brown India ink and a building plan. Getting to this point has been exciting and educational. I'm learning a new vocabulary and discovering yet another channel through which to funnel my creativity.

It's truly satisfying taking a mere abstract thought and transferring it to concrete conclusion as many of you have. I hope you do not underrate what you are doing.

I'm about to order the chopper from MicroMart along with a few other essentials. [John, you're correct. MicroMart's catalog can empty a wallet in no time.] My earnest attempt at creating something you can hold in your hands from something that was only a thought should begin this week.

At age 75.5, I'm not old after all.

Gary (Old Fogy)



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Tabooma County Rwy
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Posted - 10/14/2006 :  11:18:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gary, sounds like your enthusiasm is reaching the sky! Modelbuilding can certainly be rewarding.

I use Titebond or Titebond II when gluing wood to wood. It dries pretty quickly, really, a lot quicker than Elmer's white glue. And like John and Mike said, Aileen's Tacky Glue is great! I use it for a wide range of applications.

And I think if you are scratchbuilding, you will be really glad you bought a Chopper. I've worn out my old masonite based model and have the new model now. It's a great tool.

Oh, and as to the scale rule, I've got several kicking around, but I find myself using the six inch one the most. Also, I bought a dial caliper set several years ago that is graduated in HO measurements, and find it very useful.



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Bbags
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Posted - 10/14/2006 :  11:45:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Old Fogy

At age 75.5, I'm not old after all.

Gary (Old Fogy)


Gary,

While I am 9 years your junior I expect to keep on doing this for another 25 years or so.
I may need all that time to finish my layout and build all the kits I have on the shelf.
That is without all the new kits I will purchase down the road.
I guess I better go for 30 more years of modeling.



John Bagley
Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia.

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Old Fogy
Crew Chief

Posted - 10/14/2006 :  12:38:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

quote:
Originally posted by Old Fogy

At age 75.5, I'm not old after all.

Gary (Old Fogy)


Gary,

While I am 9 years your junior I expect to keep on doing this for another 25 years or so.
I may need all that time to finish my layout and build all the kits I have on the shelf.
That is without all the new kits I will purchase down the road.
I guess I better go for 30 more years of modeling.




John, so long as you're healthy -- bodily and mentally, you'll live "forever." You must stay active in both categories. Thus, model building can keep your mental juices energized and your body active.

I'm starting model building, a process I should have begun many decades ago. I saw no need for building my own when I could purchase structures at a reasonable price.

But the enjoyment, pleasure and finally the satisfaction is not the same when you build from scratch -- that goes for almost any venture or adventure.

Gary (Old Fogy)





For many people getting old is literally and physically the pits.



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Old Fogy
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Posted - 10/14/2006 :  12:50:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tabooma County Rwy

Gary, sounds like your enthusiasm is reaching the sky! Modelbuilding can certainly be rewarding.

I use Titebond or Titebond II when gluing wood to wood. It dries pretty quickly, really, a lot quicker than Elmer's white glue. And like John and Mike said, Aileen's Tacky Glue is great! I use it for a wide range of applications.

And I think if you are scratchbuilding, you will be really glad you bought a Chopper. I've worn out my old masonite based model and have the new model now. It's a great tool.

Oh, and as to the scale rule, I've got several kicking around, but I find myself using the six inch one the most. Also, I bought a dial caliper set several years ago that is graduated in HO measurements, and find it very useful.



Greetings, Al,

Yes, I'm enthusiastic and I hope the enthusiasm continues. It's healthy.

I've ordered the Chopper and am searching for a place that sells the HO scale ruler. I suspect that will be easy as well.

Almost every modeling material I now have came after I joined this forum. Because of the help and encouragement from members of this esteemed group, I've made the leap and am thrilled that I can challenge myself to be as much a craftsman as those who share their wealth here.

Fellows like yourself become the catalyst for fellows like myself who want to create things with their hands, yet find no source to booast them forward. The source sits right here on this forum.

Thanks for your feedback and encouragement.

Gary (Old Fogy)



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Hume Lumber Co
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Posted - 10/14/2006 :  1:25:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit Hume Lumber Co's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wow! I have learned a lot from reading this topic. You caused me to make my own wish list:
Wood Strip Cutter that Mark (mhdishere) brought up
Chopper for strip wood
90 degree punch… I have cut, and filed all my windows. This looks a lot easier
double sided tape
Laser cutting station (in my dreams!)
Home made casting molds… (another dream)

I consider myself a novice and try to avoid spending too much money. It just makes it more challenging. I like scratch building and really enjoy simple short list of tools that I build most everything with:
Number 11 Xcato
Supper glue with brush (I use toothpick for places that only need a little glue.)
Blacken-it
MRR forum
AutoCAD (free from http://www.a9tech.com/).
Small needle file
(yeah my whole list is less than $US 20)

I started less than a modeling two years ago. I think my experience would give a lot of don’t does this as a novice.

I started with the HOn30 Keystone Shay & NWSL Power Kit. (see http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10164)



I don’t think anyone would advise a novice to start with a non-powered white metal train kit that has an aftermarket powering kit. This took me 9 months to just get running. The bumpers hand to be scratch built to have connectors.

I wanted the train to have something to pull, so I designed my own logging disconnect:

I just used a drawing program in word… Here is what it looks like:


A year after I started I decided to build the large (50’x166’) logging mill. (see http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11962)

Using many photos of the mill I made a CAD drawing of the mill and cut it out an fit it together:

This is where I am at currently with it:

Everything including windows are scratch built. Now I realize this was a monster of a project for my first structure.

Finally recently I wised up and just made a little logging bunk house (10’x20’) done in scale lumber and even windows are scratch built:


I used the CAD tool to get all of my dimensions on the two structures. I never used a scale ruler.

It would have been better to sharpen my skills on smaller projects then move up. This is in part why I am yet to finish anything. I still want to experiment with weather and such before I finish the mill.

BUT my point of this long entry is most everything here is done with a Xacto and supper glue! All the other tools are helpful and save time, but if you want to you can do it the hard way.

Matthew



Edited by - Hume Lumber Co on 10/14/2006 1:41:50 PM

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Hume Lumber Co
Engine Wiper



Posted - 10/28/2006 :  02:36:50 AM  Show Profile  Visit Hume Lumber Co's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I was wondering if anyone has tried the Jim Jones Balsa Stripper:


http://www.mindspring.com/~thayer5/ffpages/tools/balsastrip/jonesstrip.html
I found an updated version:
http://www.timgoldstein.com/secure/Estore/Category.asp?Cguid=%7BE8CF7E82-6C13-4CF6-8780-65F8AA45E937%7D&Category=ModelSupplies%3ATools


And here is some more ideas for the stripper:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3859340/anchors_3864393/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#3864393

thanks,

Matthew



Edited by - Hume Lumber Co on 10/28/2006 02:48:16 AM

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DaveInTheHat
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Posted - 12/01/2006 :  08:25:49 AM  Show Profile  Visit DaveInTheHat's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I made a gizmo to make 50 gallon drums.




There's a short 'how to' on my Fotki page
http://public.fotki.com/DaveInTheHat/how-i-make-stuff/50-gallon-drum/


https://public.fotki.com/DaveInTheHat/

https://www.facebook.com/daveinthehat/

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dave1905
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Posted - 12/01/2006 :  09:30:02 AM  Show Profile  Visit dave1905's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have found that a dial caliper is tremendously helpful in scratchbuilding. Combine it with a pocket calculator and for less than $35 you can have an unbeatable combination.

An Optivisor is also very helpful.

I like to use sheets of wet-dry sandpaper (220, 400, 600 grit) for smoothing and straightening. I have scrap of particle board shelving I use as a work surface to sand on.

Dave H.


Dave Husman

Iron Men and wooden cars
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Sully
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Posted - 12/01/2006 :  2:35:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit Sully's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't think that guy is looking at the drum!.....tom


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