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DennisT
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Posted - 11/09/2004 :  01:57:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This question may be almost trivial. Initially I have been running into sales on Apple Barrel brand acrylic paints (2/.99). They have been mentioned here. Delta Creamcoat is mentioned almost constantly here. Am I buying an inferior paint?

And, .. should I be concerned about brands of chalk? I do recall seeing, "Rembrandt" mentioned. (the thought of working with chalk worries me)

I'm headed back to craft stores tomorrow with my wife so am planning ahead.

Thanks.
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Bbags
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Posted - 11/09/2004 :  07:22:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dennis,
There is no difference in quality between the different brands of craft paints that I know about.
Some are thicker than others and may require thinning.
I use blue windshield washer fluid which is a tip I learned here on the forum to thin the paints.

As for chalks there is nothing to be worried about.
I have used Rembrandt and other brands and they all work.
I do prefer Rembrandt.
The nice thing about chalk is that if you put it on dry and do not like it you can brush or wash it off and start again.
I use a mix of alcohol and chalk to make a slurry that I apply and the alcohol seems to hold the chalk in place.
If I do not like the results I use straight alcohol to remove the chalk.
Of all the things I have learned on this forum the use of chalk has been the most valuable to me.



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MikeC
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Posted - 11/09/2004 :  10:23:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit MikeC's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dennis, for most uses there is very little difference between Apple Barrel and Ceramcoat. I use both all the time. The main difference, I think, is that the pigments in Ceramcoat tend to be more finely ground than other brands and it's easier to airbrush as a result and get a smoother finish. (We had quite a discussion on this forum about 2 years ago about airbrushing craft paints. It was pretty much the consensus that Ceramcoat airbrushed better than the other brands.) But for brush painting, dry-brushing, etc., either brand works just fine.

I really like Rembrandt chalks and have been using them for several years. However, I also use Alpha-Color's "Earth Tone" set extensively. You can usually find it at art supply stores. The "Earth Tone" set has a full range of oranges and browns that work well for weathering.


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TomPM
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Posted - 11/09/2004 :  10:55:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit TomPM's Homepage  Send TomPM a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Dennis

I regularly airbrush with both Apple Barrel and Folk Art paints. Both brands are made by Plaid. I have no trouble with either. One difference I have noticed is Apple Barrel is thinner than Folk Art. Folk Art can at times have the consistency of wet toothpaste. What this means is I thin Apple Barrel less than Folk Art. I use Folk Art and Apple Barrel because in my area they are more available than the Creamcoat in the colors I need.


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angelanzus
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Posted - 08/06/2005 :  08:16:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tom, what is the ratio of thinner to paint when you use the Apple Barrel and Folk Art paints for air brushing.
Angela



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George D
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Posted - 08/06/2005 :  08:51:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To follow up on Angela's question, what do you guys use to thin Ceramcoat?
George



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Posted - 08/06/2005 :  3:42:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit Peterpools's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dennis
I use both Apple Barrel and Creamcoat. Both are excellent and will yield the same results.. The biggest difference.. The Apple Barrel bottles look so much better!



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MikeC
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Posted - 08/06/2005 :  6:16:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit MikeC's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Angela, Tom is usually involved with the kid's activities on weekends, so I'll give you a quickie answer for him. He will probably see this and correct me or fill in the details later. If I'm not mistaken, he uses a 2:1 ratio (paint:thinner), with blue windshield washer fluid being the thinner he prefers.

George, windshield washer works quite well as a thinner. I have also read about - but not tried - Windex as both a paint thinner and airbrush cleaner for acrylics. If you want to go the "straight" route with the Ceramcoat brand, they make both a thinner and a brush cleaner specifically for their paints. Obviously, it's a lot more expensive than buying a gallon of windshield cleaner, but it is formulated for the carrier and pigment grind of Ceramcoat. I recently used their thinner with Folk Art's Barnwood to make an excellent wood stain.



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TomPM
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Posted - 08/07/2005 :  12:11:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit TomPM's Homepage  Send TomPM a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
You got it right Mike! 2:1 Is the normal ratio I use.

I use the blue windshield washer fluid because I have found that it works. Also it is cheap. I went through a 2 quart jug last year and have finished off about half of one this year.

Mike I may give the Creamcoat thinner a try.


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George D
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Posted - 08/07/2005 :  09:33:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Mike and Tom. I like the price of the windshield washer option.

George




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angelanzus
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Posted - 08/07/2005 :  11:06:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you all for your advice and answers. I like to air brush but hate the cleanup afterwards and don't the enamels because of the odor. I don't have anywhere to airbrush anything except outside so have to do any of that stuff in the warmer months. I am very much a novice at airbrushing but like the look of it.
Angela



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Retro-Lounge
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Posted - 08/07/2005 :  11:38:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, I never heard thast before. I have a bunch of the Delta Ceramcoat and havent used it much. Is that only for airbrushing, or does it work to thin the ceramcoat for brushing?

Thanks

Paul

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Originally posted by Bbags

Dennis,
I use blue windshield washer fluid which is a tip I learned here on the forum to thin the paints.




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TomPM
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Posted - 08/07/2005 :  12:48:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit TomPM's Homepage  Send TomPM a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Paul

I use it for airbrushing and brush painting. I also use bwwf for making washes with a ratio from 4:1 to 6:1.


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MikeC
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Posted - 08/07/2005 :  12:52:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit MikeC's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Paul, I also use it for both airbrushing and brush painting. Another good use for the WSW fluid is to make stains from acrylic paints, which can then be used to represent faded paint on wood structures or for additional weathering.

About 3 years ago, Tom and I had one of the original discussions (on RR-L, anyway) about the use of WSW fluid and airbrushes. It was a pretty extensive dialog, as I recall. I don't remember now exactly where the thread is, but it's most likely on one the "back pages" of the HO "Mid-Scale" forum. It might be worth your time to look it up, if you're interested in the subject.



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