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ETinBH
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 Posted - 08/03/2004 : 3:54:31 PM
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I have the honor to be the one to open the thread for Rusty Stumps Fall Creek Backwoods Water Tower. I just finished reading the tome lightly referred to as the Assembly Manual. It read more like the beginning primer for scratch builders. There is not a single aspect of the construction that is not dissected, and, in so doing, fully explained. He has even put in lunch breaks and reminders to have fun. Everything you ever wanted to know about building his kit. The only was to describe the Water Tower kit is the consummate kit from the consummate modeler.
So, what do you get besides the instructions? The kit comes with four baggies filled with selected wood pieces, some metal castings, a very few Styrene pieces and various laser-cut shapes. Everything is very well documented on the front of each bag. Further, there are two sheets of plans showing various aspects of the model and even a diagram of how to plant the rascal.
I already ran out and bought the additional Delta colors recommended in the instructions and they make a handy addition to my collection of colors.
Lastly, since I am a modeler that is inclined to humanize my kits (read vandalize), and veer of the beaten course when it comes to instructions, I think the way this kit is laid-out will cause me to stay in-bounds for much of the construction. I may be allowed some leeway later in the building sequences.
Just one last thing-thank you Walt, for showing everyone just how a kit should be done!
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Edited by - ETinBH on 08/05/2004 08:39:32 AM
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Rusty Stumps
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Posted - 08/03/2004 : 4:00:00 PM
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Elliott, thanks for your praise, I'm not sure I deserve it though. I've added a special page at the Rusty Stumps website that explains a better way to wrap the tank. This method should eliminate the chances of the siding splitting durning that process. www.rustystumps.com/wrapping_the_tank.htm
Also, Mike has recommended that either Aleene's Aliphatic Wood Glue or Elmer's Exterior Wood Glue be use to glue the siding to the paper wrapper. As both of these are suppose to be waterproof it would eliminate the chances siding seperating from the paper wrapper if someone over moisturizes during the process.
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teejay
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Posted - 08/03/2004 : 4:12:47 PM
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No time to talk on the Forum , Rusty , back in the dungeon and cut that O Scale Lumber . 
Elliott could you hold that kit a little closer to the screen so I can get a close up view ...I'll be careful not to drool over it .
TERRY
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ETinBH
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Posted - 08/03/2004 : 4:16:38 PM
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removed the addendum on wrapping as it is best to go the the web site for updates-requested by Walt. See his posts for hotlink.
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Edited by - ETinBH on 08/05/2004 08:35:26 AM |
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ETinBH
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Posted - 08/03/2004 : 4:40:09 PM
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Just bought some Titebond III. It claims to be the "ultimate" wood glue. Waterproof, superior strength, outperforms all other wood glues and has a longer open assembly time.
I'm from Missouri (not) - we'll see. I will try it on the addendum.
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ETinBH
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 3:56:34 PM
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All I can say is,"Let it dry, let it dry, let it dry!"
Wow - just finished the little tank wrapping exercise and I have to tell you it was a BEAR 
Here is the result and I am ashamed. Maybe Walt will show pitty and sell me another baggie #1. LOL
I did also want to point out that there are several containers which will work for the bending. Here is a sample. The plain one held straw mushrooms once upon a time.
Lastly, we have a chad problem. As a modeler I always have difficulty throwing things away. While cleaning up the laddders I accumulated a bunch of chads and they look useful. So, what do you think I can use them for? People from Fla. may have a particularly good use for them!
Now I know why Walt detailed the instructions so completely. Follow Them
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teejay
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 5:09:00 PM
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Elliott , sorry , I had to ask . I mean we all make mistakes . Did you measure or cut something wrong ? Hopefully you can turn that away from view ( gee I've NEVER done that before ) or, um , plant a tree in front of it ? Chimney ? Pizzeria ?
The rest of it looks good , bands nicely spaced .
TERRY
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Rusty Stumps
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 6:12:57 PM
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Elliott, sorry you had problems with the tank wrapping. I did state a 3 to 3-1/2" cylinder. Anything smaller will cause snaps in the siding when you rap it. That smaller mushroom can is too small a diameter as it's almost the same size as the tank filler. The larger one is possibly too large as you need to get the siding curved close but not as tight as it will be finally.
A pop can is the ideal diameter to use to "set" the curve of the siding before wrapping the tank. The waiting periods are important, DON'T rush it. The siding needs to dry around the can in order to take that form.
Also, when you trimmed the siding you should have had a piece left over about 1/2" wide. This could have been cut in to repair the damage that was incured by slitting the siding on the tank at a scribe line and also on the extra piece. This would have been done before puting the strapping on. As all the siding was stained at the same time this should match in pretty good.
The sample piece I did for the new addendum came out much better than the two prototypes. This will work if the directions are followed as written.
This is a craftsman kit and as such it takes time. I estimate a week of evenings to finish the kit.
As to a new Bag #1, $10 plus $3 s/h will cover that.
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teejay
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 6:28:28 PM
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Do it , Elliott , good deal .I'll buy the old one off you ( the wrap ) for the shipping and practice on it while I'm waiting for my O Scale water tower .Seriously , if you want .
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ETinBH
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 6:43:35 PM
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OK, guys. Walt is telling it how it is. I learned the hard way and am truly humbled. His kit is well-thought-out and anyone who thinks he can second-guess the instructions even a little bit is in for a rude awakening.
The split occured in two places after I had done the thing with the coke can. The siding was holding its shape and I glued it to the spool thingie and rubberbanded it. Came back in a while and these two splits had appeared. You are right, Walt, a quick thinker would have seen the solution in using a piece of the trimming. I, however, was too cleaver for that and discarded the little bugger in the trash(along with the last evening's meal) and it was too far gone at that point. I think the split will remain on my model as a reminder to me of my arrogance. I hope my stupidity will lesson the chances this will happen to someone else.
With regard to the cans, you are correct in that the mushroom can is too small and will cause irreversable damage to the part. My mistake, again. Sorry
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Rusty Stumps
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 6:50:10 PM
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Elliot, I'll go you one better. For the same price I'll send you the tank already wrapped! The one that I did for the new addendum. It isn't stained or painted but I'll include new straps. Let me know.
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Climax1880
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 8:36:37 PM
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Hey Walt. Man, I'm glad I tuned into this thread. Wanted to tell you that I got my BWWT this afternoon and am reading the instructions three or four times before I do anything. I'm also printing out portions of this thread for future reference.
Thanks again.
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Rusty Stumps
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 9:27:33 PM
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Elliott, I read over your last post again. I have no explination as to why the siding split "after" it was glued to the Tank Filler. As there should have been bond to both the paper wrapper and the tank filler I have no answer. I have not had this problem and I've wrapped four of them. I did have snapping of the siding if I tried to wrap the tank filler directly (not first forming it to the Coke can) and I mentioned this in the original instructions. When using the method of forming it to the Coke can it worked great.
JR: thanks for the comment. Take your time wrapping the siding on the Coke can and make sure you go through the steps of wetting it and letting it dry. Just don't over wet it. It should conform to the can fairly well when the rubber bands are removed. If not, put them back on and re-wet and let dry again. When gluing the siding to the tank filler don't unwrap it too far just enought to get a toothpick under it to place the glue between the paper wrapper and the tank filler. Taking your time with it is the key, don't rush it.
Terry: there won't be any problems wrapping the O scale tank as the diameter is twice that of the HO tank.
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teejay
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 9:42:23 PM
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I'm not worried in the least , Walt . I think I'll be OK if I follow instructions but sometimes things happen as Elliott has found out .
I built the Campbell's water tower about 10 years ago and I don't think it's half the kit that your's appears to be . It was touch and go with wrapping and bands back then , so I understand the issues here .
I'm hoping Elliott takes you up on your new deal ...it's a good one .When the tower is done , it will be a showpiece .
TERRY
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Rusty Stumps
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 10:12:48 PM
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Well Terry we all make mistakes and I have one also. The pictures in the new method of wrapping the tank have a error, the siding is upside down. SORRY! In my haste to prove this method would work and get the changes out there I didn't pay attention to the fact that the grooves that are close together go at the BOTTOM of the Tank, not the top.
I am in the process of doing a 5th tank wrapping to get these photos correct and I will be posting them to the website page sometime tomorrow. Sorry fellas, it happens.
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Rusty Stumps
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Posted - 08/04/2004 : 10:53:07 PM
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NOTE: The new and correct photos are shown on the web page for the new tank wrapping method at: www.rustystumps.com/wrapping_the_tank.htm
The method works as this is the second one I've used it on and I had no problems.
Sorry for the screwed up photos!
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