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 Posted - 01/22/2004 : 9:22:24 PM
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Hi all
Well it is not as yet a construction thread as I am not sure who might be interested in doing this project.
I received my kit today and since this will be my first Bar Mills kit I would like to give my impressions.
I know Leon Durham who supplied the concept design for this kit said he was getting one and would be willing to share ideas and techniques with anyone else who would be interested.
I will not be able to start construction on the kit before next week as I have to finish a couple of other projects before I can begin construction.
My overview:
The first part of the kit that caught my eye was this card with pictures of the kit.
On the lower right hand corner of the card it states that the Concept was by Leon Durham, Diorama by Jim Mooney, and Graphics by Frank Bernard.
They are all very familiar names of members of this forum which is really cool.
Next inside the plastic box there are 18 pieces wood each containing laser cut pieces to the structures which look to be very well done.
The clothes pins on the left of the photo are the small ones I got at a craft store which measure 1 3/4" in length which will give you an idea on the sizes of the different parts.
There is also a bag containing a large number of metal castings.
There are both peal and stick rolled roofing and shingles.
There is also a full package of windows and fire escapes done in plastic.
There is sheet of laser cut acetate for the windows.
There are decals and signs galore for the different businesses.
The instructions contain 8 pages of written instructions for the completion of the kit.
There are also 4 pages of Super detailing tips and supplemental instructions.
There are 6 pages of instructions with pictures showing the correct position for each of the parts.
Last but not least there are 2 pages of what each part on the laser cut sheets is by number.
The instructions with the supplemental tips and the construction photos look to be very well done.
Well if anyone else is interested in starting this kit this is the thread that we will use for posting results, questions and tips that you may have.
It does look like this will be a fun kit to build.
P.S. I bought mine with the Daily Moose special deal and received some very nice extra detail parts.
Made the deal even sweeter.
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Jim Mooney
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Posted - 01/25/2004 : 8:42:04 PM
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Geez, you got your before I got mine! Got mine at Timonium this weekend. One nice feature he included this time is frosted windows for the main large windows in the kit. No need to dullcoat them. I usually find something to pick on whenever he comes out with a kit, but I gotta say this time I was hard pressed. Me and Frank pestered him with all sorts of stuff and he did 99% of it! Way cool! If anything was forgotten I couldn't find it. BTW... the two building can be postioned any way you want, the sidewalk comes in three seperate sections.
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Bbags
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 08:37:58 AM
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Hi all
Well I have read and reread the instructions and the tip sheet by Jim and now am ready to begin construction.
I have to make a few small changes in the construction of this kit as I model a small town in rural Alaska in 1986.
Thus the town would have lucky to have the main street paved but definitely would not have sidewalks.
I am also planning to use Apple Barrel Liberty Blue as the color for the IGA store.
I have built an AMB kit which uses the peel and stick and tab and slot method of construction which should help me in building this kit.
Well hopefully more later today.
Again Jim please post pictures as you progress on your kit and any one else who has the kit your input would be appreciated.
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 8:07:12 PM
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Hi again
I spent part of today doing some of the prep work on the different parts of the kit.
On the IGA Store part number 5 which has the battens over the door was a small problem for me.
When placing it on the base somehow I moved it and some of the battens separated from the top of the door frame.
Also one somehow just seemed to disappear into the black hole that threatens all modelers.
I reglued the battens and made a new one to replace the one that I lost.
These battens are small and fragile so be careful.
I also have assembled the doors.
I have also painted the base coat using Floquil Grime.
I also started on the Barber Shop.
I found 2 very small errors in the instructions.
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1)On page 6 in the next to the last paragraph it says to "Likewise, remove part 65 (same sheet), and apply it over part 65."
It should be applied over part 64 as it would be hard to apply it over itself.
2) On page 12 of the diagrams part 67 is not shown in conjunction with part 66 and 68.
Part 67 goes over part 66.
Since the instructions contain both written and diagrams for each step these are minor errors since if you follow the diagram one of the omissions is shown and for the missing part in the diagram the written instructions are very clear.
So I am not nitpicking just making people aware of them.
I have also applied the primer to the Barber Shop.
I have decided to go with white walls and green trim for this structure.
Hopefully more tomorrow.
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Jim Mooney
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Posted - 01/26/2004 : 8:16:29 PM
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Nope, that's cool, I'll pass them up to Art and he'll fix them on the next run, thanks!
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 09:44:48 AM
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I sent those boo's boo's to Art here's his reply, thanks again....
John & gang, as this is a brand new kit, we've yet to
get feedback on the insructions other than from Scott
Mason, who apparently overlooked the small
discrepencies that John has picked-up on. There will
probably be others, as many of you know, there are
alot of components (and places to make errors) in both
the physical part of the kit and the instructions. As
of this point we are sold-out of the first run of
"Booty", but upon packaging the next bunch of kits
will make note of the two (albeit) minor discrepencies
in the instructions, while we hate to think that WE
could make a mistake (yeah, right), it will
undoubtedly happen (the next two kits will be
simpler... gonna give ourselves a break)... so thanks
to John the next kits (instructions) will have some
tweaking done to them.
Art Fahie
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Bbags
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Posted - 01/27/2004 : 11:59:23 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Jim Mooney
I sent those boo's boo's to Art here's his reply, thanks again....
John & gang, as this is a brand new kit, we've yet to
get feedback on the insructions other than from Scott
Mason, who apparently overlooked the small
discrepencies that John has picked-up on. There will
probably be others, as many of you know, there are
alot of components (and places to make errors) in both
the physical part of the kit and the instructions. As
of this point we are sold-out of the first run of
"Booty", but upon packaging the next bunch of kits
will make note of the two (albeit) minor discrepencies
in the instructions, while we hate to think that WE
could make a mistake (yeah, right), it will
undoubtedly happen (the next two kits will be
simpler... gonna give ourselves a break)... so thanks
to John the next kits (instructions) will have some
tweaking done to them.
Art Fahie
BMSM
Hi Jim and Art
I have been assembling the doors and laser cut windows and so far aside from the two very small corrections the instructions are excellent.
The combination of the written word combined with the assembly photos are great.
I am someone who does read instructions and like them to be reflective of the quality of the kit.
For example I think that the isometric drawings in the old Campbell kits are outstanding even though the kits themselves are outdated.
I may be in the minority in this but I do like best the spiral book form that Brett (Sierra West) uses in his kits and would be willing to pay extra to have this type of instructions included in kits from all manufacturers.
I am also impressed with the incredible amount of detail that is found in your laser cut doors and windows.
The freight door which is assembled from 3 laser cut pieces has detail so fine that it would be impossible to make this without laser cutting the parts.
I can see that I have to straighten one of the battens that I broke off.
While I can understand that you would like to take a break with smaller kits, I hope that there are more kits like "Booty Corner" on the drawing board.
This is my first Bar Mills Kit and it will not be my last.
Well I need to get a primer coat on the windows and doors.
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Posted - 01/28/2004 : 10:15:52 PM
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Hi all
Just a quick update as today was a workday for me so that I can have money to sustain this hobby of mine.
I have completed all the subassemblies (windows, doors, etc.) and I am now working on finishing the Barber Shop and News Stand.
The time consuming part now is painting and weathering everything.
I hope tomorrow to be able to assemble the Barber shop with Outhouse.
I will say that laser cut pieces with tab and slot construction does make everything much easier.
So far all of the small pieces fit together like they should and they will form an interesting looking structure.
Hopefully pictures tomorrow at 11.
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Posted - 01/29/2004 : 3:48:14 PM
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Thanks for the compliments and pics, I'll pass them on to Art. The reason he won't do a spiral book is it takes up too much room. For Booty he had to buy bigger already, he likes to keep them as compact as possible. Can't wait to see more pics!
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Posted - 01/29/2004 : 4:32:46 PM
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I just received my O'Scale versions of Saulenas and the Idaho Hotel and am totally in love with Bar Mills and the way they produce kits. I am going to put in a standing order with Valley Model Trains to ship me Booty Corner the minute the O'Scale version is ready. I have always been envious of the HO guys since their choice of structure kits appears to be endless. Finally there are some for us O'gauge guys too and Bar Mills is setting the standard.
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Posted - 01/29/2004 : 10:55:17 PM
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Hi again
Well I did not get as much done as I had hoped but since it is almost 11 here are a couple of pictures.
This is Busters Barber Shop which is a small stand alone structure from Booty Corner.
This model is only 1 1/2" across the front, 3 1/4" deep including the outhouse and 2 3/4" high.
You are working with some very small parts and I am happy to report that everything went together like a Swiss watch.
I did add some bracing to the interior walls and even to the walls of the outhouse since I was afraid they might warp when different washes were applied.
Also I assembled the 3 front window pieces at the same time and used the ceiling to make sure everything was square.
The colors I chose were Americana White Wash over CN Gray and then Jim's old sock method for the final white paint for the walls.
There was an India Ink wash in between.
The trim is Floquil Reading Green.
First is the front view.
The front landing is not glued down as there is a barber pole that must be attached here that goes from the steps to the bottom of the false front.
The rear of the building with the outhouse.
There will be a news stand on the side with no window.
The roof is just sitting there as I will probably use a metal roof which is most typical of roofs in Alaska.
I have some final weathering to do with chalks and the building needs signs.
Hopefully more pictures tomorrow at 11.
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 07:57:20 AM
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Very nice work John. Thanks for the update.
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 12:06:52 PM
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nice job, glad it's going well!
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inspecbri
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 1:18:55 PM
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John!! slow down, I don't need a haircut for at least two more weeks!! Mr. John, whats goin on?
I think you build them faster than they can be manufactured!! Your moving so fast that the paint is peeling off! Lookin good!! I bet that you could build the SW Saw mill in about a week.
Keep up the fine work!! John, are you snowed in?
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paulbrockatsf
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Posted - 01/30/2004 : 1:40:33 PM
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John,
I like the peeling & weathered wood on your barbershop. The color looks good too.
Brian is right. Someone has "lit a fire under you".  You’re turning into a fast model.  Seriously, it is good to see these great kits being built. Keep up the good work!
Paul
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