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psteinmetz
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Posted - 08/17/2020 :  12:13:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit psteinmetz's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sad to see this Dead Rail forum die.

There is a lot of Dead Rail activity on Facebook.

The Dead Rail Society.

Not an endorsement of FB. Just stating a fact.

Pete Steinmetz
Pete Steinmetz
Dead Rail Society
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Tyson Rayles
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Posted - 08/17/2020 :  08:22:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Most of the people here tend to be more into model building than actually running the trains.
Maybe your post will stir up some interest again.



Edited by - Tyson Rayles on 08/17/2020 08:24:11 AM

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Bernd
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Posted - 08/17/2020 :  09:31:36 AM  Show Profile  Visit Bernd's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by psteinmetz

Sad to see this Dead Rail forum die.

There is a lot of Dead Rail activity on Facebook.

The Dead Rail Society.

Not an endorsement of FB. Just stating a fact.



Hi Pete,

I was getting into the R/C portion of this trend, but gave it up. Back when I was on the Freerails Forum I got to know David from Deltang. I believe he was just starting up with his R/C business for trains. I started using the Deltang receivers and have several engines with them installed. Then along came DanT (I believe his last name was Tission?). I got very wrapped up in the R/C and Dan got me interested in battery power, plus wireless charging. I traded post with both here and on Freerails. He was way advanced and was quite committed to R/C plus battery power and I believe he was working on sound modules also. Dan sort of disappeared. I tried tracking him down through some of the people he had worked with to find out what happened. From what I gather he is no longer with us. As a matter of fact he wanted to meet me in person at the Springfield show two years ago but I never made it. So, I've decided that I was going to put all the R/C, battery power and wireless charging on the back burner. As with any new type of control much time must be spent on research. I decided I'd rather build a layout and models then pursue the electrical side of the hobby. Also I'm a little leery of a total investment using Deltang receivers. I do like them better than anything else on the market. I also don't care for DCC and noise makers. I'd like to look into producing own R/C equipment based on the Deltang, but haven't figured out how to go about at present.

If a company would produce a version of the Deltang in the US I'd be more inclined to pursue battery power, wireless charging and R/C. For now I'm busy working on building a railroad and model buildings.

Bernd


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Graffen
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Posted - 08/18/2020 :  03:33:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit Graffen's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As mentioned above, most people here are currently in summer mode and the amount of time over for the hobby is most likely spent building models rather than writing on the forum...
But here's a question regarding dead rail:
Is there anyone that makes a system with all integrated components that's controlled by WiFi using a phone as a throttle?
I've been reading about the various components needed, and a WiFi board is dirt cheap.
Then there wouldn't be an issue with compatability with different mfg's components if all were going WiFi.
Sure, to avoid inventing the wheel all over, sound and lights could be supplied with a simple DCC decoder interface.
I've seen some mfg's almost making the mark, but they're all falling before the finishing line.
What do you think?


Michael Graff
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tloc
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Posted - 08/18/2020 :  09:17:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Where did dead rail go? I sold everything I had. Was using RailPro for control and a dummy to hold the batteries and it worked great. 2 things happened, I heard the great sound of ESU products which IMO RailPro could not touch. Second, Joe Fugate of MRH at Trainfest handed me the ProtoThrottle on a Sunday morning and showed me how to use it. I became one of the 1st 100 throttles pre ordered. I have not looked back as Tim at RailPro did not want to work with the guys at ISE to enable the PT to be used with RailPro.

I am a member of the FB group and will continue to follow it. TomO



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Philip
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Posted - 08/18/2020 :  12:58:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit Philip's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The last train show I went to a couple years ago in Indiana had a group of deadrailers. Interesting models/builders and a grand presentation. I'm stuck with electric but appreciate the leap forward. This one particular On30 Porter had a docking station to recharge like the Roomba. The engineer had to physically dock it.

great stuff!

Philip Smith



Edited by - Philip on 08/18/2020 1:00:11 PM

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BigLars
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Posted - 08/18/2020 :  9:54:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I tried it but there is no way I could cram the batteries and added electronics in the very small critters I do. Opted for small keep a lives added to the decoders. I do see progress on FB. If I ever do an out door layout Dead rail will my choice.


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Tyson Rayles
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Posted - 08/19/2020 :  08:40:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with Larry, dead rail is the only way to go outside.


Edited by - Tyson Rayles on 08/19/2020 08:44:02 AM

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Jerry Kemp
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Posted - 09/04/2020 :  6:00:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tyson Rayles

Most of the people here tend to be more into model building than actually running the trains.
Maybe your post will stir up some interest again.



On30 dead rail person here, but I think that Tyson might be correct regarding the focus of forum members here.



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shadow50
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Posted - 10/10/2020 :  1:24:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dead Railer here also.

Unfortunately it looks like the whole large scale
forums has gotten a little thin.

I was speaking to one of my good friends regarding this and it appears that many folks have started to seek out their common interests with others on Facebook.

Perhaps that is a good form of support for the special interests but i just don't seem to care that much for Facebook.




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Bernd
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Posted - 10/10/2020 :  4:15:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit Bernd's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shadow50

Dead Railer here also.

Unfortunately it looks like the whole large scale
forums has gotten a little thin.

I was speaking to one of my good friends regarding this and it appears that many folks have started to seek out their common interests with others on Facebook.

Perhaps that is a good form of support for the special interests but i just don't seem to care that much for Facebook.





I'm on Facebook and follow several railroad groups. I don't see any advantage to Facebook. It's hard to follow any kind of build. If there is a way to follow somebody doing a project over a period of time I don't know about it. I think there is only one reason many modelers use Facebook and that's posting photo's. All you need to be is an appliance operator, plus it's free.

Bernd


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BreizhSteamer
Engine Wiper



Posted - 12/16/2020 :  03:30:42 AM  Show Profile  Visit BreizhSteamer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not dead - yet! ;)
I'm all into dead railing since 2017 and still going small, but strong.
Check my website for all model-railroad related stuff: https://zamit.eu/en/category/english/model-railway/
A short introduction is located here: https://zamit.eu/en/model-railway/

Unfortunately, I often have to abandon my hobbies for months at a time, but eventually I'm always back on the train - so to speak.

As a matter of fact, I've convinced a very good friend of mine, and his father to switch to dead rail this year.

I'll make sure to post here as soon as I'm getting back at my small, trusted loco.

Best regards from Germany,

Frédéric



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Michael Hohn
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Posted - 12/16/2020 :  08:49:40 AM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Frédéric,

Excellent modeling. I like all the detail on your flat cars. And I enjoyed reading about shunting with a chain.

Mike



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BreizhSteamer
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Posted - 12/16/2020 :  3:21:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit BreizhSteamer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Mike,

shunting really is one great delight with a battery-powered loco. You can inch in absolutely smoothly, as long as the loco's gear allows for it.

Frédéric



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JimF
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Posted - 01/30/2021 :  06:47:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another thought regarding the dead rail topic being slow, especially on forums geared a bit more to craftsman modeling and such.

I think there are 2 basic types who get interested in RC. One type are the folks who are interested in the high tech side, who get into various control systems, are interested in Blue Tooth control, computer control, want sound and all the bells and whistles. For them, RC turns out to be maybe too primitive in it's basic form, and current state. So interest is lost, and the concentrate more on the other aspects of train control.

The other type, I 'think', are like me. No use or interest in remote control, either via my phone or computer, no interest in messing with CV's and other aspects of DCC. No interest in sound, until the day I can have not only loco sounds, but all the ambient sounds of real life as well. A loco chuffing through a silent scene just does nothing for me.

And finally, I HATE track wiring LOL. So the fact that RC eliminates that is a super big plus for me. I know there are others like me, but tend to find more of them on UK model rail forums, for some reasons.

I do hope no one takes the 1st part of this tome as criticism, it was in no way meant to be.

Jim F



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BreizhSteamer
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Posted - 01/30/2021 :  09:26:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit BreizhSteamer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jim,

I believe you're right that many model enthusiasts have high standards regarding functionality and/or technical details, such as loco and ambient sound effects, steam effects, etc.
So I'll second that many who get a glimpse at battery-powered R/C are maybe somewhat disappointed.

However I believe there's another factor at work: there's virtually no rolling stock available with standardized R/C off the shelves. You almost always have to convert the locos yourself or pay for someone to do so. Combined with the incompatibility of existing DCC oriented soundcards, you have a lot of extra effort and in dome cases loss of features.

Finally I know no good standardized R/C system except Deltang and even that will give you a steep learning curve.

So I find it unsurprising that dead rail only appeals to a niche. It's strongest in the garddn railway environment, where BPRC not only has advantages in maintenance, but also in cost considering the financial investment and upkeep my father has to spend on his rail-powered garddn layout. Not to mention track-cleaning...

That all being said, I'm termjnally hooked to dead rail. I love to tinker and for me the advantages outweigh the shortcomings by far.

Bedt regards,

Frédéric



Edited by - BreizhSteamer on 01/30/2021 09:29:25 AM

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