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Ambitious Project
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Posted - 04/06/2018 :  4:59:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey guy's kinda new in here and I did not wish to begin a thread just to find more info on a specific item I am looking for but it's not so easy to find. So I have been looking around for a forum with good model makers in the ranks and this one certainly fits the bill and figured this might be the place to ask.
I am looking for a set of drawings and plans for the Sheepscot "Cats Head Pier" Kit. I found a wonderful thread in here with some great building progress photographs from a Richard Baron who built one of these a few years ago in O scale.. I have tried to contact him through the message options available but no luck yet. Do any of you know Richard or how to contact him and/or do any of you modelers have a set of these plans you'd be willing to make a copy of for me and let me pay you to send them along? I hope it's OK to ask about that in here I don't want to violate any rules about making deals...? We know anyone who has this kit obviously has a set of them but I would think most all of us keep the better drawings in a file for reference after we build a kit also. Thanks in advance Randy

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darrylhuffman
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Posted - 04/06/2018 :  5:33:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit darrylhuffman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Randy,

All plans are copyrighted and making copies of them, even if done for free, is a violation of copyright law.

However, you can legally buy the original plans.

Just not copies.

Hopefully someone has a set they can sell you.

You can also ask on the finescaleminiatures Yahoo group.

Lots of builders of craftsman kits there.


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quartergauger48
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Posted - 04/06/2018 :  7:32:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is worth reading

Photocopying and Copyright Law] The Copyright Act at 17 U.S.C. § 108


The Copyright Act gives the owner of copyrighted material the right to control its duplication and distribution and prohibits photocopying unless the copying falls within one of the limited exceptions provided for in the Act. For most businesses and individuals, the fair-use doctrine is the only exception that will allow them to photocopy copyrighted materials without the owner's permission.


Fair Use

In deciding whether copying without permission is legal under the fair-use doctrine, courts look at four factors. First, if the purpose and the character of the copying relate to endeavors such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research, fair use is more likely to be found. Second, the nature of the material to be copied is significant. For example, material meant to be consumed when used, such as workbooks or test answer forms, is less likely to fall under fair-use copying than a page from a newspaper or magazine article. The third factor is the amount and substantiality of the portion of the work that is copied. The sheer volume of copying is not the only consideration, as a single page from a newsletter can be as "substantial" as a whole chapter from a large book. In general, the more importance the copied portion has to the content of the whole document the less likely it is that fair use applies.

The final, and often decisive, factor is the effect of the photocopying on the potential value of the copyrighted work. This relates in part to a dollars and cents consideration of whether the market for the material is adversely affected.

For example, copying and distributing a publication to employees in a company to save the cost of multiple subscriptions may seem harmless, but each saved subscription deprives the copyright owner of income as surely as selling photocopies of the publication on a street corner. The unauthorized use of material can also damage its value in a manner that is harder to quantify, such as copying portions of a book without attribution, which deprives the copyright owner of the credit and publicity he or she otherwise would receive.


Damages

The Copyright Act allows a copyright owner to sue for actual damages caused by an infringement and for any profits that are attributable to the infringement. Since it can be difficult to calculate actual damages, Congress provided an alternative--the recovery of statutory damages in an amount determined by a court within a range set forth in the Act. Because the statutory damages are imposed for each work infringed, substantial damages awards are possible. The owner also can recover for the costs of bringing suit and for attorney's fees.

It may be too much to expect that a person poised at the copying machine will run through the four-part, fair-use test before pushing the "copy" button. If the material to be copied has the copyright symbol on it, however, would-be copiers should at least consider whether they would object to the photocopying if they had written or drawn the material. If the answer is "yes," the copying is almost certain to be a copyright infringement. Even if the answer is "no," the person could still be committing copyright infringement.










Ted

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wanderingsailor
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Posted - 04/06/2018 :  9:09:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since it seemed relevant...
The kit you're inquiring about is available: http://www.crowriverproducts.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_24&products_id=53 though I believe the clamshell part is a separate item, also available on that site.



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Michael Hohn
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Posted - 04/06/2018 :  10:23:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Another thread showing “Cats Head Pier” being built: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20192

Mike


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TC
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Posted - 04/13/2018 :  9:54:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I seem to recall that Jimmy Deignan might have purchased Sheepscot kit rights from George Barrett a while back... maybe you could try with him. Just a thought...


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Ambitious Project
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Posted - 04/16/2018 :  3:09:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wanderingsailor

Since it seemed relevant...
The kit you're inquiring about is available: http://www.crowriverproducts.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_24&products_id=53 though I believe the clamshell part is a separate item, also available on that site.



Interesting, not sure what kit that is but it is certainly nowhere near the complexity and overall design of the Sheepscot model. The top unit does look the same though. I really would just hope I can find a modeler who has these plans so I can purchase a good copy... Thanks for the info just the same.



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Ambitious Project
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Posted - 04/16/2018 :  3:19:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by darrylhuffman

Randy,

All plans are copyrighted and making copies of them, even if done for free, is a violation of copyright law.

However, you can legally buy the original plans.

Just not copies.

Well I am an author and text can be copied and so can photographed and distributed and used for many reasons legally.... When it crosses into illegality the only recourse for an author is to pay a lawyer to assess the #1 "Damages" If any? and assess the cost of litigation... In my case. there would be "NO DAMAGES" I am not going to publicise the drawings nor will I gain any monetary profits or receive any benefit in anyway other than my own use. So no court will ever hear any legal brief concerning the copy and sale from one model maker to another for a set of prints to build a model.
So thanks for all the information... I think the group can relax bit and let's just enjoy the hobby. No One is coming in helicopters to take our models because they were built from copies of a plan a friend sent us.

Hopefully someone has a set they can sell you.

You can also ask on the finescaleminiatures Yahoo group.

Lots of builders of craftsman kits there.




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Ambitious Project
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Posted - 04/16/2018 :  3:22:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TC

I seem to recall that Jimmy Deignan might have purchased Sheepscot kit rights from George Barrett a while back... maybe you could try with him. Just a thought...



Yes Sir this is correct. I spoke with George (nice guy) and he told me he sold Jimmy everything including extra parts and plans and everything he had. In hindsight he said he wished he kept a few of the plans and he said if he had any he'd be glad to send me along a set. I have not heard back from Jimmy. I hope he will help me out. We will see.



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quartergauger48
Fireman

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Posted - 04/16/2018 :  11:09:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
AP, have you inquired on MRH, and Fine Scale Modelers forums'? Numerous high complexity model kit builders on those sites'..



Ted

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Karl Osolinski
Fireman



Posted - 04/17/2018 :  10:50:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I don't know if you still need this, but I was going through some old stuff I have and found this 40 page instruction book of Cat's Head Pier. I don't have a clue why I've got this but if you're still looking for it and wanna' send me your address I'll mail it off to you. It's got a date on it of 5/4/95.

Karl O.
Berkley, MI




Edited by - Karl Osolinski on 04/17/2018 10:52:11 AM

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Ambitious Project
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Posted - 04/17/2018 :  4:12:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


Outstanding...! Yes sir. I sent you an email through the sites info.. Hope it is correct. Thanks Karl. Randy

I will probably still need to the 2 page Template Sheet for scratch building ...?? Just have no idea on this end what is there? but I would think this has a list of lumber... perhaps there is enough info on here to be able to scale this out....



Edited by - Ambitious Project on 04/17/2018 5:53:42 PM

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Karl Osolinski
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Posted - 04/17/2018 :  6:28:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ambitious Project



Outstanding...! Yes sir. I sent you an email through the sites info.. Hope it is correct. Thanks Karl. Randy

I will probably still need to the 2 page Template Sheet for scratch building ...?? Just have no idea on this end what is there? but I would think this has a list of lumber... perhaps there is enough info on here to be able to scale this out....



Randy,

Sorry, all I have is this book. The lumber is listed in the right column on the cover of the book I've shown in my first post to you. The book looks to have more than enough detail to build this model.

Karl O.
Berkley, MI



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