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David Clark
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Posted - 10/15/2017 :  6:35:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Carl,
My wife keeps "bugging" me to do a Christmas train. Based on your timeline, I can show her that I still have another 33 years before I need to produce.......
I will definitely live vicariously through your build, however!
Cheers,
Dave
PS: Bob That scene looks amazing!



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Carl B
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Posted - 10/15/2017 :  7:39:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit Carl B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for joining in Michael, Kevin, Louis, Bob, Frank, Dave, Greg, Skeeterbait, Bill, Cowboy, Rich, Ted, Jeff, Ed and David.

I'll try to post twice a week- probably Sundays & Wednesday. I've got some challenges here that will require my thinking cap. And working with someone else on a project is a new one for me too!

And....

Michael- I have purchased a few more buildings than I need. Darlene can't tell if she likes them or not until their nearly finished. (Hence the budget buster).

Louis- This MUST be finished by early December- or else!

Bob- Thanks for the pix of your rendition. Wonderful work as usual! Really like that tight, small and busy feel you've expertly captured!

Dave- Snow was considered but eliminated as a scenic element- due to it's obliteration of most colors but white!

Skeeterbait- I'll be shopping for a larger wall wart- probably 1.2 amps at 9 or 12 volts.

Ed- Tampa experienced a trace of snow on Jan. 19, 1977. If you are able, please order another hit. It helps with the Christmas spirit.

David- Build your wife that Christmas train. Don't wait as long as I have, trust me on this one....



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TRAINS1941
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Posted - 10/15/2017 :  9:00:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Carl really looking forward to this fine project of yours.

I'm sure Darlene will make a great superintended!


Jerry

"And in the end, itís not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." A. Lincoln

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kebmo
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Posted - 10/15/2017 :  9:08:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit kebmo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
already on the second page of this thread and he hasn't even posted any pics. all ya gotta see is "carl b" and the interest is piqued. everybody wants to see what you're gonna do with this.
with that said.... what're ya waiting for?


if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

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sgtbob
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Posted - 10/16/2017 :  04:58:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit sgtbob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Carl, There is some snow in that scene, just doesn't show up in the photos. There is a
dusting of snow sparkling on the roofs and between the cobblestones.

Bob


http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30102&whichpage=1
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=38921
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45371
http://www.freewebs.com/santmod/

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Carl B
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Posted - 10/16/2017 :  6:43:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit Carl B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jerry- thank you, good to have you on board. We'll see how the co-decision making turns out...

kebmo- Gee Kevin, these things are taking time. I didn't realize I had to catch my wife in a modeling mode, just like myself. This Wednesday update we'll begin with the plot plan and, first structure.

Bob- Thanks for pointing the snow out. Very nice. What did you use for "snow"?



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sgtbob
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Posted - 10/17/2017 :  05:43:46 AM  Show Profile  Visit sgtbob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Carl,

I simply used a pack of "snow" that I bought at a craft shop. It is a dry material with
some sparklers in it sprinkled over a spray of dull cote to stick it down. When you look
at the actual diorama your motion makes a glint of sparkle flash randomly like looking
at a fresh dry snow in the real world.

I'm not in my shop right now, I'll try to find it later today to let you know the brand name.

Bob


http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30102&whichpage=1
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=38921
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45371
http://www.freewebs.com/santmod/

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Tyson Rayles
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Posted - 10/17/2017 :  07:22:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


Mike

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Michael Hohn
Fireman



Posted - 10/17/2017 :  5:40:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Carl,

The material I've seen recommended is marble dust from Builders in Scale.

Mike


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Carl B
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Posted - 10/17/2017 :  7:32:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit Carl B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Bob.

Appreciate the thumbs up Mike.

Thanks for the tip Michael.



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robert goslin
Fireman

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Posted - 10/17/2017 :  9:30:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Carl, really looking forward to seeing your build come together. Type of scene I've been wanting to do for years.
I have just returned from 3 weeks in France.
Had a week in Paris, where we visited some areas that are just like what you will build, especially around the Latin Quarter & Montmatre.
Narrow cobble stone streets, half timbered buildings, artists markets etc. So much atmosphere.
We also covered 2800 km in 2 weeks driving through hundreds of villages with similar detail.
Two of the highlights were Mont St Michael, and Carcassonne. I can supply some photo's if you need them.

for these 2 links to work, you will need to copy the whole link into your browser.

https://www.google.com.au/search?tbm=isch&q=Mont St Michel&chips=q:mont st michel,g_13:street&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZrr6SgvnWAhXMy1QKHUjtA5YQ4lYIRCgD&biw=1344&bih=736&dpr=1.25

https://www.google.com.au/search?biw=1344&bih=736&tbm=isch&q=carcassonne streets&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD-o6fg_nWAhWollQKHd67D7MQhyYILg

Not sure what you'll use for the cobblestones.
Slaters make some really nice sheets of cobblestones & bricks.

https://slatersplastikard.com/assets/pdfs/EmbossedFlyer.pdf


Regards Rob

Despite the cost of living, it's still popular.

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Carl B
Fireman

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Posted - 10/18/2017 :  07:03:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit Carl B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Rob for following along.
Wow, 3 weeks in France, lucky you!

Appreciate the links you provided too.



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Carl B
Fireman

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Posted - 10/18/2017 :  07:20:50 AM  Show Profile  Visit Carl B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The very first task was to design some kind of plot plan so we could get a handle on our overall size limitations. A specific spot in the living room gave us 12" deep by 24" wide.

I drew a general outline of major features. This is actually version 4! Curving row of multi-story buildings as backdrop flats, with one "whole" building in the lower right corner. Street lights and benches along the sidewalks. Several market stands in the center, a town clock on the left and a cafť on the right. Trolley track and car were briefly considered, but sadly abandoned due to space constraints. Some water will be in front- as in... canal side.



Buildings take up a lot of the available space, so I'll build them first, then work around them. The first building Darlene chose, for the lower right corner, was this Vollmer coffee house #43618. During my research of these kits, I discovered the German company Viessmann now owns both Kibri and Vollmer. And Faller now owns the Pola brand.



Wow! The contents are all mounted on 15 sprues, are pre-colored, and include a very thick and un-usable clear styrene for the windows. Approximately 300 individual pieces.



The pictograms are on 6 pages, and no written instructions. There is no measure, cut and fit in this category. It is only paint, cut away from the sprue, a little sanding to fit, assemble and glue. Part numbers are either next to the parts, or actually ON the part. A laborious endeavor to find the appropriate pieces for the correct location



Since none of the bold molded-in colors will work for us, they were all given a spray of primer. The walls will be an off-white, so I used a Krylon sand color.



The walls dried, and then I stippled on a thin coat of antique white acrylic. One coat only. The detail is very, very good on these castings. OK, Iím impressed. I used a warm white on the sills and lintels. The sand color peeked through some, giving an interesting shade. We'll keep it.



Next, I painted the 67 windows and doors the same off-white as the sills, and glued those in. The arched openings received some fillers, which were molded in a dark green. I changed that up with a lighter hunter green of my own. To keep fingers off the paint, reduce accidents and lost parts, I didn't detach anything from the sprues until the last possible moment.



All window and balcony railings are now installed. I painted them dark brown instead of black, test photos revealed they were too stark, and lacked definition against the white. Then I removed the walls from their sprues. Whew! Need a really long break after that.



Till next time....up to the roof



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Ensign
Fireman

Posted - 10/18/2017 :  07:55:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Carl, looks like your off to a great start!
Those Vollmer kits are really well designed, and build into beautiful looking structures.
As you are clearly showing.

Greg Shinnie



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sgtbob
Fireman

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Posted - 10/18/2017 :  07:56:50 AM  Show Profile  Visit sgtbob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Carl, Looking GOOD !!

Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. Here's some of the many "snows" I use.





I've also had good results with plain plaster and if you want a "texture" on that simply
sift a bit of new plaster over the old damp plaster. You can also add a bit of "sparkle" to that too.

Bob.


http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30102&whichpage=1
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=38921
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45371
http://www.freewebs.com/santmod/

Edited by - sgtbob on 10/18/2017 07:58:08 AM

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