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I do not think we need to make this a sticky for if you use the "Active Topics" function you will find quickly if anyone has posted. So without further ado, let the construction begin. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Country: USA | Posts: 12561 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 10/03/2003 :  12:26:17 PM     Hi all A couple of general construction points. On the alcohol and India Ink wash. I use Higgins Black waterproof India Ink. For alcohol you can either get 70% or 91% Isopropyl alcohol. Somewhere I read that the 91% works better with the ink but I have used both and do not see a major difference. The 70% alcohol I get at a food store like Stop & Shop but for the 91% I have to go to a drug store like CVS. I also use a mixture of Kiwi Black Leather Dye and alcohol. I think the results are similar to the india ink wash but the shoe dye for me is easier to find as it can be also be purchased at a food store. I have not used the brown shoe dye but have read that this is also a nice mixture for a wash. In the instructions for "Building the Bar" it says to brace the walls before any weathering is done. This step is very critical as the alcohol will warp the walls very quickly if they are not braced. I have learned this lesson the hard way. Also make sure that you use waterproof glue for the construction or the alcohol wash will cause everything to fall apart. All for now. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Edited by - Bbags on 10/03/2003 12:32:59 PM Country: USA | Posts: 12561 Rick Administrator Premium Member Posted - 10/03/2003 :  1:40:27 PM     Hi all, John: Thanks for the tips and reminders. I was able to get a piece of 3/4" plywood to use as a base from my Uncle, but he didn't have any 1/4" masonite (to be used for the sidewalk). He did have some 1/4" plywood though. Will this be a problem? ___________________________________ All the things that others want for me... Can't buy what I want because it's free... Country: USA | Posts: 12134 wvrr Fireman Posted - 10/03/2003 :  1:53:11 PM       John, Your last comment about the alcohol wash confused me. Are you applying the wash after assembly? All along, I was thinking the wash would be applied before assembly. Chuck Wyoming Valley Railroad http://sites.google.com/site/wvrails/ Country: | Posts: 4344 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 10/03/2003 :  2:05:23 PM     quote: Originally posted by wvrr John, Your last comment about the alcohol wash confused me. Are you applying the wash after assembly? All along, I was thinking the wash would be applied before assembly. Chuck Hi Chuck Sorry if I confused you. No the alcohol wash goes on before the walls are assembled together. However the walls have to be braced on the inside and this must be done before the wash is used for one of the purposes of the braces is to prevent the walls from warping. I put on the braces first, then use the wash, then do the weathering of the walls. I found that if you do nail holes and weathering of the siding and then wash them with alcohol the swelling of the wood caused most of your effort to vanish. I will sometimes use a second wash after painting the walls to highlight the nail holes etc. But this is more of a wipe that a wash. I hope this is clear. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Edited by - Bbags on 10/03/2003 2:59:46 PM Country: USA | Posts: 12561 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 10/03/2003 :  2:17:18 PM     quote: Originally posted by LocoRick Hi all, John: Thanks for the tips and reminders. I was able to get a piece of 3/4" plywood to use as a base from my Uncle, but he didn't have any 1/4" masonite (to be used for the sidewalk). He did have some 1/4" plywood though. Will this be a problem? Hi Rick I do not think that this will be a problem. I think he uses masonite so that when you put down the road surface the wood will not warp, but I am not sure. I model backwoods Alaska where sidewalks do not exist. I only need a dirt path and gravel for parking lots etc. You would be lucky to find a paved road in this part of Alaska and if so then it is asphalt and not cement. Thus i will not be making any curbs. Thus I am not even going to worry about the 1/4" piece. I have in the past used 1/2" foam board to gain elevation on my Foss' diorama. Also my track will be in front of the buildings across from the road so I will not have to do any preperation of that area until after I finish the structures. I have a piece of 3/4" plywood that is 4 feet long by 15 inches deep which will hold 6 different buildings along my road. Also I started this thread after Bruce indicated that he might be able to find the time to join in. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Country: USA | Posts: 12561 wvrr Fireman Posted - 10/03/2003 :  3:12:10 PM       Thanks for clearing that up, John. Whew! Chuck Wyoming Valley Railroad http://sites.google.com/site/wvrails/ Country: | Posts: 4344 Marken Fireman Premium Member Posted - 10/03/2003 :  4:21:56 PM     John, what is the typical ratio of alcohol / india ink and shoe die you prefer? Thanks for the tip about bracing the walls first. Can I order a sausage, mushroom and pepperoni and a cold one when your done? Country: USA | Posts: 2728 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 10/03/2003 :  4:32:18 PM     quote: Originally posted by Marken John, what is the typical ratio of alcohol / india ink and shoe die you prefer? Thanks for the tip about bracing the walls first. Can I order a sausage, mushroom and pepperoni and a cold one when your done? Hi The standard mix quoted in the instructions is 2 teaspoons of ink to one pint of alcohol. However I have never been that precise. I always start on the light side and add more ink until I get a color I like. I just practice on scrap wood. Same thing with the shoe dye. We are holding job interviews shortly for both pizza makers and bar tenders. So if you would like free pizza and beer just show up when the schedule for interviews is announced. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Country: USA | Posts: 12561 inspecbri Engine Wiper Posted - 10/03/2003 :  5:25:29 PM     John, sorry to butt in a little late on your start. Question: How do you like the kit and instructions...I'm thinking about placing an order. It looks like a great kit to add a zillion details to...I love junk! PS I use your same recipe for ink wash...good stuff. Bri Country: USA | Posts: 338 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 10/03/2003 :  7:55:53 PM     quote: Originally posted by inspecbri John, sorry to butt in a little late on your start. Question: How do you like the kit and instructions...I'm thinking about placing an order. It looks like a great kit to add a zillion details to...I love junk! PS I use your same recipe for ink wash...good stuff. Bri Hi Brian I think that it is a great little kit. It has minimal castings but could be made into an interesting diorama with the addition of those very important details (junk). Need a drunk staggering out of the bar etc. I have build his first kit(Big Lou's) and the instructions are similar. He however in this kit does not have his wall templates to scale so it took a little time to figure out where to put the interior bracing so that the sunken roof would fit properly. I have just started so I do not know if there are any other little snags like this. Should be fun to build and has lots of room to add those all important details. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Country: USA | Posts: 12561 inspecbri Engine Wiper Posted - 10/03/2003 :  10:46:26 PM     John,I will probably start with the Fenimore and place Red Bird next to it. As I said in the Skinners thread, I will probably just dipaly this one on a shelf too. There is a nice charm to these FOS kits...Their small and have a tremendous amout of charcter. Their design/modeling work is great and is tremendously enhanced with great close photo work. Country: USA | Posts: 338 paulbrockatsf Fireman Posted - 10/04/2003 :  12:58:27 AM     Well, I did it!! I broke down & ordered Harrington's Bar & Enzo's Pizza, Red Bird Taxi & Fenimore Bros today! Now I’m just broke. I will not be able to join this construction group right now but I will be reading along, asking questions & refer to it later when I build mine. I should be ready to start Fenimore Bros with the rest of you. (As long as you wait till after Christmas!) Paul Country: USA | Posts: 3576 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 10/04/2003 :  09:07:22 AM     Hi all Welcome Paul Please feel free to join in at any time. I see from looking at the scribed siding and reading the box cover that this kit contains a new lasercut staggered clapboard siding. I like the look as it is not uniform and has some larger flat boards mixed in with the narrower siding. Also I was applying the Interior bracing I noticed what I think is a small error. On wall W2 the top and bottom piece can not go all the way to the right as they then would hit the top and bottom boards on wall W3 when you try to assemble the walls. You have to leave the thickness of 1/8 inch off the end of these two braces on the upper and lower right of the braces on wall W2. I did not and I will have to cut off this extra length. I hope this is clear. I work until 9PM tonight but if this is not clear I could take a photo of what I am talking about. I now have to decide what color to paint the Bar. I am not sure if I want the concrete color that is suggested. I like the craft paints and will probably pick a color from this selection. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Country: USA | Posts: 12561 Rick Administrator Premium Member Posted - 10/04/2003 :  09:35:15 AM     John, I agree with you, I too like the look of the staggered siding. I just finished with the interior bracing before I logged on and read your post regarding wall W2. Wish I had read first and glued second but not a difficult fix. ___________________________________ All the things that others want for me... Can't buy what I want because it's free... Country: USA | Posts: 12134 Tom Hopkins Engine Wiper Posted - 10/04/2003 :  11:58:18 AM         No NO NO! 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