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Arizona Dave
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Posted - 09/28/2015 : 01:23:51 AM
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Thanks, Ray! Yes, I can certainly darken the edges. They are stained with watercolors and it would be easy to darken them up. That might look better. In the photo I was referencing the torn edges were actually lighter so that's the way I did it. I hear where you're coming from though.
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Arizona Dave
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 Posted - 09/28/2015 : 01:27:22 AM
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Originally posted by rca2
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Originally posted by Ray Dunakin
Really beautiful!
Would it be possible at this stage to blacken the ragged edges of the rolled roofing?
I assumed it was old and faded, rather than new damage.
Yes. I was referencing some photos of very old and faded tarpaper. Ray is correct that new tears would expose darker paper underneath but without the tar on top I guess the paper would fade quickly in the desert sun? Now I'm torn. (Pun intended.)
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rca2
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Posted - 09/28/2015 : 01:55:14 AM
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I am not familiar with tar paper as a top material. What I have seen is asphalt shingles and hot tar roofs in the NE and Midwest. The surface fades to gray. They use felt like material under the tar surface instead of paper. Asphalt shingles fade too and ones I have seen are dark colored inside. But I wouldn't say that either tar or asphalt fades fast. Since I moved last year, I don't know anyone to ask in the construction business anymore.
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Arizona Dave
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Posted - 09/28/2015 : 5:01:47 PM
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I think you were right, Ray. I painted the torn edges black and now the tarpaper looks more realistic to my eye. Thanks for the tip!
Next up will be the shake roof for the main building.
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MarkF
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Posted - 09/28/2015 : 8:58:53 PM
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I noticed that too but was afraid to comment as I admire your work so much, but it does look much better. Great job!
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Arizona Dave
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Posted - 09/28/2015 : 10:19:44 PM
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Please don't ever be afraid to offer constructive criticism. I can take it! Everybody can learn something. The best thing about this forum is the wealth of knowledge and experience of its members.
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Ray Dunakin
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Posted - 09/28/2015 : 11:47:48 PM
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I've seen it both lighter, and darker, on prototype structures. I don't know whether it depends on the type of material, or what kind of weather it's been subjected to. To my eye the dark edges just look more "right".
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hon3_rr
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Posted - 09/29/2015 : 01:02:44 AM
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I have used printed paper 'tarpaper' in the past on a couple of structures. I have used two different ways to color the paper edges dependent on the effect I interested in.
I have used a charcoal pencil/stick to color the edges of the paper. This technique has the advantage of being somewhat controllable in the color tone by wiping with the finger. In addition, it provides a fairly sharp line.
The second method is to use a dark gray/black felt tip marker. Here the color 'fades' a bit more into the paper roofing due to the moisture in the ink application, making the line not quite so sharp and which lends itself more towards a 'rip' in the tarpaper, like the effect you have obtained.
For my eye, the big trick is to tear/cut the tarpaper lower edge to avoid the straight line, indicating some weathering (wear and tear) of the tarpaper. Dependent on the tearing and the tarpaper edge shadow one is trying to obtain, the method of coloring the paper edge is a matter of technique.
I really feel that your affect is very well done and I really like the sandpaper with the paper colored over the first picture of the raw paper edge. I suspect that the marker method would come in similar to your watercolor application, but you probably have more control over the color of the paper edge using your method, but I suspect that the tradeoff is a slight loss in control over the amount of 'fade' created by the absorbing function of the sandpaper when compared to using a marker.
But no matter what.... really, really nicely done... as usual!!
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Arizona Dave
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Arizona Dave
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Posted - 10/01/2015 : 5:05:55 PM
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Trying to visualize the finished scene at Hanging Rock and the natural bridge.
(AKA: playing with trains.)
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Bill Gill
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Posted - 10/01/2015 : 5:25:32 PM
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That's going to be a nice scene, Dave.
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Hopeless
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Posted - 10/01/2015 : 6:45:25 PM
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Wonderful, Walt would be proud.
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Ray Dunakin
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Posted - 10/01/2015 : 11:06:01 PM
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I was just wondering about the name, "Hanging Rock"… does that refer to a rock that hangs, or a rock where outlaws received their final justice?
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Arizona Dave
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Posted - 10/01/2015 : 11:08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Ray Dunakin
I was just wondering about the name, "Hanging Rock"… does that refer to a rock that hangs, or a rock where outlaws received their final justice?
Hehe. Both. 
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MarkF
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Posted - 10/01/2015 : 11:14:00 PM
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I do love your video updates Dave. That's a great way to keep your fans updated! The natural stone bridge is awesome! That's going to look great when done. Very 'Disneyish'!
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