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Tyson Rayles
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kumard
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Posted - 08/30/2015 :  5:54:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robchant

What are your plans for the layout once it is "finished"? Is it a part of a bigger layout you're building? I would love to see how it fits into your plans. Take care, Rob.



Thanks all. Creating the stories really helped create the realism.

Rob,

My wife has given permission for me to section off another slice of our downstairs work area so suddenly I have more space available. The space is large enough to build a medium sized end-to-end layout.

However I've been pondering what to do next. I will be building a small micro of a London-based railway starting soon but in parallel will be building the larger layout as well. I'll post pictures of the space at some point.

I am very taken with mid-West railroading and top of my list is modelling either another depot on the line - this time with some of the surrounding village or one of the ends of the line - either its connection to the main line or the other end at its terminus. I also wanted a scene where the train is simply meandering through the country side on its own, passing through fields and farms.

Other options on my list are:
1. Southern Pacific in central California - one of the SP shortlines that used to serve the agricultural center of the state. The colors are breathtaking - strong blues and oranges.
2. The Canadian Pacific in the Rockies - along with a lakeside barge slip.
3. This is a little crazy, but I was also thinking of freelance modelling one of the electric railroads that serviced the copper industries in the West (such as the Butte, Anaconda and Pacific Railway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butte,_Anaconda_and_Pacific_Railway). The catch is I want to use European electric locomotives that I will 'Americanize' for use in the Western USA. Some are actually similar in appearance to the real electric locomotives run by the Milwaukee Road and Great Northern and other US electric railroads. All I have to do is create a story for how they got over here. The Southern Pacific had its Krauss-Maffeis so it is possible that European locomotives could find their way over to the USA.


I really like old European electric locomotives:


A Butte Anaconda locomotive, not so far removed from the locomotive above, right?:


Anyhow I'll make a final decision nearer Christmas and start in January. Until then I'll continue to upgrade the current layout.


http://thedepotonline.com/

Edited by - kumard on 08/31/2015 12:31:54 PM

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robchant
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Posted - 08/30/2015 :  7:26:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Kumar,

Thanks for detailing your plans for me. Any of the options you're considering should produce an excellent layout. Although personally, I would be more inclined to expand on the module you presented here and it shouldn't be too hard to adapt it to any space.

Ever since seeing Andy Sperandeo's San Jacinto District layout, I also wondered about modeling California's orange growing belt. And from looking online, I assume that I am not the only one that was inspired by Andy's plan since there have been a few variations posted on a few modeling forums.

I had also considered a layout based on the CP in the Rockies many years ago, but eventually decided against it. Since then, I started to lean more towards local switching and I needed a prototype with more online industries in less space. While the scenery would be stunning, I think I would eventually grow tired of the layout unless it had a lot more online switching to do.

Using European electrics on a US-based layout would certainly be distinctive and no doubt that would be a big selling point. However, after reading a bit on the BA&P, I also think that it would make an excellent and unique choice as is, since it seems like a very interesting prototype.

Take care,
Rob.



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BigLars
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Posted - 08/30/2015 :  7:41:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh a story for how the electrics got to the US. How about the locomotives were on there way from Germany to South America and the ship had mechanical trouble and had to pull into a US port. Later that day the US joined WWII and the contents of the ship were confiscated. The goods were then sold at auction...

My current build:
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=50375

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kumard
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Posted - 08/30/2015 :  11:03:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Rob,

It's very early stage thinking right now. Who knows which way I will go. There were also a bunch of projects that I didn't mention and they may throw themselves back into the mix.



In the meantime I will probably do some research. I'll take a look at the San Jacinto District layout plan you mentioned. I want to read this book: The Visalia Electric Railroad: Southern Pacific's Orange Grove Route (http://www.amazon.com/The-Visalia-Electric-Railroad-Southern/dp/1930013159) which covers some of the themes I'm interested in.

and also the San Ramon Branch Line of the Southern Pacific (http://www.amazon.com/Ramon-Branch-Line-Southern-Pacific/dp/0965545121/ref=sr_1_181?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1441215719&sr=1-181&keywords=%22Southern+Pacific%22)

and also Serving the Golden Empire - Branch Line Style: A Look at Southern Pacific's Clovis (Friant) Branch (http://www.amazon.com/Serving-Golden-Empire-Southern-Pacifics/dp/B005FN1420/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1441215983&sr=1-3&keywords=%22Southern+Pacific%22+branch)

and lastly The history of the Sunset Railway: Including the McKittrick Branch of the Southern Pacific Company (http://www.amazon.com/history-Sunset-Railway-Including-McKittrick/dp/0943500141/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1441216347&sr=1-1&keywords=%22Southern+Pacific%22+branch+railroad)



The Butte and Anaconda railway idea is of great interest to me but firstly I'll research more of its history: Wired for Success: The Butte, Anaconda & Pacific Railway, 1892-1985 (http://www.amazon.com/Wired-Success-Anaconda-Pacific-1892-1985/dp/0874222524/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1440988724&sr=1-1&keywords=Butte+and+Anaconda+railway). This seems to cover the history I'll need.



The Morning Sun books on the Milwaukee railroad in the west (http://morningsunbooks.com/products/trackside-milwaukee-road-east-with-jim-boyd) and (http://morningsunbooks.com/products/under-milwaukee-wires) also have excellent coverage of the Butte and Anaconda Railway.

Although the thought of a couple of Crocs pulling US coal hoppers excites the hell out of me it's no doubt taking things too far. Anything boxcab-like from Europe will probably be best. I can buy the locomotives on Ebay and just cut them up and rebuild them as needed (cowbells, cowcatchers, painted black, wooden box windows etc) for small mining operation in Montana.

A Crocodile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile_%28locomotive%29)...nice!


I can buy one of these on Ebay. Not cheap though!


As far as the Canadian barge slip idea goes it's a wonderful setting but as you mentioned it has to be operationally interesting. Though the lakeside barge slip could have a bunch of supporting tracks to minor industries what would they be in the middle of the mountain areas? The backdrop could take care of the mountains so I wouldn't have to have John Allen-like mountains in my basement. Even though it is a frequently-modeled prototype (and I've seen some excellent models of this theme) replicating the rickety trackwork around the slip and partially in water would be something I would like to tackle at some point.




I'll keep you posted on this issue and will start a new thread once I'm ready to start.



http://thedepotonline.com/

Edited by - kumard on 09/13/2015 01:13:24 AM

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kumard
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Posted - 08/30/2015 :  11:08:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BigLars

Oh a story for how the electrics got to the US. How about the locomotives were on there way from Germany to South America and the ship had mechanical trouble and had to pull into a US port. Later that day the US joined WWII and the contents of the ship were confiscated. The goods were then sold at auction...



Well that's as good a story as any I can think of. If I go this route then I think I'll flesh the story out a little and include the tale of a German mining engineer who ran the operation in Montana and jumped at the chance to purchase (very cheap) some excellent German workmanship.

......or something like that.


http://thedepotonline.com/

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robchant
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Posted - 08/31/2015 :  06:16:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Kumar,

You have a lot of researching to do, but that's about 80% of the fun of designing a new layout and it is a part I really enjoy. It will certainly be a hard choice to decide between all those themes. My top 3 interests are 3-truck Shays, Alco RS-1's and Maine 2-footers, so I know how hard it is to ignore something you like. I will have a look when you start the new planning thread and watch your progress.

Take care,
Rob.



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Frank Palmer
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Posted - 08/31/2015 :  09:08:46 AM  Show Profile  Visit Frank Palmer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not to sure how seaworthy that barge is, I guess that's why I like it.


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kumard
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Posted - 08/31/2015 :  1:06:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robchant



My top 3 interests are 3-truck Shays, Alco RS-1's and Maine 2-footers, so I know how hard it is to ignore something you like.




All great subjects. The above have all been of interest to me at one time. Love RS1s, such a classic locomotive.

Anyway back to the layout.

The final list of work to be done:
1. Finish upgrading the landscaping of the track. Bring out the textures and colors where things look flat.
2. Finish painting the rolling stock - I'll post a photo of all the purchased stock that I'll be working on over the next few months.
3. Finish the new backdrop and replace the old with less scary clouds.
4. Purchase frog kits from a supplier and replace all the frogs and points. They currently look so horrible that they actually offend me (-: and have to go.
5. Touch up any scenery.

Longer term:
Redo all the buildings. They were my first attempts at scratch-building and need rebuilding.

I'll start next weekend on this list and work on it until December.





http://thedepotonline.com/

Edited by - kumard on 08/31/2015 1:16:48 PM

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Tyson Rayles
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Posted - 08/31/2015 :  1:53:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are too hard on yourself, the frogs, points, buildings look great!


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Genetk44
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Posted - 08/31/2015 :  2:03:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah! What Tyson said. I think any magazine would be proud to do an article on your layout, I think Iain Rice would give it 5-stars. But its your layout Kumar...so go for it. For turn-outs you really should check-out the Fast-Track jigs and tools...their frog tool is awesome.

Cheers
Gene



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robchant
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Posted - 08/31/2015 :  3:07:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Kumard,

I would have to agree with everyone else; your layout looks great! Even in the close-up photos, there is absolutely nothing that is not pleasing to my eye. And it is such scrutiny that separates a good layout from a great layout. The one thing that I really like are the toned down and muted colours and also how everything fits so well together and actually compliments each other. Although there nothing wrong with improving a layout, a modeler must also know when to stop. Our skills will (hopefully) always keep improving, and nothing would get accomplished if we tell ourselves that we must go back and redo every past project to our current standards.

Take care,
Rob.



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Frank Palmer
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Posted - 09/01/2015 :  11:11:27 AM  Show Profile  Visit Frank Palmer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Really nice layouit design. It offers loads of switching opertunities. Should you build another layout that barge scene would be killer.


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kumard
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Posted - 09/01/2015 :  12:43:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robchant

Hi Kumard,

I would have to agree with everyone else; your layout looks great! Even in the close-up photos, there is absolutely nothing that is not pleasing to my eye. And it is such scrutiny that separates a good layout from a great layout. The one thing that I really like are the toned down and muted colours and also how everything fits so well together and actually compliments each other. Although there nothing wrong with improving a layout, a modeler must also know when to stop. Our skills will (hopefully) always keep improving, and nothing would get accomplished if we tell ourselves that we must go back and redo every past project to our current standards.

Take care,
Rob.




Well thank you (all) and yes you are right: there is a point where one has to say enough is enough.

The minor color and texture adjustments will be done this week and then that's it!! No more.

I'll play around with frog kits and may try to replace at least one. It's a big and dangerous project to replace turnouts that have already been completed. If that one goes well then over time I'll replace the others.

Anyway next week I'll get back to the rolling stock repainting and weathering. I've done some weathering in the past but have a couple of excellent books on the subject. One of the best books that I have read so far is this one: 'Weathering by Tom Mann.'



It's written for N scale but I'm amazed at how good the N scale stock looks after using his weathering methods. All the methods would work in HO.

His website is here: http://www.weatheringfactory.com/?page_id=185 and the book can still be ordered. Highly recommended.

Other than that I'm looking online for weathering and detailing information for the rolling stock. Since there will only be around 10-15 items max for the layout once again I can take my time and 'go deep' into the weathering.

Here's a picture of some of the stock:



The locomotives were bought for less than $30 a piece off Ebay and are made by Atlas. One is a GP7 and the other is a GP38.

I'm definitely repainting the GP7 in Soo Line colors. I'm not yet sure about the GP38. I'm starting this next project on the weekend.


http://thedepotonline.com/

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kumard
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Posted - 09/01/2015 :  1:05:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit kumard's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm deleting a whole bunch of pictures of the layout (I've plenty of others though) from my iPhone. Here are a few for posterity (I'll take more on the weekend with the cover and backdrop):





http://thedepotonline.com/

Edited by - kumard on 09/01/2015 1:07:27 PM

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