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Personally I would go with 2 types of roofing which would make it look like part of the structure was added at a later date. Either corrugated metal or rolled roofing would be my other choice. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Country: USA | Posts: 13050 wvrr Fireman Posted - 07/08/2003 :  08:31:07 AM     If you go the rolled roofing route, what do you use? I keep seeing "tissue". So, I tried tissue that you use for your nose. The variety I used had texture to it that I did not want (almost diamond like). Then, I thought tissue meant the gift wrapping variety. When you overlay they rolls, you don't see the overlap very well, in my opinion. This is what I used for my theater. So what does everyone use for rolled roofing material? Chuck Wyoming Valley Railroad http://sites.google.com/site/wvrails/ Country: | Posts: 5017 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 07/08/2003 :  08:33:12 AM   Hi Dutchman Here is a picture of the Millet Creamery which is a finescale kit from South River Modelworks. I posted it since it shows different roof styles on the structure. This kit is up for auction on eBay so the picture may not last past the auction closing date. Also if you bid on the kit the current bid is $401.79. I think you can do a nice job with your model for a lot less cash. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Country: USA | Posts: 13050 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 07/08/2003 :  08:49:41 AM   quote: Originally posted by wvrr If you go the rolled roofing route, what do you use? I keep seeing "tissue". So, I tried tissue that you use for your nose. The variety I used had texture to it that I did not want (almost diamond like). Then, I thought tissue meant the gift wrapping variety. When you overlay they rolls, you don't see the overlap very well, in my opinion. This is what I used for my theater. So what does everyone use for rolled roofing material? Chuck Hi Chuck I have used the tissue that you wrap gifts with and I have also used newsprint which I can get free from work. Make sure you paint it first before installing. Also if you streak the paint and then rotate the sheet 90 degrees from the direction that you painted it when you cut, you will then get the downward streaks as if weathered by rain when installed. Even flat roofs will have some pitch for the rain to drain off. Also overlap the seams. I learned this from Shamus. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Country: USA | Posts: 13050 MikeC Administrator Premium Member Posted - 07/08/2003 :  09:45:59 AM     Chuck, over the years, I have tried a number of things to represent tar paper roofing. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. I have used thin masking tape, cut to scale widths and sprayed with flat or "grimy" black. I have used black construction paper that I sanded to a more realistic thickness. I have used tissue paper as well as plain copier paper and ink jet paper. I don't think there's any one material that has a clear-cut advantage over the rest. Here's a photo of an HOn3 tool caboose I scratchbuilt a few years ago. I made the "tarpaper" from black construction paper that I sanded and tore to roughen the edges. I think it shows the overlaps fairly well. I forgot to add that I weathered it with raw umber and neutral gray pastels also. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm a busy man. I have a railroad to run. Visit the Central Missouri & Southern Edited by - MikeC on 07/08/2003 10:04:48 AM Country: USA | Posts: 21584 wvrr Fireman Posted - 07/08/2003 :  09:46:55 AM     Paint it first. OK, that is what I am doing wrong. I've been painting it directly onto the building...using the paint as the glue. I will try this, next time. The streaking idea is interesting! Thanks! The tarpaper on that car looks great, Mike. I have used masking tape in the past, also. But lately, it seems that I see more references to tissue paper. Probably my perception. Chuck Wyoming Valley Railroad http://sites.google.com/site/wvrails/ Edited by - wvrr on 07/08/2003 09:55:32 AM Country: | Posts: 5017 inspecbri Engine Wiper Posted - 07/08/2003 :  2:47:11 PM   Hi Dutchman, In regards to roofing, Mr. Mike said it very well...there is no clear answer to what material works best. It is what is done with the material to make it look like the real thing. Jon Addison uses newspaper painted in various shades of gray for rolled roofing....fantastic results! Mikes construction paper technique with the torn and sanded edges would be a very good start in your introduction to the roofing trade. The construction paper would be easy to work with. cut,tear and lightly sand the edges..and your on your way. I think some of the other guys can take the ball from here on size, color,weathering..etc. C'mon boys,lets get a roof on this thing Welcome Aboard Brian Country: USA | Posts: 338 MikeC Administrator Premium Member Posted - 07/08/2003 :  6:10:15 PM     Well, I finally got a chance to take a couple of progress photos. I still have some final detailing (such as adding pull-bars to the doors) to finish, so it's a long way from deserving the name "finescale." But here's one wall of DPM's freighthouse. When all of the walls are finished and assembled, the structure will sit on the stone foundation I carved for it a few weeks back. I didn't realize until this past weekend, though, how much of the foundation will be hidden by the loading docks, ramp, and office/platform. Oh well, that's the way it goes, I guess... Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm a busy man. I have a railroad to run. Visit the Central Missouri & Southern Country: USA | Posts: 21584 Dutchman Administrator Premium Member Posted - 07/08/2003 :  7:01:30 PM   Thanks to all for the suggestions on the roofing. At the moment, I am leaning towards using Campbell shingles on the two-story part of the building, the kit's simulated corrugated roofing on the low peaked roof, and "roll roofing" on the boiler house addition. I prepared the kit walls for painting last night and cut out the styrene subwalls for the boiler house. Tonight I will put a first coat of paint on the walls and paint the windows if I get time. While that dries, I will cut the openings in the boilerhouse walls for windows and doors (using the John Nerich technique--which I have never tried before.) Bags, thanks for the picture of the Millet Creamery. I think I will sit on the sideline as the bidding continues! However, it did give me some ideas. Mike, I think that the DPM walls are really shaping up well. I have been stockpiling a lot of the DPM wall units for future projects, so I will be watching with much interest. Bruce Modeling the railroads of the Jersey Highlands in HO and the logging railroads of Pennsylvania in HOn3 Country: USA | Posts: 23235 inspecbri Engine Wiper Posted - 07/08/2003 :  7:10:44 PM   Mike, Very nice walls, hard to believe they are DPM..they have a very dusty Hydrocal look. Excellent soft colors...easy on the eyes..very relaxed looking work..on a lazy looking old building...now hurry up and finish!! Bri Country: USA | Posts: 338 MikeC Administrator Premium Member Posted - 07/08/2003 :  9:04:33 PM     quote: Originally posted by inspecbri Mike, .now hurry up and finish!! Bri Yeah, right! I'll be lucky to have this finished by the deadline at year's end. This is my "weekend project" for the evenings when I'm at my lake home. The problem is, I hardly stay inside during this time of year, which means I'll really have to double up come early winter evenings and cooler weather. The "Hydrocal" appearance may be due to the "mortar" I used on the bricks. It's Rembrandt raw umber pastel dusted and rubbed in with my thumb. (I'll do anything - almost - to avoid having a plastic model look like plastic! ) Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm a busy man. I have a railroad to run. Visit the Central Missouri & Southern Country: USA | Posts: 21584 Bbags Administrator Premium Member Posted - 07/08/2003 :  9:49:09 PM   Hi Dutchman Well the auction ended and the Creamery went for $450. Here is a picture of the other side that was also posted with the auction. This will also only be available until the lister takes it down. Others have seen this but here is a picture of a roof I did using both Campbell's shingles and Campbell's corrugated aluminum roofing. John Bagley Modeling the Alaska Railroad in HO in Wildwood Georgia. Edited by - Bbags on 07/08/2003 10:12:17 PM Country: USA | Posts: 13050 Tyson Rayles Moderator Premium Member Posted - 07/08/2003 :  9:58:37 PM   Looking nice Mike! Mike Country: USA | Posts: 10170 ANo10 Fireman Posted - 07/08/2003 :  10:48:42 PM   Mike, Amazing, simply amazing, what you can do with chalks. I especially like the "dirty doors". Dutchman, looking forward to some pic's. Jim Country: USA | Posts: 2773 inspecbri Engine Wiper Posted - 07/09/2003 :  11:54:34 AM   John, I know that you were showing the roof but, Hey, are the sides individual boards? and what colors did you use..Looks excellent...and the roof too! Bri PS..Mike, Pastels..way da go! 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