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Posted - 04/25/2013 :  03:17:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi All, with so many threads with nautical themes I thought I share some newly found links for information and equipment. I received a tip from John Elwood (Thanks!) on a shipbuilding book and while browsing ebay I found a cd with that book and a lot of others scanned and compiled together. The scans where quite good and the price low so I thought I would recommend it. The cd is called A practical course in wooden boat and ship building and can be found on the following link.


The seller also have a lot of other great cd:s as well.

Then here is a link to a Polish site who has a lot of neat nautical stuff that probably can be used from HO scale and up.

One of the things that caught my attention was the small neat lanterns that can be wired with lights.

I hope the above can be useful.


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Posted - 04/25/2013 :  08:06:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for posting these links. RB Model has some nice looking items.

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Posted - 04/25/2013 :  4:31:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit AVRR-PA's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks! Very useful.


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Posted - 04/25/2013 :  9:21:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Your suggestion was a nice one for those fascinated with marine based model railroads. As I live in Gloucester, Massachusetts, the United States' oldest seaport (started in 1626), I have a lively interest in boat building, particularly that of the old wooden sailing ships. I volunteer with a group that's rehabilitating one of the last of the old Gloucester based fishing schooners, the Adventure (see: http://schooner-adventure.org/ ).

The art of building wooden ships is still practiced nearby in Essex Massachusetts at the Burnham Boatyard. This is the last yard left in this little town where over 4,000 ships were launched in the age of sail, making it one of the greatest former boat building centers in North America. Harold Burnham, the last in a two-century line of family shipwrights, has recently built five wooden schooners here using the traditional methods passed down from his ancestors. You can see his latest handiwork, the early style "pinky" schooner, Ardelle, in a video at http://www.nea.gov/honors/heritage/fellows/fellow.php?id=2012_03&type=bio. Notice the simple barn and wooden marine ways at the launch site. That's the typical facility that has been used for centuries to support this sort of boat building, not the elaborate structures that kit manufacturers dream up. The cost of building and maintaining such ornate buildings had no appeal to frugal New Englanders.

The area here is filled with other old marine buildings that invite modeling. Though Bollinger Edgerly has created authentic looking kits for some, many remain to be scratch built. A favorite of mine is the old Tarr & Wonson paint factory where the first U.S. copper marine paint was manufactured, ending the need to sheath hulls in metal. Only a portion of the 1863 structure still stands, but many online photos show it in its prime as do the drawings on the Historic American Building site at: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/ma/ma1700/ma1716/data/ma1716data.pdf .

As for fishing schooners, Bluejacket sells a 1/8" scale model kit for the "We're Here." It's named for the fictional boat in Rudyard Kipling's "Captains Courageous," but it's a close match to the "Grand Bankers" that brought cod back to New England ports like Gloucester from the 1880s through the 1950s. The only problem is that such models are probably too big to fit most layouts. Plans for some smaller schooners can be found on the above HABERSAER site along with many other marine related items.


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Posted - 04/28/2013 :  2:41:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have wondered about your forum name, Frank. Many thanks for the information, I wish the Adventure project fair winds and following seas.

I could not get the Ardelle video link to work but I found one on Youtube showing the launch.

The side launch looked a bit precarious with the hull tilting a lot but I guess that they knew what they were doing. Very strange looking hull on the vessel with that up turned stern.

I have a "tiny" maritime connection myself as I have previously owned four small wooden sail boats, the recent one I sold last year as I finally realized that my family was not into yachting. The boat was a Nordic Folkboat, larch on oak with mahogany cabin. It sailed very well in moderate to fresh winds but did not move much in light winds with its 2 ton weight to 24m2 sails. Very small inside with only 4 feet of standing room.
Here is a link to a photo of it.


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Posted - 04/28/2013 :  10:58:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

The url for the Ardelle in my posting video erroneously merged with the sentence period, making it inoperative. Deleting the period makes it work. Sorry for that. As for the side launch, that was the typical way to get mid-sized boats into the water along the New England coast. Boatyards in Essex and Gloucester were family run business, usually in tight quarters on small coves or up tidal rivers, so there wasn't a lot of room for launching. Besides, a side launch required less scaffolding than a stern launch; the big schooners of the late 19th and early 20th century (like the Adventure) which ran 100 to 120 feet from stem to stern, however, generally had to be stern launched.

As in northern Europe, boats varied in design by region in North America. The schooner, whose rig was first developed in Gloucester in 1713, was the mainstay of New England and Maritime Canada, regions that shared more with each other than either did with its official nation. But there was a long evolution of hull styles from Chebacco boats ( http://www.burnhamboatbuilding.com/Fame.html ) through Pinkies like The Ardelle to the classic Clipper Schooners and eventually the Knockabout Schooners like the Adventure (which dispensed with the dangerous bowsprit or "widow-maker"). The high pointed stern that you note, is a defining Pinky trait; and though there is some debate over the origin of the name, one view is that it derives from an old term for a sharp angle like that of the stern. There is some similarity with the Norse Drakkar in this respect. For a good description of the Pinky and also these other types, see Jon Leather's "The Gaff Rig Handbook: History, Design, Techniques, Developments" ( http://books.google.com/books?id=vunvLutTE7QC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false )

Your Nordic Folkboat looks similar to another New England craft, the Friendship Sloop. Originating in Friendship, Maine, but influenced by Gloucester schooner design, these small sloops ( http://www.fss.org/slphist.htm ) were the favorite of inshore lobstermen and seiners. Schooners by contrast were used more by cod and halibut fishermen who worked the offshore banks, fishing with "long-line" hand lines. Like you, I've given up the thought of owning even a modest sail boat because of the high cost in money and time for maintenance. Fortunately I can still sail on friends' boats, commercial schooners, and eventually, I hope, The Adventure.

Even modeling such boats in HO is problematic for me, as they require lots of space. And my 1870s house, though it affords great views of the Gloucester harbor, sits on a granite boulder with no proper basement to house a layout. Had I more room, though, there's a great prototype for a small New England waterfront scene with tracks down to wharves: Belfast Maine. As you can see on the old map mid-way down the page on this online web site, the actual trackage looks as if it were designed for a model layout ( http://cprr.org/Museum/BMLRR/ ) like that of Troels Kirk. But this is a standard gauge railroad, not a Maine narrow gauge operation. With more space and ambition, I'd consider modeling Phillips Wharf in Salem, Massachusetts, which was built to allow ships to offload coal, cotton, and machinery onto the cars of the Salem and Lowell Railroad for shipment inland to the great, early textile mills along the Merrimack Valley ( http://www.wardmaps.com/viewasset.php?aid=1143 ) .


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Posted - 04/29/2013 :  12:47:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Subsequent to my last post, someone local called my attention to an old documentary film of 1947 that shows a wooden boat of that era being constructed in the Story Yard of Essex, Massachusetts, the same yard that built the Adventure in 1926. Fortunately, I have been able to locate a video copy online at http://archive.org/details/gov.archives.arc.49150 and so can share it with the members of this forum who have an interest in nautical modeling. The boat shown being built in the film is diesel driven trawler, not a wind driven schooner, but the methods of construction remained much the same as in the age of the schooners, the last of which were being built in the 1920s. These motorized trawlers and their bottom scouring trawl nets, particularly the bigger versions of the 1970s, are what destroyed the North Atlantic fisheries in both European and North American waters. But that's an off-tread issue I'll avoid. More to the point here, the film not only shows the process of building a boat, but the small boat building town of Essex in the immediate post-WWII period. The acting is dated and over-done (neither yardmen nor fishermen sang chanteys or danced jigs on these boats), but the views of the town and its people are authentic. Note that the film mentions a Burnham, probably Harold Burnham's grandfather, as well as focuses on the real Story family. It also shows the traditional side launch we discussed before. Anyone modeling a shipbuilding site will find much detail here to incorporate into the scene. You could, in fact, make it the subject of a whole diorama; it could be called "Chebacco," the original name for Essex.


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Posted - 04/30/2013 :  9:45:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If Nautical Nonsense is something you wish, then drop on the deck and flop like a fish*, or you could just check this event out: http://www.sailtraining.org/tallships/2013greatlakes/index.php http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/bay-city/index.ssf/2013/04/bay_city_tall_ship_celebration_3.html?fb_action_ids=545792548793356&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=s%3DshowShareBarUI%3Ap%3Dfacebook-like&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582 * Theme from SpongeBob SquarePants

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