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visman48
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Posted - 03/20/2013 :  8:06:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit visman48's Homepage  Click to see visman48's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Good Evening all,
I wanted to update you all on the sound and set info on the new Heisler.

As you all know by now the new Heisler comes with a new decoder and a sound module. While the install of the same sound module type for the 2442 was simple this one is a bit more tricky.

So we are gonna review the bidding process on this one.

This is the sound module, note the socket for the pins. BTW that is the right side up, it even says so on the board.


And it goes in here...


Before you go pulling wires and unhooking things DO read and REread the instructions that come with the sound module.

Proof that it can be done...


I will add some more details...BTW that is the first documentation to keep...the light wiring color code and pin location.

Les
My forum build links;
Big Horn and Moose Creek :http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22704&whichpage=1
Locomotives: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20279
Railcars: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17827
Mining Module: http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41352&whichpage=1

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visman48
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Posted - 03/20/2013 :  8:23:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit visman48's Homepage  Click to see visman48's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Now on for some tips and suggestions...
1. You have to unhook the blue and white light wires to begin the install, I actually removed the light..its a press fit in the back of the bunker...GENTLY and slowly.

2. slowly ease the light out, the LED leads go out a insulated 2 hole fitting in back of bunker.

3. I actually shortend the LED leads by about a 1/8th inch..so I could CAREFULLY reattach them to the wires.

4. The sound module is a blind fit it settles in there..slowly try to make it fit and slowly press it down. BTW my first one went on with little problems. The second one I had to relocate the wiring, and had to cut a clear area about 1/16" to clear the coal load mounting point inside the bunker.

I tried everything I could think of to install it before I realize it needed just a bit of relief...including taking off the bunker to make sure the sound module would mount.. BTW the screws to remove the bunker are inside, and you can't remove the bunker with the sound module installed.

found on a site...I discovered this when I put the first heisler up on Decoder pro...but let it be documented here..
These are not my notes...

"Re the Heisler, as delivered it is not set up for directional lights & the dimming feature does not work on F1 as the instructions state though there is an easy solution for anyone who wishes to later this:

To alter this the CVs below have to be altered:
CV33 new value = 1
CV34 =2
CV49 & CV 50 =129
CV 39 =128
With these settings the loco should then have directional lights and they are dimmable using F9 (not F1)

On this I found that both lights were turned to run on at same time in Decoder pro I changed settings to resolve this.

Les


My forum build links;
Big Horn and Moose Creek :http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22704&whichpage=1
Locomotives: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20279
Railcars: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17827
Mining Module: http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41352&whichpage=1

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closetguy
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Posted - 03/20/2013 :  8:33:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit closetguy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Les
If you go to the Bachmann site, they have a PDF of all CV setting that come default from the factory. I personally had no problem with lighting. Mine was directional out of the box. What is interesting is that the rear light wires are not all the same length. Mine were 1/2" long.
Mike M



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Tommatthews
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Posted - 03/20/2013 :  8:35:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Les,

Thanks for the tutorial



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visman48
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Posted - 03/20/2013 :  8:52:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit visman48's Homepage  Click to see visman48's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Mike,
The first one I did the wiring was just fine, the second the wiring was short and wouldn't have made the turn, so I fished it out from the main PC board and brought it up on the side...

I really had no problem, both of my heislers had both lights going in either direction. I simply changed one setting in decoder pro to make it work correctly.

Les


My forum build links;
Big Horn and Moose Creek :http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22704&whichpage=1
Locomotives: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20279
Railcars: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17827
Mining Module: http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41352&whichpage=1

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BigLars
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Posted - 03/20/2013 :  10:09:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Les,
Good to see you taking the lead on this engine. I am a little gun shy and want to wait a little before I buy any geared engines.


Larry
CEO Tagish & Marsh Lake RR
CFO Yukon Northern RR
COO JR Mining

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Geezer
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Posted - 03/21/2013 :  05:57:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Les - saved the information to disk.
I dug out the CV reference for the 2-4-4-2 articulateds
and it is different. I tried the CV alterations that
Soundtraxx sent me, but it didn't work, the lights
remain on, but will dim in either direction. *will not go out*


Bill



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visman48
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Posted - 03/21/2013 :  06:50:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit visman48's Homepage  Click to see visman48's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Bill,
I will do a screen snap of the decoder Pro screen that shows you how I did the light change. I installed the soundtraxx decoder pro files last night, I am still working on them. And yes the CV sheets for Heisler and 2442 are different.

Les


My forum build links;
Big Horn and Moose Creek :http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22704&whichpage=1
Locomotives: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20279
Railcars: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17827
Mining Module: http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41352&whichpage=1

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visman48
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Posted - 03/22/2013 :  09:58:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit visman48's Homepage  Click to see visman48's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Good Day,
Last night I made progress on setting up the 2 Heislers. I downloaded the Soundtraxx XML files for Decoder Pro, and actually brought up and looked at the 3 templates. The Template I found was not obvious, and didn't cover all the elements found in the Tsunami OEM PDF file on the Heisler. So I had a combination decoder Pro setup and straight CV inputs. The lights work appropriately now, at one time I had the rear light some how working as a MARS light blinking as I went backward. There are 3 whistles...not impressed there. So impressions are its still a smoooth runner, sound is most excellent, but a little light on how many cars it can pull on the flat.

Things to note, it can be be detailed, the Stearns version bunker is narrow, but would be cool to widen and beafed up. It doesn't have a generator so if you add one you won't get the whine and hiss. Could you Westside it..a small version yeah. Down the road someone will take the mechanism and extent it to make a Westside Heisler #2.

Les


My forum build links;
Big Horn and Moose Creek :http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22704&whichpage=1
Locomotives: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20279
Railcars: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17827
Mining Module: http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41352&whichpage=1

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Tommatthews
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Posted - 03/22/2013 :  10:11:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Les,

Thanks for the info and looking forward to more.
"Looking forward" to receiving the Heisler as well.



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closetguy
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Posted - 03/22/2013 :  10:27:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit closetguy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Les
I ended up having to file my board just a bit to allow space for the wires to come up below the LED leads. Other than that, all was easy.
Mike M



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visman48
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Posted - 03/22/2013 :  10:35:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit visman48's Homepage  Click to see visman48's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Mike
Great glad its in, yeah a bit a space for the wires, and a notch for the coal lug was the most I had to do on the second one. Other than that it was configuring. I have ran my alot in the last couple of days, I can run continous on my RR so I just put them on and run them. I will bite the bullet and detail one of them.

Les


My forum build links;
Big Horn and Moose Creek :http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22704&whichpage=1
Locomotives: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20279
Railcars: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17827
Mining Module: http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41352&whichpage=1

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brownbr
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Posted - 03/23/2013 :  07:40:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for showing this. I pulled my wires to the side of the card instead of filing the back of it to make room. Thanks for the CV info

Bryan

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Geezer
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Posted - 03/23/2013 :  08:07:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a question Les:
When you changed the CV values for directional lighting,
it was BEFORE you installed the sound card, right?
Or, would that make any difference.
Just trying to noodle something out that is not related
directly to the Heisler install.



Bill
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http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39181&whichpage=1
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34275&whichpage=1
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28172&whichpage=1

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visman48
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Posted - 03/23/2013 :  08:13:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit visman48's Homepage  Click to see visman48's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Bill,
on the first one I changed it before I got the sound module, and on the second I changed it after I put in the sound module. Lighting in this case is NOT connected to the sound module.

Les


My forum build links;
Big Horn and Moose Creek :http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22704&whichpage=1
Locomotives: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20279
Railcars: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17827
Mining Module: http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41352&whichpage=1

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Geezer
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Posted - 03/23/2013 :  11:24:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Les - That steers me in a direction I
haven't been before. When I changed the CV's
for directional lighting (provided by Soundtraxx
via email) it wasn't mentioned to change thenm
with or without the sound card installed.
I changed them with the sound card installed, and
they worked for a few seconds, then the whistle started
sounding every few seconds, along with the flashing
lights that you also experience. I will reset the
original decoder to factory spec's (w/0 the sound decoder)
and then change the CV's as instructed. (I will PM you with
what I find, so I don't tie up (read pirate) this thread.
Thanks for all your help......



Bill
The only "REAL" Geezer

"Before you say it's my fault, Are you SURE it was my job?"

My Threads:
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39181&whichpage=1
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34275&whichpage=1
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28172&whichpage=1

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