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mecrr
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 Posted - 08/06/2012 : 6:29:09 PM
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I have printed a sign on tissue paper in hopes of getting a thin sign to glue on wall. Printed beautifully, but once a glued to wall (with thinned Elmer's school glue), the sign bleed.
This is great if I am trying to achieve and old washed out sign look, but I was hoping to have a readable sign. Does anyone have idea/suggestions of how to correct my problem?
Thanx,
David Stickney
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mecrr
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 6:48:21 PM
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Folks,
Just found my answer - I needed to seal the sign prior to pasting.
It was suggested I use "Grumbachers Matte Workable Fixative." Dullcote works too, but not as well. Anyway, I now have a good way to make old washed out signs that look painted on to walls
David
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milocomarty
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 6:53:28 PM
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Would give it a try with a less dilluted woodglue. Sign in place and gently stippled on from the front. Think the inks starting to bleed with to much moist..
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LaRueD
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 7:34:20 PM
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... or don't print it on tissue paper ... this is on light bond pre-wet with lens cleaner fluid (unsealed) ... but before someone opens a can of worms, granted there are many techniques to apply signs ...
Delbert
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UKGuy
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 10:59:40 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by LaRueD
... but before someone opens a can of worms, granted there are many techniques to apply signs ...
Delbert
Sulphur Springs Valley, Arizona
Indeed Delbert...
photocopy paper.....
Tissue paper.....
Karl.A
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LaRueD
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 11:25:56 PM
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Frank Palmer
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Posted - 08/07/2012 : 09:17:39 AM
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Great stuff, any chance Delbert or Karl will share their secret method with us?
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postalkarl
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Posted - 08/07/2012 : 10:00:58 AM
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Hi All:
I print my signs on regular copy paper. I don't sand them. I put 3M 465 tape on the back. They then get applied to the wall and burnished into the clap boards with a tonge depressor stick. that's about it. I'm not sure how I'd handle a brick wall. That would require a different technique unless it is an applied sign. The The tecnique wouldn't change.
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UKGuy
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Nelson458
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Posted - 08/07/2012 : 5:17:11 PM
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One trick that may be common, but hadn't heard of it before is what I discovered. Having a microscope helps, I have to admit. However, many signs I have are already printed, commercially, or where ever from, and are too thick to apply as is. Soooo.....I lay the sign upside down (print side down) under the microscope, a low enough zoom to see the whole thing (actually, a good visor with a mag. lens should work too, I just happen to like seeing things blown up...in size that is). Put a few drops of water from an eye dropper on the paper, and almost withing seconds, you can start peeling, use a sharp exacto blade in a comfortable handle, and just start at one edge and roll back the back side of the sign like a roll, wetting more as you go or as needed. Scrape any little bits that stick around to get it as thin as you think you can handle. What you are finally left with is the emulsion of the sign, or just the ink part.
Carefully pick up the sign with some not too sharp tweezers, and place on your cutting board or something, wood works, and gently brush on some white glue, which can be thinned down if you want. Then pick it up again and place on the wall. Alternately, you could put the glue wash on the wall first I suppose. Once it is on, I use my fingers, a brush or what ever to blend it into the structure.
Now, although I have not tried this next step, you might be able to lightly sand some of the sign to dull it a bit and give it a little more transparency. Something I would try on a scrap sign on a test wall, but it sounds like it would work.
Tony B.
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Frank Palmer
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Posted - 08/07/2012 : 6:46:48 PM
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Thanks Karl and Karl and Tony, great ideas.
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closetguy
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Posted - 08/07/2012 : 10:55:51 PM
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Hi All
How do you print on tissue paper?
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UKGuy
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Posted - 08/07/2012 : 11:16:22 PM
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Hi Mike,
the link I posted in my previous post explains my method.
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anubis51
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 12:15:45 AM
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A good discussion.
May I suggest printing your design with an inkjet printer on plain bond paper, and the next day (after the ink has completely dried), using a length of adhesive tape (packing or masking), applied to the back, unprinted side of the paper, covering your design.
Burnish this down with an appropriate blunt implement, and then grip one end of the tape with thumb and fingers and pull it smartly off the paper.
This will remove some of the paper thickness.
If it is not thin enough, repeat the process until you have the paper as thin as you need it. It is surprising how thin you can get the paper, while the printed design on the front side remains intact, clear and sharp.
You can then cut out your design and apply it to your brick, or cladding wall surface with PVA glue. Use a stiff brush to stipple your design, and it will bond nicely to the wall, allowing the wall texture to show through.
After it has dried, it can then be overcoated with Dullcote, to remove the sheen.
This works, guys! 
John
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Tabooma County Rwy
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 09:12:29 AM
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Mike,
Some folks tape their tissue paper onto some copy paper, like Karl explained in his tutorial.
I happen to have some 8 1/2 x 11 "air mail" paper I found in an old stationary store, that runs through my ink jet printer just fine as is.
Al Carter
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Hi All
How do you print on tissue paper?
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closetguy
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Posted - 08/08/2012 : 7:19:58 PM
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Thank you Karl and Al
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