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Thorn Creek and Western
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 Posted - 07/16/2012 : 6:53:56 PM
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Acetone seems to work well as a solvent for Floquil enamel. Does anyone know why it can't be used as a substitute for Testors Universal Enamel Thinner?
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Dutchman
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 7:48:46 PM
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Dave,
I have always used paint thinner to both clean brushes and thin the paint when using Flouquil paints (bottle version).
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slimrails
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Posted - 07/16/2012 : 10:43:18 PM
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Paint manufacturers like to keep you guessing. Acetone works with Floquil because it has the properties of lacquer. I have always used acetone to thin Floquil paints and 1:1 industrial lacquers when I worked in my trade. It dries quickly and makes for an easy clean up. A little goes a long way. 
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mwbpequod
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 07:41:48 AM
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The only caveat that I can think of might be the rapid evaporation rate of acetone and how that impacts drying for your specific use as well as it's being prone to being "wet" and miscible with water. If that's not a problem and you're working with the usual safe levels of ventilation, then by all means use what works.
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vamodeler
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 08:22:27 AM
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Every had problems using a thinner with Floquil and have the Floquil paint turn into pudding over time?
Having lost several bottles to this strange occurrence, I never pour thinned paint back into the bottle. I have never used acetone, just paint thinner (mineral spirits), lacquer thinner, and the new testors all in one thinner, supposedly good with Floquil paints.
Sure would like to see the MSDS sheet on that Tester/Floquil thinner. I am amazed they can sell it without telling you what's in it.
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mocibob
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 10:30:05 AM
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Floquil paint is enamel, not lacquer. If you thin it with acetone, it will clabber up in the bottle. A few years ago, I ran out of my stash of Dio-Sol, and couldn't find any. I called Testors, and was told that plain old paint thinner will work fine as a thinner. I've been using it ever since, with no problems.
I do, however, use MEK to clean up the airbrush and brushes.
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Thorn Creek and Western
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 2:12:34 PM
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Originally posted by vamodeler
Every had problems using a thinner with Floquil and have the Floquil paint turn into pudding over time? Having lost several bottles to this strange occurrence, I never pour thinned paint back into the bottle...
Yes. I've had that same problem. That's one of the reasons I'm asking about acetone.
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...Sure would like to see the MSDS sheet on that Tester/Floquil thinner. I am amazed they can sell it without telling you what's in it.
Me too. I also wonder why it's so pricey-- $18.90/pint at my LHS.
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visman48
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 2:29:32 PM
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Remember all that there is or was 2 Floquil formulas, they even swapped out thinners. The new thinner in the old paint, makes for gunky paint...like cottage cheese.
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Mark R.
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 5:19:57 PM
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Old Floquil was laquer based (it would easily craze plastic if you didn't use a primer or Barrier under it), and the new Floquil is enamel based.
It's been mentioned a couple times in this thread to use "paint thinner". What exactly are you using ? Laquer thinners, acetone, xylol, mineral spirits, varsol, etc. are all "paint thinners" !
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Dutchman
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 5:26:27 PM
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Originally posted by Mark R.
It's been mentioned a couple times in this thread to use "paint thinner". What exactly are you using ? Laquer thinners, acetone, xylol, mineral spirits, varsol, etc. are all "paint thinners" !
Mark.
Mark, in my case the "paint thinner" is mineral spirits.
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mocibob
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 10:04:26 PM
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Not laquer thinner, not MEK, not acetone, go to the hardware store and get a can of the stuff that is labeled "Paint Thinner". The Brits call it "spirits".
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Mark R.
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 10:38:34 PM
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I've got one of those generic hardware store bottles of "paint thinner", and on the back under first aid treatment, it says "contains mineral spirits" .... smells like plain 'ole mineral spirits as well.
Doesn't that really slow down the drying time of the paint ? Mineral spirits sure isn't known for its high flash time !
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teaspoon
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Posted - 07/17/2012 : 11:12:50 PM
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Sure would like to see the MSDS sheet on that Tester/Floquil thinner. I am amazed they can sell it without telling you what's in it.
As a former spraypainter who became disabled at 42 years old, please use caution when working around these products. MEK is especially bad. Wear a respirator, and gloves. Use proper ventilation, and plenty of common sense. Steve
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djdutch
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 02:56:51 AM
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or you can go for acrylic paints better for the healthiness use some simpel alcohol to thin the paint or water ;)
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bitlerisvj
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 10:41:49 AM
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Yep, like a lot of folks here said, Paint Thinner (mineral spirits) works just fine, BUT it has been my experience that the finish is comes out pretty shiny. This is not necessarily bad if you are putting decals on. If you want a flat finish, you can use lacquer thinner and spray it like you used the old Floquil. It is not exactly the same, but comes close. In neither case, do I ever pour it back in the bottle, hmm, come to think of it, I never used to pour it back in using the old stuff either.
Someone also mentioned that using Acrylics is a lot easier. I completely agree and find that Polyscale paints can be airbrushed dead flat very easily.
Good luck and regards, Vic Bitleris
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Originally posted by mocibob
Floquil paint is enamel, not lacquer. If you thin it with acetone, it will clabber up in the bottle. A few years ago, I ran out of my stash of Dio-Sol, and couldn't find any. I called Testors, and was told that plain old paint thinner will work fine as a thinner. I've been using it ever since, with no problems.
I do, however, use MEK to clean up the airbrush and brushes.
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mwbpequod
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Posted - 07/18/2012 : 6:18:21 PM
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In neither case, do I ever pour it back in the bottle, hmm, come to think of it, I never used to pour it back in using the old stuff either.
Writing as an old chemist, once something is out of the bottle, it's either trash or goes into a separate bottle.................
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.where it gets stored on a shelf until I forget what it was for and dispose of it,
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