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Frederic Testard
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 1:45:32 PM
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Pat, I have a problem with the idea of a continuous run joining the harbour side to the sawmill. First it will make everything on the same level, second this continuity may be quite odd from an aesthetic point of view, by connecting two places that should be very remote.
Another problem is the location of Shelby's. If there's a track it must be behind the Shelby's diorama so either the dio is oriented so that the water is near the top of the drawing (more or less like in the first plan) but then you have to have the water 'inside' the peninsula and limited access for track to the top part of the peninsula, or you have the water outside (lower and upper part of the peninsula) which gives a nice switching place in between as in the second plan, but then I can't see how to insert a believable loop there without feeling the place with track.
In this second plan, you must no forget that all the dashed lines represent hidden track, so the long wall can be a very mountainous area with a very small amount of track, and the harbour area has really a minimal amount of rails.
Let us know what you feel.
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Schoolmaster
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 Posted - 02/29/2012 : 2:27:50 PM
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Frederic, I know that you have a much better vision of this than me because you have been much more involved. I like the first plan.
It would be possible to increase the radius of the harbor loop, move the spur before the bridge to the inside and shift the lumber loading to a quay beside and at a slight angle to the mainline, although the harbor bridge will still be too low for masts to pass under it, this will increase the run slightly.
belg's reuqirement for 2% grades makes it hard to get elevation without hidden tracks.
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Frederic Testard
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 2:59:16 PM
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John, could you make a little sketch, please? It doesn't have to be elaborate, just the idea?
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Schoolmaster
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 3:12:11 PM
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Certainment, mais plus tard.
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belg
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 3:16:40 PM
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John, I have not thought of exactly how many turnouts would be best for me. The only thing I have build like this I have done by the seat of my pants and laid track 5 or 6 times til I was sort of happy with it. My main problem is that I can't visualize what I can and can't fit into the space. Frederic this kind of brings me around to what you were saying about them being in such close proximity, the layout is so condensed and small maybe if we took and made a scenic divide right before the liftout we could make a workaround for this. I would be fine with having to build 2 tracks accross the liftout at angles and heights to make it work. If this is just sounding completely ridiculous let me know. Thanks for the interest as always Pat
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TrainClown
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 3:49:04 PM
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Well, here is my first attempt. Only a 2% grade and I threw in some scenery for the hell of it.
Making track plans is fun and looking at what might be possible within a space is all very good, but it's merely an exercise, really. In fact to build a layout to a set plan is a royal pain in the patoot and can lead to frustration and disappointment.
What I would say to you is this. look at track plans and gain ideas of how you would like it to be. Then start building the thing. Build the bench work to the size you want and then start to lay out the track. Sort out where your dioramas will go and move the track accordingly to fit the situations as they arise. Build the elevations for the track after you decide how it will run and as needed. As you go you can decide where you want the water fronts, gorges, tunnels and other scenic features you want to incorporate. I think if you take this approach you will have a better experience and be more pleased with the results than if you try to make it look like a preconceived plan.
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Schoolmaster
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 4:04:42 PM
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Someting like this Frederic
The area is 96" x 48" and can be adjusted.
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Frederic Testard
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 4:40:45 PM
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Yes, I like the opportunities this offers.
Christopher, I essentially agree with what you say, but at least some serious thinking about grades and curvatures tells you what is reasonable and what is really not.
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Frederic Testard
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 5:44:12 PM
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And there's even some room for Shelby's near the place I had marked in plan 1.
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Schoolmaster
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 6:41:41 PM
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I know. That was part of the plan
The bait and tackle shop can easily fit nearby and there's room of other martitime buildings too.
I was thinking of the Cimarron #1 ore bin under the track by the harbor bridge with the mine head itself elsewhere or re-purposed.
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belg
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 9:16:41 PM
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john could I ask you to draw in your ideas please. Perhaps add Shelbys as well since its your plan.
Chris this is pretty close to my own original plan that I drew with a pencil. Just angled the section to allow access to the window but the plan put out by John seems to make real good sense, just want to see how the different ideas fit in. What you suggest with laying track is how i did my first layout and was not totally happy with it but put into motion just to get going on something, since I'm not in a huge hurry want to take time to work thru with you guys what will or not work in this space.
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Schoolmaster
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 9:48:55 PM
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The edge of the water is 'flexible' and most structures you would want will fit. IIRC Shelby's doen't need rail access so I think I'd put it near the harbor edge the rune NE/SW inside the loop.
I don't want to be dismissive, but structure placement is crucial to establishing 'vision' and theme and I don't want to impose my views on you, even if you do.
Even if this were my own railroad, I would make sure that there was space for structures (which there is) but not decide on final placement until after the track was laid and the sight lines established.
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Schoolmaster
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Posted - 03/01/2012 : 6:07:53 PM
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As per your PM, what structures are you looking to put on the layout; preferably a list of names and manufacturers and general location?
I've already assumed
Sierra Wests Shelbys.
Banta Model Works cimarron #1 mine.
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belg
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Schoolmaster
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Posted - 03/02/2012 : 6:54:49 PM
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This plan is a lot simpler. Are you sure you will be satisfied with that little track, or is your main focus on the structures? The minimum radius is huge too, the curve will look very scenic.
Since the structures you linked to are already built, I need to know their footprint size before I can place them properly. Very nice construction too.
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