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hon3_rr
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 Posted - 01/04/2011 : 11:11:14 AM
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“Have you ever wanted to redo a model to ‘dress it up’ once it is set in a diorama? How about trying the model in a different scale, or
add in some other kits which can really ‘kick-up’ the final scene?”
The above statement was part of my closing comments from the Silverado
Mine diorama completed last year. The build thread can be located at:
http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25712&whichpage=1
The opening paragraph is the “mission statement” for this new thread
AND YOU ARE INVITED TO JOIN IN. Over the next 6 weeks or so we will
have some meetings and discuss plans on how we can bring that ore
bearing rock to the surface and what surface structures we may want to
build.
Actual construction is projected to start in mid February, so
everyone will have time to get the wood and other needed components to
their building sites. There is also a very strong commitment from the
Gilpin Tram management team to have tracks available to be picking up
ore from the various mine sites in time for the Seattle National Narrow
Gauge convention, so we have about 2 years to build the mine dioramas.
For my part, I plan to again use the Silverado Mine plan set from CC
Crow. I have decided to build the mine again, but in O-scale and dress
up the structure with items which I wish I had added to the completed HO
model, such as more platforms, outside stairways, tension rods, etc.
I’ll add a larger overall mine scene, with a couple more tipples and a
ore tram track and steam pipes crossing the main tracks.
***THE BIG PLAN***
I have decided to add at least two, and possibly three, SierraWest Scale
Model kits to the diorama. One will be the O-scale Tool Shed which is
currently under construction.
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26900&whichpage=16
The second will be the O-scale Mill Engine and Boilerhouse. Most of
the modifications to the second kit will be in the form of interior
castings. I think if one looks, you can probably see how the Boilerhouse
kit can be fairly easily substituted for the hoist house on the
completed HO diorama.
http://sierrawestscalemodels.com/oscale/300/300.shtml
And yes, I will be keeping the big boiler and steam engine. It's the far back wall which
will be modified.
With a bit of modification the new SierraWest Scale Models Wood Cutter’s Shack
can become a compressor house. Anvil Mountain Models ( http://www.anvilmountainmodels.com ) has some ore bins
which will be used to provide additional interest to and expand the
diorama scene. A water tank and explosives bunker will also be included
in the distant hillsides of the diorama.
As a side note, by holding construction off until mid-February, it will
allow time for those who need it to complete current projects. (For myself, I will be completing a Hunted House build.) So if
you are interested in joining in, we would love to have you.
You may have noted by the thread title that there are at least two mines
going up here. I’ll turn over the soap box to Michael (aka:
silveradonorthern) for a few words.
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Edited by - hon3_rr on 01/04/2011 11:35:27 AM
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UKGuy
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 11:17:11 AM
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“Have you ever wanted to redo a model to ‘dress it up’ once it is set in a diorama?"
Everytime I build something...... 
Looking forward to following along Kris.
Karl.A
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Frederic Testard
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 11:20:33 AM
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Considering the impressive level of detailing and finishing you've displayed on your latest builds, Kris, I'm really looking forward to seeing this 'dress it up'.
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silveradonorthern
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 12:00:23 PM
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quote:
You may have noted by the thread title that there are at least two mines
going up here. I’ll turn over the soap box to Michael (aka:
silveradonorthern) for a few words.
Hi Everyone,
Well as Kris said there are at least two mines being constructed here. The thread title is a dead giveaway so it should come as no surprise that I’ll be building the Leaverite Mine from a plan set also offered by Builders In Scale
http://www.builders-in-scale.com/bis/plans.html
For those who don’t already know C.C. Crow (owner of BIS) sells plan sets for all of the old retired BIS kits.
I’ll be building my Leaverite Mine pretty much per the plans with some minor changes possible. Most likely the hoist house will be different but just how I haven’t determined. As with Kris, my diorama will have numerous secondary structures most probably of my own design.
As the thread progresses over the next six weeks or so I’ll detail my “Grand Plan” so stay tuned.
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Ensign
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 12:55:15 PM
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"A tale Of Two Mines" It was the best of mines & the worst of mines.Sorry Kris, I could not resist the play on words from the opening words of the Dicken's classic that obviously inspired your title of this impressive sounding project.
This will be fun to see what you two can dig up.
Greg Shinnie
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TRAINS1941
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 1:20:58 PM
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SOUNDS LIKE A CLASSIC BUILD TO ME!!!
This ought to be good count me in for the follow along!!!
Jerry
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BBLmber
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 Posted - 01/04/2011 : 3:26:40 PM
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It will be very interesting to follow along watching these two mines being built in 1/4" scale.
Mark
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hon3_rr
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Posted - 01/07/2011 : 11:43:19 AM
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In the opening post I indicated that we would have some conversations about the planning and thought process which ultimately ended up becoming this project.
The last thread, to my knowledge, which contained the actual planning process between two or more individuals for a joint build was between Frederic Testard and Troels Kirk. (I think it was Troels, please correct me guys if I'm wrong.) Forum members, including myself, really enjoyed seeing this part of the build. As Michael and I have had multiple e-mail conversations on topics such as wood coloring, diorama planning and tools to be used in the modeling process; we thought that we would post those conversations prior to actual construction of the dioramas to assist others in their modeling projects and also assist in the understanding what we are doing.
Please feel free to make comments on these conversations as the comments may help us, as well as others, think about other ideas and techniques which may be used during the course of our modeling projects.
We also hope that your input and our conversations over the next few weeks will make it easier for a couple of other folks to join us in this project.
Back in July of last year, I posted a note about providing some gas pump signs if anybody wanted them. Michael took me up on the offer, and in the process we started a conversation about wood coloring. This is where we will pick up the ‘conversation’. We were in part discussing weathering wood and the coloring of the tipple shown below which I had posted in the first Silverado Mine thread.
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Could you please keep me advised as to how your staining process is going? Please feel free to send me any extra pictures you may take of the siding which you don't post on the forum, even if you feel the picture is no good. By studying your pictures and techniques I hope to come in with something close to what we're after.
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CieloVistaRy
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Posted - 01/07/2011 : 4:39:51 PM
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I will be following this!
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Oliver W. Jr.
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Posted - 01/07/2011 : 7:20:00 PM
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One thing to remember: the dramatic orange-and-purple weathered wood coloration evident on some long-abandoned and minimally maintained structures may not accurately reflect those structures' appearance during active use.
Is the challenge specific to kit-based Western hard rock mines? I've got a hankering to build a phosphate mine, but there aren't any relevant kits there are no phosphate mines in Colorado.
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silveradonorthern
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Posted - 01/07/2011 : 11:07:08 PM
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Hi Everyone,
When Kris first ask how one might go about creating the orange/brown/blackish color of his pictured ore tipple, I thought the key might be to use a brown ink thinned way down. From some testing I'd done I knew brown ink (Bombay Brown) has a orange cast when thinned, so I sent Kris the following email:
Yesterday I had a few minutes to work with some siding colors. The picture shows where I'm at right now. I tried to adjust the brightness to show the colors as I see them on my monitor.
These are the colors and basically the order that each chalk was used on the board.
#1 Brown Alcohol Stain (4tsp. Bombay Brown into small amount of water then add alcohol to make one pint) 2 tray soaks of ten minutes drying about an hour between.
#2 Brown Alcohol Stain then distressed with stiff wire brush.
#3 Brown Alcohol Stain
Burnt Sienna 411.5
Burnt Umber 409.5
Grey 404.3
Black 700.5
#4 Brown Alcohol Stain
Burnt Umber 409.5
Grey 404.3
Black 700.5
Grey 404.7
Grey 404.9
#5 Brown Alcohol Stain
Burnt Umber 409.5 Black 700.5
#6 Brown Alcohol Stain
Burnt Umber 409.5
Set w/Alcohol
Burnt Umber 409.5
Gold Ochre 231.5 Black 700.5
* All chalks are Rembrandt brand and numbers set with alcohol.
I'm undecided about these colors they certainly fall within the spectrum of my target color(s) but they may be a bit dark. I like them all but I think my favorite numbers are 5 & 6. I'm not sure if I need to add some more grey parts to the boards. The fence I'm using as reference has some boards that are only the greyish browns so I might need to work in that area some more. I'm still very much in experiment mode. I've got five boards that I'm going to give the full monty (Cracks, Knotholes and nail marks and then I can make a better determination. I'll send a picture when I get that done
Well the full monty test never really happened. I struggled to get what I was looking for and ended up putting it aside. At that time I just couldn't get my head in the right place.
Coloring Topic To Be Continued
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One thing to remember: the dramatic orange-and-purple weathered wood coloration evident on some long-abandoned and minimally maintained structures may not accurately reflect those structures' appearance during active use.
Oliver I've been think a lot along those lines. It will be the middle of next week before I can really sit down and put my thoughts into a cohesive form. Some of it Kris and I have discussed and some will be new to him as well.
I would like to thank everyone who came forward and said they'll be following this thread. I hope everyone enjoys the ride.
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wesleybeks
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 03:31:46 AM
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Wow this is going to be really awesome to follow.
I have to agree with you Michael. 5 and 6 look the best to me.
How did you apply the chalks to the boards?
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silveradonorthern
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 12:07:06 PM
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Hi Everyone,
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How did you apply the chalks to the boards?
Wes I used a 'new' single edge razor blade and scraped the chalk right onto the boards, then with a stiff bristle brush moved the chalk around leaving it heavier in spots. When it looked good I then set the chalk with denatured alcohol.I applied the alcohol with a jabbing stroke rather than a brushing motion. You can achieve different results just in the way you set the chalk. Rubbing alcohol would work or you can use mineral spirits. I prefer the D.A. as it dries very quickly.
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Is the challenge specific to kit-based Western hard rock mines? I've got a hankering to build a phosphate mine, but there aren't any relevant kits there are no phosphate mines in Colorado.
Oliver I don't see a problem with you adding your phosphate mine build to this thread. I'd like to see just what a phosphate mine looks like. Can you post a picture or a link to one?
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hon3_rr
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 12:28:03 PM
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Oliver, I also would like to invite you to join in on this project. The only real 'challenge' is to have a completed diorama or layout scene in time for the National Narrow Gauge Convention to be held in Bellevue, WA in 2012, about 2 years from now. The time frame should allow for the building of a great diorama at a comfortable pace.
Also, I have never seen a phosphate mine and I don't recall such a build being posted on the forum, so I think it would be a wonderful addition to this thread.
I guess my only concern is making sure the Gilpin Tram guys lay track to your mine site. ... When I floated the idea, I told them that they **may** get the opportunity to interchange with a standard gauge road somewhere, so they appear to be on board too.
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Frederic Testard
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 5:38:47 PM
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With all the projects on which I'm far behind (one of them on a very mining theme with Kris himself) I wonder if I can even mention my interest for this 'challenge'. Yet, near the stamp mill I'll build with Kris someday, there's a project for a mine. If timeframes are not too distinct, I might thus become part of the project.
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hon3_rr
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 9:17:26 PM
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YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad to have you on board Frederic! You can do this over the next two years. This could get real interesting!
By the time we get the mill built, we'll have to rename her to 'OLD' instead of 'LITTLE'. Heck, if you need, you can continue this mine build when we do the mill... kind of a M&M thing....
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