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Thorn Creek and Western
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Posted - 04/20/2010 :  02:21:54 AM  Show Profile  Visit Thorn Creek and Western's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So Ed, my photographer friend, emails me the other day and cheerfully sez,
"It's that time again: annual Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day"
"Again?" sez I, "yuh mean I've missed it before?" So I zooms over to their website-- http://www.pinholeday.org/ and, sure enough, I sees I've missed the day for the past nine years!


And then I vows never to write in this annoying present tense style again.

But seriously, since there is so much close-up model photography posted on the forum I wonder how many here have experimented with a pinhole lens. I know Bob Boudreau and I have, but has anyone else?
-Dave



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Thorn Creek and Western
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Posted - 04/20/2010 :  4:16:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit Thorn Creek and Western's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I told my friend, Ed, that I posted a link to Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day here, so he sent me a couple of leads for someone wanting to get started--

http://usa.shop.lomography.com/cameras/pinhole-cameras

http://www.adorama.com/searchsite/default.aspx?searchinfo=pinhole

(These are commercial sites. I have no vested interest in them.)
-Dave


-Dave

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darrylhuffman
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Posted - 05/07/2010 :  5:04:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I keep my old Nikon SLR simply because I have a Fricko pinhole lens that I love.

Here is my own personal favorite of all my pinhole photos. The photo is of my HO saw mill and was taken in 1986.



Unfortunately, the professional photography people in the hobby look down their collective noses at pinhole photography because of the lack of sharp contrast.

But I think you can get beautiful photos using the pinhole that you simply cannot get any other way.



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railphotog
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Posted - 05/07/2010 :  5:30:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit railphotog's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Darryl and Dave:

Way back when I was using film cameras, I had great luck with my home made pinhole aperture mounted in a Vivitar 28mm lens. I think it was more luck than anything, but it did take fairly sharp photos. This is an HO scale Athearn F-7:



I had quite a few of my pinhole photos published in the model press, including 7 covers in color.

I also had a Fricko lens cap with a stainless steel insert having a pinhole, with an added "co-lens" in front of it all. It was fairly sharp, but the sharpness only started about 5" from the front of the lens; it gave the view of a 50mm lens. I could almost have subjects touching the front of the pinhole equipped lens, as using a 28mm wide angle lens added to the depth quality.

Alas, the lens does not work well with my DSLR and its smaller sensor. So I stick to an extreme wide angle lens - a Tamron 11-18mm.

It was fun while it lasted!




Bob Boudreau
My model railroad photography website:
http://sites.google.com/site/railphotog/

Edited by - railphotog on 05/07/2010 5:32:22 PM

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Thorn Creek and Western
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Posted - 05/08/2010 :  12:22:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit Thorn Creek and Western's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Darryl and Bob--
What terrific modeling and gorgeous photos!
-Dave


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eTraxx
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Posted - 05/08/2010 :  10:41:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit eTraxx's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Cool. I looked around and found a DIY for a pinhole camera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC9SlWkL4L4



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cnj999
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  10:54:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are a couple of shots I took this morning using a 28mm W/A lens I modified myself by inserting an f/55 pinhole witnin the lens system. I didn't spend much time on precise focusing this morning, so these images aren't really the best this particular lens can do.





I've used pinhole lenses of my own making for doing model railroad shots for many, many years now, but do so much less now in conjunction with my digital camera. This is because I can get nearly the same results employing modern UW/A lenses together with PhotoShop manipulation.

John (CNJ999)



Edited by - cnj999 on 05/19/2010 11:47:27 AM

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Thorn Creek and Western
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  2:47:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit Thorn Creek and Western's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cnj999


...I've used pinhole lenses of my own making for doing model railroad shots for many, many years now, but do so much less now in conjunction with my digital camera. This is because I can get nearly the same results employing modern UW/A lenses together with PhotoShop manipulation.

John (CNJ999)


I think that what you say is true, John, of many of us who used to take pinhole model shots with our SLR film cameras.

Your f/55 pinhole is a good one. Those impressive loco shots are quite sharp. I can't even tell what scale it is because there are no depth-of-field giveaways. (I'd guess HO because of the coupler.) How far back was the backdrop?
-Dave


-Dave

Edited by - Thorn Creek and Western on 05/19/2010 2:50:42 PM

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cnj999
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Posted - 05/19/2010 :  9:05:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Creek and Western

quote:
Originally posted by cnj999


...I've used pinhole lenses of my own making for doing model railroad shots for many, many years now, but do so much less now in conjunction with my digital camera. This is because I can get nearly the same results employing modern UW/A lenses together with PhotoShop manipulation.

John (CNJ999)


I think that what you say is true, John, of many of us who used to take pinhole model shots with our SLR film cameras.

Your f/55 pinhole is a good one. Those impressive loco shots are quite sharp. I can't even tell what scale it is because there are no depth-of-field giveaways. (I'd guess HO because of the coupler.) How far back was the backdrop?
-Dave



Dave, the loco is indeed HO and the backdrop was about 20"-24" behind it.

For comparison, I'm adding the quicky shot below made using my normal 19mm UW/A lens (please excuse the dust on the car!) to demonstrate what I said previously about non-pinhole UW/A lenses doing a nearly as good job for me these days. The lens was set at f/22 and front of the lens was only about 4"(!) from the car. Note, however, that the extreme background is not nearly as sharp as in the pinhole photo. Nevertheless, it's a much better shot than you would get with a Macro setting on a standard lens.



John (CNJ999)



Edited by - cnj999 on 05/19/2010 9:09:12 PM

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railphotog
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Posted - 05/20/2010 :  05:29:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit railphotog's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've also turned to an ultra wide angle lens for my fun closeup shots. This is a copy of a pinhole photo taken on slide film. The original won first place in MR's annual photo contest many moons ago:





Here's how it was taken, using a Tamron 11-18mm lens at 11mm and f/22:



I couldn't get quite as close as I could with the pinhole aperture equipped 28mm slide shot, so I just moved the camera back a bit and cropped the image later.




Bob Boudreau
My model railroad photography website:
http://sites.google.com/site/railphotog/

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Frederic Testard
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Posted - 05/21/2010 :  02:09:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Great shot, and great shot of the shot, Bob.


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Thorn Creek and Western
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Posted - 05/22/2010 :  01:01:56 AM  Show Profile  Visit Thorn Creek and Western's Homepage  Reply with Quote
John, your automobile photo does confirm that modern digital cameras eliminate the need for pinholes in many cases. Even with my cheapo Kodak digital I can place the subject 4.7 inches from the lens and get a decent depth-of-field.

Bob, I remember well that terrific shot with the foreground plows.
-Dave


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Ken Hamilton
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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  1:31:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit Ken Hamilton's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That plow photo is one of my all-time favorite model pictures.

Ken Hamilton
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R.BOUDREAUX
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Posted - 06/13/2010 :  7:24:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seems like I remember John Allen was a master at this pinhole photography.

It wasn't very popular then, but he turned out some good looking pics.

RichBo



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railphotog
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Posted - 06/13/2010 :  8:57:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit railphotog's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by R.BOUDREAUX

Seems like I remember John Allen was a master at this pinhole photography.

It wasn't very popular then, but he turned out some good looking pics.

RichBo



I don't recall seeing anything that he used pinhole equipped cameras - or did I miss something? Remember John was a professional photographer and no doubt had access to all kinds of specialised cameras, many that could probably stop down to minimum apertures.



Bob Boudreau
My model railroad photography website:
http://sites.google.com/site/railphotog/

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cnj999
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Posted - 06/14/2010 :  7:35:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by R.BOUDREAUX

Seems like I remember John Allen was a master at this pinhole photography.

It wasn't very popular then, but he turned out some good looking pics.

RichBo



While John Allen occasionally employed a pinhole lens for his model photography, he was hardly a master at it. Any claimed realism in John's work was far, far surpassed at the time by traction modeler William Clouser's pinhole images. The photos of his models and modeled scenes were absolutely indistinguishable from trackside images of the prototype!

In the last quarter of the 20th century, Vic Roseman was unquestionably the absolute master of pinhole (and semi-pinhole) photography when it came to model railroad photography. For his photos, often of the CNJ, he seamlessy blended actual location backgrounds with his highly detailed/modified HO models set up in the foreground.

CNJ999



Edited by - cnj999 on 06/14/2010 11:22:25 PM

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