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Do you think the design of the porch dictates that? In front of the tracks the station presents a large viewblock, which may be fine. Will it compete with the incline scene behind it? My first impression of the Frijole Flats station was it represents a larger operation than the ES&G ... possibly a transfer point with 36 inch or standard gauge. Otherwise, if you are not excited about using the small station at that location, could you possibly put a copper company structure there. Maybe a bathouse, commisary, etc. How does the big station look when you take a wide panoramic view of that side of the layout? Mark Visit my Piedmont & East Blue Ridge Railroad http://www.eastblueridge.com Country: USA | Posts: 1075 MinerFortyNiner Fireman Premium Member Posted - 06/03/2012 :  10:08:59 AM     All very valid comments, Mark. Here are some photos of a revised arrangement: Here is a view coming into the railroad room. From the southwest... From the northwest...this side would have a small covered patio with a few benches, which would be open to allow the viewer to see through the structure a bit more (a great suggestion from Dallas, thanks amigo). I am considering 'chopping' the structure about two scale feet between the windows and the decorative parapet above...reducing the height by about 15%. Might help keep it from looking so imposing. This station is the southern terminus of my little E&SG, where it connects with the Arroyo Verde & Western. So, it's a 'joint station' so to speak, and could be the most prominent structure on the E&SG. After all, Estrella is just a remote mining camp off in the mountains, so this is Corporate Central! I appreciate any and all comments...keep them coming, I will try photoshopping a shorter station later today just to get an idea how that might help. Edited by - MinerFortyNiner on 06/03/2012 10:14:29 AM Country: USA | Posts: 2028 kc5gxl New Hire Posted - 06/03/2012 :  10:26:50 AM   Hello all; I just caught this topic this morning, and may be way behind on what's going on. However, if this station is used by both the mining railroad, and it's interchange point, and it may well be the central point of interest, then I think it is not too imposing. Have you photoshopped how the building will look after it is completed, painted and weathered? If so, how does that look? At any rate, just a couple of my thoughts. It looks good, that's for sure! GT Dan Orange Texas Country: USA | Posts: 46 MinerFortyNiner Fireman Premium Member Posted - 06/03/2012 :  10:45:44 AM     Dan, thanks for your comments! There is a photo on the previous page of the completed model, I would however choose different colors. Here is the station with 'a little more off the top': And for comparison, the original: Ideally, I would prefer the station on the far side of the tracks, but that's impossible in San Lorenzo...and if I don't use it here, it means I don't use it on the layout. I have decided to re-zone its original location to scenic/desert rather than another town. Edited by - MinerFortyNiner on 06/03/2012 11:13:21 AM Country: USA | Posts: 2028 elminero67 Engine Wiper Posted - 06/03/2012 :  11:12:10 AM   The shorter version of the station looks more proportioned. Country: USA | Posts: 386 andykins Fireman Posted - 06/03/2012 :  11:40:05 AM     yes i like the shorter vesion too while i think it does look a little large, i think it still suits very well, heck why wouldnt they build such a station? bit of money left over, go all out on the station. look forward to seeing it done :) "Is it really "rivet counting" if it's regarding NBW castings?" Unknown Country: United Kingdom | Posts: 3951 centercab Engine Wiper Posted - 06/03/2012 :  12:12:00 PM   Verne - I think the short version looks great! The position in front of the tracks...it just works for me. ------------------------- Chuck Country: USA | Posts: 225 MinerFortyNiner Fireman Premium Member Posted - 06/04/2012 :  03:21:39 AM     quote: Originally posted by MinerFortyNiner I got a start on the modeling tonight, first by creating a template for the model base. I will cut it tomorrow from 3/4 birch plywood. It will be big enough to support the structure and about six scale feet of the surrounding scenery. The kit consists of cast Hydrocal walls for the station, a back wall for the waiting area (I will omit this wall) and resin castings for the ornate trim, doors, windows, etc. Here are the three types of walls, two main walls are included but I only show one in this photo. I began by cleaning up the wall castings. The castings are beautifully done by Tom, as are the decorative trim pieces. I used sanding sticks (flexible nail files from WalMart), files and a small bit of sandpaper. Next, I drilled eight holes as shown to accommodate lights on the facade each side of the station sign, and for wires that will extend across the interior to carry power and support the chandeliers. You can just see the brass chandeliers and micro 12v bulbs in the parts tray to the left rear of the previous photo. Here's a front wall with lights, station sign and decorative molding set in place. I wanted to lay this out and check dimensions before planning any cuts to shorten the station. I am glad I did...if I want these decorative lights, it will be difficult to 'scrunch' the station down much at all. There are decorative columns that will be placed each side of the doorway, so the lights can't go there. I like the arrangement of the components on the wall, but will sleep on the decision of cutting down the model. It's a bit taller than shown in Tom's original plans, and I suspect that was to give the station sign adequate space...and perhaps as a bit of a joke, with such an ostentatious edifice (two $50 words in a row, double-points!) for a little mining railroad. Perhaps the station was built in a time of prosperity, and this was their chance to make an architectural statement! EDIT: Here's the wall with the pilasters each side of the door, and the soffit in place. There's a lot going on with this wall! Edited by - MinerFortyNiner on 06/04/2012 10:08:12 AM Country: USA | Posts: 2028 milocomarty Fireman Posted - 06/04/2012 :  03:29:30 AM     Can't wait to see this finished Verne. Looks way better on your layout now it's shortened ! Grtz Martin.. http://cardiganbaycoastalrailroad.wordpress.com/ Country: Netherlands | Posts: 4971 MinerFortyNiner Fireman Premium Member Posted - 06/04/2012 :  12:25:32 PM     FLASH! In a startling development, miners of the Estrella Copper Co. voted unanimously in a secret meeting held last night to protest the construction of a new, big-time station in sleepy San Lorenzo. "We don't need no steenking station" said one union member who wished to remain anonymous. "The ferrocarril es bueno, but not this, not here!" This morning, a makeshift sign was seen at the site of the planned station. Stunned railroad and mining company executives, already committed to build the elaborate station somewhere, are looking at an undeveloped plot of land in Sonora Grande, several miles to the southeast. As the E&SG technically terminates at Sonora Grande (it shares trackage rights with the Arroyo Verde & Western between San Lorenzo and Sonora Grande), any passenger interchange between it and the AV&W will now be handled at the larger facility in Sonora Grande. A small flag stop, or perhaps a car repair facility, will be located here instead...leaving the panorama of the high line and the Cielo Incline unspoiled with any high profile structures. The fancy Spanish Colonial station will be incorporated in the unfinished section of the layout on the opposite side of the room, situated on the far side of the main line for optimum viewing. Stay tuned for developments...I will continue with the station project, for use in another spot. You can follow the build on this thread: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36976&whichpage=2 Edited by - MinerFortyNiner on 06/04/2012 12:38:27 PM Country: USA | Posts: 2028 MinerFortyNiner Fireman Premium Member Posted - 06/04/2012 :  12:34:25 PM     quote: Originally posted by quarryman Verne- Your very first photo of the completed Frijole Flats station shows it placed behind the tracks. Do you think the design of the porch dictates that? In front of the tracks the station presents a large viewblock, which may be fine. Will it compete with the incline scene behind it? Good call, senor Mark! I think it will work out much better in a site designed to show it off without distracting from the San Lorenzo / Cielo Incline area. I can place the station on the far side of the tracks (so the platform will be visible) and plan the scenery around it. Country: USA | Posts: 2028 quarryman Fireman Posted - 06/04/2012 :  1:59:34 PM     Verne- The big depot will indeed make a great anchor for a scene designed around it. As for the empty lot, I am thinking it might be a good spot for some good old fashioned Arizona ruins, per something on one of your CD sets. Up close to the fascia, small, low, overgrown. Think "WWFTD" : "what would Frederic Testard do?" Something that compliments the lines and forms from the back corner perhaps. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with, Mark Visit my Piedmont & East Blue Ridge Railroad http://www.eastblueridge.com Country: USA | Posts: 1075 MinerFortyNiner Fireman Premium Member Posted - 06/04/2012 :  3:05:13 PM     Hmmm...verrry interesting...thinking...adobe ruins...palo verde tree...scattered debris and details of an abandoned structure... PS: love that WWFTD? Country: USA | Posts: 2028 quarryman Fireman Posted - 06/04/2012 :  4:00:50 PM     Verne- An old shed at the edge of town might predate the railroad, having been a blacksmith shop, then a wagon repair shop. A lean-to was added when it became a machine shop. Then the railroad was built, and a much bigger new shop was built. The old blacksmith shop became a storage shed for all the old stuff no one used anymore. It is now in bad shape, maybe the doors have fallen off, part of the roof is missing, and all that antique junk is visible. To the careful observer who puts their nose right up against the fascia, that is. Just a thought, Mark Visit my Piedmont & East Blue Ridge Railroad http://www.eastblueridge.com Country: USA | Posts: 1075 MinerFortyNiner Fireman Premium Member Posted - 06/05/2012 :  12:18:06 AM     All good thoughts...an old blacksmith shop with a man shoeing a horse and a broken down wagon nearby is one concept I am considering. Another is an abandoned adobe structure that burned/fell down...it could have some cool junk around. Another idea is a small loading chute for cattle, and a simple barbed wire pen. That would actually give me an operations advantage I don't have now, and maybe get those cool stock car kits off the shelf and on the rails! So many choices, so little space... 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