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Engine Wiper

Posted - 03/21/2007 :  3:02:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello all,
I posted a question in the Diesel section of the
forum, but thought a posting here might also help.
I've going to add some transition diesels to my
future layout, freight haulers and switchers, and
have been all over the web looking at the FT
Diesel's. Because I'm trying to stay with the very
early 40's, the FT seemed to fit the bill.
Of the manufactures of the HO version, I wasn't
very impressed with the level of detail I saw
until I ran across the Intermountain Railway Co.
Since I'm very new to the RTR club, my question
is about the quality and detail of their offerings and the quality of their DCC electronics.
I don't have any Hobby shops anywhere near me
so I have to rely on web photos. I thought if
any of you have any of their products that you
can comment on, or if you have any F series
locomotives from other makers that you are
impressed with, you could steer me in the right
Thank you for any input,
P.S. I was so content to model steam until I
bought a SRMW #240 Diesel Shop to sit next to
my Brick Roundhouse, now look at me, heading to
the Dark Side. LOL

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Mike Hamer

Posted - 03/21/2007 :  5:24:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit Mike Hamer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Jack,

A few years ago I purchased my Boston and Maine FT from Stewart. When I got home and took it out of the box I noticed that the maroon sides "bled" up over and onto the black roof during the factory paintjob. Masking was required before my roof repaint...a little frustrating seeing as you pay good money for engines these days. Oh well!

I then added the numbers 4217 after a specific unit a friend, Don Hills, photographed some fifty years ago. Don worked for the B&M.

I wanted the grillwork to stand out, so I masked the entire body sides and sprayed black paint where the grills are and placed masking tape to indicate where the maroon supports can now be seen.

To this day, the unit has continued to run flawlessly on the layout. Other than the paint issue I had with my particular model, I would recommend this piece of equipment.

Here are a couple of pictures which I've posted before.

Brakeman's side of unit as seen on the layout proper.

Engineer's side of unit as seen in staging. (Say...what's that funny looking thing resting on the tracks beside the FT's?)

Mike Hamer
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Edited by - Mike Hamer on 03/21/2007 5:29:28 PM

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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  5:36:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit dougcoffey1950's Homepage  Send dougcoffey1950 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Jack, Welcome to the world of 1st generation diesels. I consider myself to be a 1920s era logging and mining kinda guy. I have been modeling it for almost 30 years.
One day I made the mistake of 'test' driving an Atlas RS-1 loco on the hobby shop test track. BIG MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!
I now have 2 of those, 3 S1s, 2 SW-1s, 3 NW-2s, 2 EMD model 40s and I'm still buying. All have been converted to DCC and most custom painted.
I never could do the F units though. They just look to much like station wagons to me.
My layout is still 1920 era, but every now and then I drop the diesels on and really enjoy operating them.
To 'fool' myself, I call the layout dual era. Nothing much scenery wise really changed between the 1920s and 1950, so I take off some 1890 built steam, leave the transition steamers on and add the 1940s diesels and call it 1950.
One day I'll get around to building some 1935-50 cars and trucks to swap out my 1920ish Jordan Vehicles and have a real dual era layout.
Don't feel too guilty Jack. You are not alone. I suspect there are a few more 'closet' diesel guys in our ranks. They just haven't come out yet. (grin)


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Crew Chief

Posted - 03/21/2007 :  7:02:14 PM  Show Profile  Send Dreamweaver a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Jack, The best F-units made and available are the Stewarts. http://bowser-trains.com/Stewart/Stewart%20FT.htm

I have several of them and unlike Mike H I have not had a bad factory paint job on the ones I have with factory paint.

Years back Stewart teamed with Kato (makers of the best running locomotives money can buy hands down) and Kato made a drive for them, these are hard to find however when Kato stopped making the drives Stewart kept the truck and pickups and gearing so they run just as good as the Kato did.

Like I said I have both Stewart/Kato's and plain Stewarts with the Buhler motors, they both run the same and VERY reliable.

Stewarts Shells are loaded with excellent details, however no matter what locomotive you go with there is always details that need to be added.

Another path you can take is to get a Stewart Drive either with or with/out sound http://bowser-trains.com/Stewart/Stewart%20Sound%20Chassis.htm
(Sound Chassis)


Then using Highliner Shell Kits which are the best most detailed kits and the nice thing about them is the come with all the parts to make any Phase of any F-unit built for $50.00 But these you will have to paint or have painted (some of us....OK I do that).

here is a link to the Highliner shells.

However the highliner does not include the FT I just looked at it while I was getting the link. but It does start at the F2 which went in to production July 1946 where the FT was Nov. 1939 to Nov. 1945 I don't know what era you want.

As far as You having to buy everything off of the internet here is a link to one of the biggest Model RR suppiers in the world.
Walthers http://www.walthers.com/
They got alot of stuff.

If you need any thing else that they don't have there are many Guy's as well as myself that can help ya find it all you have to do is ask.

Mike J

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Mike Hamer

Posted - 03/21/2007 :  7:56:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit Mike Hamer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Mike,

Murphy's Law must've been with me the day I bought my FT. It was purchased at a hobby store in another major city from mine. I'm glad you mentioned the reliable paint jobs on the ones you've purchased. I should've mentioned to Jack that all other FT's I've seen from Stewart on other's layouts and at train shows looked fabulous. Indeed, they do a great paint job...just my luck to get the bad apple from the barrel.

One thing's for sure...they run beautifully!

Mike Hamer
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Edited by - Mike Hamer on 03/21/2007 7:57:40 PM

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Engine Wiper

Posted - 03/22/2007 :  7:27:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Guys, thanks for all the input.
I'm going to go ahead and buy the Stewart FT
A and B bodies, and then buy the powered chassis
with DCC and sound by LOK for both of them. The
cost for the sound chassis is $180 and the body's
are $45. Total from Bowser is $450!
Out on Susquehanna Hobbies I can get the parts for
$350, so I'm going to order from them.
Mike, I go out to Walthers all the time for referance, but I always seem to be able to find a
better price with a google search. The Highliner
model looks like the cats meow, but it is for
the F-2 and above. The F-2 came out in 1946, the
FT came out in 1940.
Who knows how strong the pull of the Dark Side
is, I might wind up with the F-2 any day now. LOL
Thanks for the help,

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Mike Hamer

Posted - 03/22/2007 :  9:01:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit Mike Hamer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's great news, Jack. I know you'll be erally happy with your purchase. Don't forget to send pictures once the acquisition goes through!

Mike Hamer
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Crew Chief

Posted - 03/22/2007 :  9:23:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit CVSNE's Homepage  Send CVSNE a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Don't forget -- depending on how early you want to model, the B&M FTs came with a large "bunting" on the side with the words "Boston and Maine" spelled out inside -- that scheme did not have the Minuteman logo on the nose.

And, if you find the F2s too much to resist (they look great) -- a number of railroads -- including the B&M -- broke up their 4-unit FT sets (A-B-B-A) and bought F2As in order to create a three-unit set:_FTA-FTB-F2A.

InterMountain has announced an FT in HO scale -- it's a beautiful model -- and the see through grills and metalwork is stunning -- but for some reason they have never gotten them to market -- I know the frames, and most of the plastic parts, were finished several years ago.


Marty McGuirk
Manassas, VA

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Engine Wiper

Posted - 03/24/2007 :  12:45:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi guys;
Just an update:
After talking to the guys at Stewart and talking
to Charlie at InterMountain, I've decided to
pre-order the InterMountain FT.
One of the big differances was the use of real
screen above the portholes and in the roof fans.
Charlie described numerous other details that
sold me on the IM unit, the only problem is that
because of several retoolings, delivery is set
for Sept/Oct. From my conversations (several)
with Charlie at IM, it will be worth the wait.

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