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billb
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Posted - 01/10/2005 :  02:00:54 AM  Show Profile
O is eclipsed by 3 rail O Gauge trains and not many are aware of 2 rail O Scale so I'm wanting to help make modelers more aware of what's out there and what can be done.

I'm starting this topic more or less as a primer for those interested in trying 2 rail O and then going more into model construction,track laying,and other aspects.I'll be providing links to websites and addresses to suppliers without websites as time goes by.

To begin,O scale is 1/4"=1'0" or 1/48 ratio.2 Rail O has a standard 1 1/4" track gauge(5'0")but also available is the 4'8 1/2" track gauge Proto48 standards.(Gene Deimling has an excellant Proto:48 newsletter site at http://www.proto48.org/ With links to suppliers,photo gallery and more)

Magazines covering O 2 rail include O Scale Trains http://www.oscalemag.com/ and O Scale News http://users.foxvalley.net/~osn/ O Scale Trains is primarily 2 rail and O Scale News covers both 2 and 3 rail O.O Scale News has links to suppliers on their website.O Scale Trains offers a sort of primer book to O scale.

2 rail locomotives and cars are available from
AtlasO http://www.atlaso.com/welcome.htm
Weaver http://www.weavermodels.com/
Red Caboose http://www.red-caboose.com/cgi-bin/e_catalog/catalog.cgi
Berkshire Valley (53'6" PS flat and trailers) http://www.berkshirevalleyinc.com/

Track can be purchased thru AtlasO or
House of Duddy http://www.houseofduddy.com/
Old Pullman http://oldpullmanmodelrailroads.com/

For those wanting to scratchbuild freight and passenger cars in O,there are a lot of suppliers of trucks,couplers,and detail parts.The major ones being
Precision Scale Co. http://www.precisionscaleco.com/
Des Plaines Hobbies (contact by phone or e-mail for catalog/parts list) http://desplaineshobbies.com/
San Juan Car http://www.sanjuancarco.com/
Accurate O Scale (mostly trucks) http://www.accurateoscale.com/

Online hobby shops stocking O 2 rail are
Caboose Hobbies http://www.caboosehobbies.com/
High Sierra Models http://www.highsierramodels.com/
Hill's Hobby http://www.hillshobby.com/
Norm's O Scale http://www.normsoscale.com/
P&D Hobby http://www.pdhobbyshop.com/
Valley Model Trains http://www.valleymodeltrains.com/
Caboose Stop Hobbies http://www.caboosestophobbies.com/

That should be enough to get you started looking around.I'll post more later.

Have a good one.And start enjoying Prototype O model trains!

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa

Edited by - billb on 01/10/2005 09:23:02 AM

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Posted - 01/10/2005 :  03:29:04 AM  Show Profile
Bill,

Great topic.

Along with all my narrow gauge dabbling, I also occasionally do some O 2-rail logging stuff. Loco power is a 3-truck Willamette......hope to eventually add a 2-8-2T, a large 2-truck, and a Pacific Coast type 3-truck, shay. Right now I don't run anything in this gauge...just the occasional model.

Thanks for all the links.

Marc



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Posted - 01/10/2005 :  03:29:04 AM  Show Profile
Bill,

Great topic.

Along with all my narrow gauge dabbling, I also occasionally do some O 2-rail logging stuff. Loco power is a 3-truck Willamette......hope to eventually add a 2-8-2T, a large 2-truck, and a Pacific Coast type 3-truck, shay. Right now I don't run anything in this gauge...just the occasional model.

Thanks for all the links.

Marc



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billb
Engine Wiper

Posted - 01/10/2005 :  09:41:37 AM  Show Profile
Thanks MarcWho is the maker of your 3 truck Willamette? What do you have for freight cars and/or logging bunks?

I have a Red Caboose GP9(no longer available from Red Caboose,but there are some out there for sale privately or on Ebay.Plus Des Plaines Hobbies has body shells and parts,contact them for availability.)That has been sitting on a shelf for 2 years.I'll be getting to that soon to get it assembled.I'll be ordering handrail stanchions,a repower kit,and other parts from P&D Hobbies and Proto:48 wheelsets from Protocraft along with scale AAR knuckle couplers.

Have a good one

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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billb
Engine Wiper

Posted - 01/10/2005 :  09:41:37 AM  Show Profile
Thanks MarcWho is the maker of your 3 truck Willamette? What do you have for freight cars and/or logging bunks?

I have a Red Caboose GP9(no longer available from Red Caboose,but there are some out there for sale privately or on Ebay.Plus Des Plaines Hobbies has body shells and parts,contact them for availability.)That has been sitting on a shelf for 2 years.I'll be getting to that soon to get it assembled.I'll be ordering handrail stanchions,a repower kit,and other parts from P&D Hobbies and Proto:48 wheelsets from Protocraft along with scale AAR knuckle couplers.

Have a good one

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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Posted - 01/10/2005 :  4:23:53 PM  Show Profile
Bill,

The Willamette is from PSC. Painted for Rayonier, but I will eventually have it stripped and painted (by a professional...I'm too chicken to paint brass)without a road name, and some "woods weathering". As far as cars are concerned, I have scratchbuilt flats started..., and a San Juan boxcar that will eventually become a logging MOW car sim to/based on what Long-Bell used out of Vernonia OR. I hope to smeday get of my butt and make string of steel sided disconnects...did half the drawings already...but there's a huge lack of info on this model/prototype.

I wish I could regauge the Willamette to P:48....it's possible, but I can't find anyone I really trust to do it correctly....the biggest problem is Machining the P:48 geared drivers, as well as the non-drive side spoked wheels......this wishing to go P:48 has been my biggest hold up in proceeding with these models.

When doing the P:48, on cars, are you leaving the bolsters the O scale width, and just using P:48 wheel sets, or are you shortening them the 3-1/2" inches? Do you know if the San Juan wheels are made to P:48 stds?( I know they're plastic...but I like the ribbing and detailing on them...and I wont be running them more than a few feet on a doirama/module/test track)

Thanks,

Marc

Marc



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Posted - 01/10/2005 :  4:23:53 PM  Show Profile
Bill,

The Willamette is from PSC. Painted for Rayonier, but I will eventually have it stripped and painted (by a professional...I'm too chicken to paint brass)without a road name, and some "woods weathering". As far as cars are concerned, I have scratchbuilt flats started..., and a San Juan boxcar that will eventually become a logging MOW car sim to/based on what Long-Bell used out of Vernonia OR. I hope to smeday get of my butt and make string of steel sided disconnects...did half the drawings already...but there's a huge lack of info on this model/prototype.

I wish I could regauge the Willamette to P:48....it's possible, but I can't find anyone I really trust to do it correctly....the biggest problem is Machining the P:48 geared drivers, as well as the non-drive side spoked wheels......this wishing to go P:48 has been my biggest hold up in proceeding with these models.

When doing the P:48, on cars, are you leaving the bolsters the O scale width, and just using P:48 wheel sets, or are you shortening them the 3-1/2" inches? Do you know if the San Juan wheels are made to P:48 stds?( I know they're plastic...but I like the ribbing and detailing on them...and I wont be running them more than a few feet on a doirama/module/test track)

Thanks,

Marc

Marc



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billb
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Posted - 01/11/2005 :  11:01:53 AM  Show Profile
Marc the San Juan trucks for Proto:48 should have a width of .115" and a flange depth of .031".These are from the NMRA recommended practices.

I plan to use truck bolsters as is.I haven't looked into availability of manufactured bolsters,so I'm not sure they are on the market.However,there are trucks on the market in brass by Protocraft that have the correct bolsters.I plan to use Accurate O(metal wheelsets) and San Juan trucks(with Protocraft wheelsets).

On your Willamette,if the wheels are correct(or close)profile,you may be able to simplify the conversion by just having the axles machined to allow the wheels to be moved inward to a back to back gauge of 1.093".This maybe something to consider depending on how it would affect other parts.

Proto:48 is certainly a challenge when it comes to steam locomotives.And O 2 rail is challenging when it comes to prototype underframes and coupler heights.I plan to use the Protocraft/Clouser AAR coupler along with prototype coupler yoke and draft gear and a bolster/draftsill combination which I'm planning on having manufactured this year.

Good Luck,Marc and thank you for participating in this thread.

Have a good one.

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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billb
Engine Wiper

Posted - 01/11/2005 :  11:01:53 AM  Show Profile
Marc the San Juan trucks for Proto:48 should have a width of .115" and a flange depth of .031".These are from the NMRA recommended practices.

I plan to use truck bolsters as is.I haven't looked into availability of manufactured bolsters,so I'm not sure they are on the market.However,there are trucks on the market in brass by Protocraft that have the correct bolsters.I plan to use Accurate O(metal wheelsets) and San Juan trucks(with Protocraft wheelsets).

On your Willamette,if the wheels are correct(or close)profile,you may be able to simplify the conversion by just having the axles machined to allow the wheels to be moved inward to a back to back gauge of 1.093".This maybe something to consider depending on how it would affect other parts.

Proto:48 is certainly a challenge when it comes to steam locomotives.And O 2 rail is challenging when it comes to prototype underframes and coupler heights.I plan to use the Protocraft/Clouser AAR coupler along with prototype coupler yoke and draft gear and a bolster/draftsill combination which I'm planning on having manufactured this year.

Good Luck,Marc and thank you for participating in this thread.

Have a good one.

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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billb
Engine Wiper

Posted - 01/11/2005 :  11:47:30 AM  Show Profile
Definitions.

I think it's warrented to define a couple of terms used by railroads and manufacturers of railroad equipment related to the reply I posted earlier to Marc.I have provided links that have photos of the parts defined here.

Coupler Yoke-This is the retainer for the coupler/draft gear to attach these to the underframe of a car. http://www.mcconway.com/rail_prod/rail_prod.htm

Draft Gear-This is the cushioning box that sits in the rear of the yoke.It is filled with either springs or rubber to absorb the buffeting forces.Model coupler boxes are commonly refered to as a draft gear.
http://www.draft-gear.com/Rules.asp

Draftsill-this is the part of the underframe between the bolster and striker that retains the coupler,yoke,and draft gear.

For a better understanding of these parts,please refer to this link.
http://www.mcconway.com/rail_prod/coupler_dynamics.htm

Have a good one.

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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billb
Engine Wiper

Posted - 01/11/2005 :  11:47:30 AM  Show Profile
Definitions.

I think it's warrented to define a couple of terms used by railroads and manufacturers of railroad equipment related to the reply I posted earlier to Marc.I have provided links that have photos of the parts defined here.

Coupler Yoke-This is the retainer for the coupler/draft gear to attach these to the underframe of a car. http://www.mcconway.com/rail_prod/rail_prod.htm

Draft Gear-This is the cushioning box that sits in the rear of the yoke.It is filled with either springs or rubber to absorb the buffeting forces.Model coupler boxes are commonly refered to as a draft gear.
http://www.draft-gear.com/Rules.asp

Draftsill-this is the part of the underframe between the bolster and striker that retains the coupler,yoke,and draft gear.

For a better understanding of these parts,please refer to this link.
http://www.mcconway.com/rail_prod/coupler_dynamics.htm

Have a good one.

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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billb
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Posted - 01/23/2005 :  1:02:42 PM  Show Profile
For those interested in getting started in 2 rail O scale and handlaying track there are a couple of sources for track gauges and materials.

On the Proto:48 website http://www.proto48.org/ are addresses for American Switch & Signal which makes frogs and point rails and Clifton Backshop Services which offers tie strips and switch block tie strips made of urethane.Just scroll down the home page to the list of supplier news.Also a list of materials from Right-O'-Way is available at http://www.proto48.org/2_ad_row.htm
Included in the list are rail,ties,tie plates,joint bars,frogs,point rails,guard rails,and other track components.Lou Cross is an excellant person to do business with.
High Sierra Models http://www.highsierramodels.com/ has a catalog available by mail.They carry track gauges and track components for 2 rail and Proto:48 and are also excellant people to deal with.

Have a good one.

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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billb
Engine Wiper

Posted - 01/23/2005 :  1:02:42 PM  Show Profile
For those interested in getting started in 2 rail O scale and handlaying track there are a couple of sources for track gauges and materials.

On the Proto:48 website http://www.proto48.org/ are addresses for American Switch & Signal which makes frogs and point rails and Clifton Backshop Services which offers tie strips and switch block tie strips made of urethane.Just scroll down the home page to the list of supplier news.Also a list of materials from Right-O'-Way is available at http://www.proto48.org/2_ad_row.htm
Included in the list are rail,ties,tie plates,joint bars,frogs,point rails,guard rails,and other track components.Lou Cross is an excellant person to do business with.
High Sierra Models http://www.highsierramodels.com/ has a catalog available by mail.They carry track gauges and track components for 2 rail and Proto:48 and are also excellant people to deal with.

Have a good one.

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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Old Goat
New Hire

Posted - 02/03/2005 :  07:28:53 AM  Show Profile
Two additional sources of O scale locos, cars and parts:

Rich Yoder Models:
http://www.richyodermodels.com/

Karlgarin Models:
http://www.karlgarin.com/2doorsdown.htm




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Old Goat
New Hire

Posted - 02/03/2005 :  07:28:53 AM  Show Profile
Two additional sources of O scale locos, cars and parts:

Rich Yoder Models:
http://www.richyodermodels.com/

Karlgarin Models:
http://www.karlgarin.com/2doorsdown.htm




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billb
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Posted - 02/03/2005 :  09:25:32 AM  Show Profile
Thanks,Old Goat for the additions.Rich Yoder has some very nice looking locomotives and 2 bay hoppers.He at one time had a GE 70 ton engine that I've read about on the Otrains yahoo group as being a very good running model.Karl Garin also has a very nice looking GE 70 ton engine.
Gilmaur http://www.mike.calvert.btinternet.co.uk/index.htm
has a very nice etched brass SW1500 body kit that is inexpensive.

Have a good one.

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa



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