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papasmurf37
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Posted - 04/11/2002 :  10:48:13 PM  Show Profile
Some subjects listed here to ponder for your layout.
1. HUMP YARDS: Very popular to many who wish to have prototypical freightyard operations. Some modelers even have working car retarders.
Lots of seat-of-the-pants design must be applied to perfect them.
2. PASSING SIDINGS: Where will they fit on layout? How long will your longest train be? This will determine final length of siding. Most important on a point-to-point layout, so simultaneous turns from end terminals can perform a mid-route pass. Keep in mind that the last car[a caboose,I hope] of inferior train has to clear main when it goes "in the hole" and I especially LOVE a double-track bridge in center of trackage, so a pass occurs through bridge.
3.MOW[WORK],SNOW REMOVAL,WRECK TRAINS: An often forgotton aspect of modeling. Thrown into an operating session, they make things very interesting and you'll have to use that passing siding above. They even look COOL when used for scenic effect.
4. PASSENGER SERVICE: Same as #3. RDC's or DOODLEBUGS or a GALLOPING GOOSE will spice up things and are also COOL, scenically speaking.
FEEL FREE to help make this list longer...Tom

Tom in NH

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brakie
Fireman

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Posted - 04/12/2002 :  10:05:17 PM  Show Profile
Under the M.O.W. trains add these to the list.Ballast train,rail train.One that is almost forgotten these days is the weed spraying train.A locomotive would push or pull 3/4 tank cars fitted with sprayers to spray weed killer on the weeds.The sprayer controlls was operated by a guy that would ride the tank car being used.If I recall right one controll valve controlled the sprayers on both side of the car.Back in the days you could run a supply train.That would be a converted box car or 2 that would travel a given divison giving out what supply's was needed at the out laying interlocking towers,like form 19s and other paper supplies.Ofcouse these trains no longer run today.


brakie



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MikeC
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Posted - 04/13/2002 :  09:37:06 AM  Show Profile
Add to MOW/Wreck Trains, and Brakie's MOW suggestions: "work trains" for logging and mining operations. We tend to think of those operations in terms of only logging buggies or ore cars, but they also made up "work trains" that included water tank cars, blacksmith cars, flats and boxes carrying supplies and even portable housing for the workers.

A Curmudgeonly Thought for the Day: I did not attend his funeral, but I wrote a nice note saying I approved of it. - Mark Twain



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mosslake
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Posted - 04/13/2002 :  11:13:41 AM  Show Profile
quote:
"work trains" for logging and mining operations. We tend to think of those operations in terms of only logging buggies

Hey MikeC,
We think alike. There's more to logging than just log cars. As you said work & supply trains (some supply/commissary cars were hauled on log trains which adds to their switching and interest) Donkeys (the logging kind)on moving cars and fuel & water cars, flats with the blocks all moving to another setting,flats with dozers, Cats & log trucks, construction train heading to a new spur or landing/reload and dont forget the speeders. The logging types are usually lots bigger than the normal railroad type of speeder because they often carried crews from camp to the cutting areas which brings to mind the occasional loco hauled old coach doing the same job.
This is why I've amassed some 35 pieces of service equipment (in later years many more 'specialised' cars were kept on the logging railroad), the logging railroad had to perform a lot of functions as well as maintain itself.
Its this mix of often old but not wornout cars, with minimal paint operating on light (by mainline standards) track in a deep forest setting with often unusal locos that is so appealing to many people. I know it is to me.

Russ
Moss Lake Lumber Co.



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papasmurf37
Engine Wiper

Posted - 04/13/2002 :  3:33:15 PM  Show Profile
TOTALLY FORGOT STAGING YARDS! You guys probably have LOTS OF IDEAS on THAT SUBJECT, as most modelers, I would think, use them if into any serious type of operation...Tom

Tom in NH



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brakie
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Posted - 04/13/2002 :  9:48:58 PM  Show Profile
Tom,On staging yards I prefer the "hidden" type that is beyond modeled yards.You see a through train could stop in the modeled yard,change crews and continue on to their off the layout terminal(staging).This is the type our club voted to build for the reason stated.Also locomotives could be changed before the train continue on.If it is a reefer train the reefers could be re-iced.A passenger train could be switch,express cars could be switched out or added,sleepers diners or pullmans could be added or taken off.You would still want trains to terminate or begin the runs on the model yards.The possibilities is endless on what can be done.

brakie



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papasmurf37
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Posted - 04/13/2002 :  11:25:48 PM  Show Profile
THANKS BRAKIE! That's the kind of stuff I was looking for! Am hoping it will help all; especially newbies. Anything involving doable operation is great to see listed on this forum. If I could not run our freelance switching road by a good working carcard/waybill system a large part of the challenge/fun/swearing/hair pulling/breaking for Rolaids would be gone. I CAN'T miss THAT!...papa smurf

Tom in NH



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MikeC
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Posted - 04/14/2002 :  12:18:06 AM  Show Profile
Russ, You're right... we evidently do think alike because almost everything you brought up I had planned to come back and add to my posting this evening.

You mentioned something that (I think) could add real interest to an operating session: speeders. I saw a picture (c. 1900) not too long ago of a doctor who visited the camps via a "velocopide" speeder. Imagine trying to work that into a schedule full of log trains, suppply and work trains... and all in the back woods!

Mike

A Curmudgeonly Thought for the Day: I did not attend his funeral, but I wrote a nice note saying I approved of it. - Mark Twain



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mosslake
Fireman

Posted - 04/14/2002 :  05:04:56 AM  Show Profile
Mike
quote:
I saw a picture (c. 1900) not too long ago of a doctor who visited the camps via a "velocopide" speeder

Thats got to be doing things the hard way, looking at some of the grades loggers used, not to mention having a log train suddenly pop up ahead or you or worse - behind you.
I've been subscribing to the 'TimberTimes' magazine since issue 3 and recently got copies of #1 & 2 from them. These were really interesting because it showed 2 HO scale logging speeders using the Bachmann Gandy Dancer ( the motorised gadget with the 2 men pumping away when it runs) mech to power them. One was an enclosed box body affair but the other had a cab at one end (enclosing the motor) and the rest was just a flat deck. Just the thing to cause chaos during an operating session.


Russ
Moss Lake Lumber Co.



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mosslake
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Posted - 04/14/2002 :  05:16:12 AM  Show Profile
I must be spending too much time is front of this computer. I just reread your message Mike, an' I got this vivid mental picture of Tom on his bike & sidecar roaring down the mainline with railroad wheel in place if the bike wheels.......

I gotta lay down as soon as I stop laughing (hopefully soon - the others here at work are looking at me strange)

Sorry Tom

Russ
Moss Lake Lumber Co.



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NYC
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Posted - 04/14/2002 :  09:07:18 AM  Show Profile
quote:

Tom,On staging yards I prefer the "hidden" type that is beyond modeled yards.You see a through train could stop in the modeled yard,change crews and continue on to their off the layout terminal(staging).This is the type our club voted to build for the reason stated.Also locomotives could be changed before the train continue on.If it is a reefer train the reefers could be re-iced.A passenger train could be switch,express cars could be switched out or added,sleepers diners or pullmans could be added or taken off.You would still want trains to terminate or begin the runs on the model yards.The possibilities is endless on what can be done.

brakie

I also have a consistant of Loco's with two exact matches so for example 1 can go into the staging yard with empty hoppers on it's way to some far away destination and a few hours latter the same train can return with full hoppers without anyone actually changing the cars in the staging area.

Modeling the NYC railroad
(Not Yet Completed Railroad)
Phil



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brakie
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Posted - 04/14/2002 :  11:53:21 AM  Show Profile
Phil,Great idea you have there.If I read that right you have 2 sets of units with the same number,is that correct? Or are you talking about the car numbers?

brakie



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MikeC
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Posted - 04/14/2002 :  10:32:13 PM  Show Profile
quote:

I must be spending too much time is front of this computer. I just reread your message Mike, an' I got this vivid mental picture of Tom on his bike & sidecar roaring down the mainline with railroad wheel in place if the bike wheels.......

I gotta lay down as soon as I stop laughing (hopefully soon - the others here at work are looking at me strange)

Sorry Tom

Russ
Moss Lake Lumber Co.



It's Sunday night and I just read this, Russ. Unnhhhh...huhhh! Yep.... Dr. Smurf on his Harley velocipde, supposed to be visiting two sick loggers in Camp 2, but is riding hell bent for leather in an effort to escape a string of runaway disconnects. Will he make it? Only the gnats in his wind-tossed beard know... and they're vacating the premises, so to speak.

A Curmudgeonly Thought for the Day: I did not attend his funeral, but I wrote a nice note saying I approved of it. - Mark Twain



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papasmurf37
Engine Wiper

Posted - 04/14/2002 :  11:09:42 PM  Show Profile
MOSSLAKE AND MIKEC:
BOY! You guys are CRUEL! It would be a GE(MY employer before my retirement)44 tonner, NOT my poor Goldwing....Have a heart! LOL!
papa smurf

Tom in NH



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papasmurf37
Engine Wiper

Posted - 04/14/2002 :  11:14:08 PM  Show Profile
HEY PHIL! Like BRAKIE, I really like the idea of duplicate consists including cars with identical reporting marks, to simulate a loads out
(to another city off layout)- empties back concept. It is COOL!
papa smurf

Tom in NH



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MikeC
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Posted - 04/15/2002 :  10:01:50 AM  Show Profile
quote:

MOSSLAKE AND MIKEC:
BOY! You guys are CRUEL! It would be a GE(MY employer before my retirement)44 tonner, NOT my poor Goldwing....Have a heart! LOL!
papa smurf

Tom in NH



It's some of that hardcore Camp 1 humor, Papa. But I suppose we ought to get back to the business of running this railroad. After all, we are busy men.

A Curmudgeonly Thought for the Day: I did not attend his funeral, but I wrote a nice note saying I approved of it. - Mark Twain



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