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W O T
Engine Wiper

Posted - 12/23/2003 :  03:29:15 AM  Show Profile
Atlas P2K & Athearn.
I would like a couple of U30-c and that is it.
Will probably never use them all anyway.


Wiley T

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W O T
Engine Wiper

Posted - 12/23/2003 :  03:29:15 AM  Show Profile
Atlas P2K & Athearn.
I would like a couple of U30-c and that is it.
Will probably never use them all anyway.


Wiley T

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brakie
Fireman

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Posted - 12/23/2003 :  07:50:18 AM  Show Profile
Yes Wiley,it is still hard to beat those Athearn locomotives as far as reliability.Add some details,some stick on weight to the inside top of the shell,hard wire the motor pickup and you got a locomotive that looks good and one that will give you years of trouble free operation and can take their rightful place among the best made.


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brakie
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Posted - 12/23/2003 :  07:50:18 AM  Show Profile
Yes Wiley,it is still hard to beat those Athearn locomotives as far as reliability.Add some details,some stick on weight to the inside top of the shell,hard wire the motor pickup and you got a locomotive that looks good and one that will give you years of trouble free operation and can take their rightful place among the best made.


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TrainWorm
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Posted - 12/24/2003 :  1:20:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit TrainWorm's Homepage  Send TrainWorm a Yahoo! Message
after running just about everything on the market, my vote goes to Athearn Genesis and Athearn RTR.

why you may ask?

well, first off, the lights on Genesis and RTR are excellent. on Atlas, you cant even see the lights unless you have DCC or run at full speed, and Kato has them funky looking blue LED's. P2K is not too bad, but still nowhere as good as the individual bulbs that Athearn uses.

next, the paint and decal work. Athearn Genesis and RTR is just plain beautigul. the parting lines show no fuzz or bleedover. all the tiny lettering and warning labels are included. the colors are almost always perfect matches for the prototype. the only one that comes close is Atlas. they also have really good paint. but, P2K has a reputation of getting the colors wrong and they dont include as many of the warning labels and tiny lettering. Kato isnt even worth mentioning here. they couldnt paint something properly if their lives depended on it.

Details. i thik Atlas wins here for the most details, but lately Genesis and RTR have PROPER, RAILROAD SPECIFIC DETAILS!! not just general locomotive specific details like Atlas. i really like the detail packs that come with P2K, but it sure would be nice if they came installed like everyone else. and they have no instructions as to which parts to install or where to put them. Kato comes in last here too. not many details on their locomotives, but the piping and frame/tank details on their latest releases are very nice. something you dont see other manufacturers doing.

next to last, the drive mechanism. Kato is still high up on the ladder here with their ultra smooth drive. but i think alot of that is due to more weight. in my opinion, there is really no difference between the drives form all the manufacturers now. they are all very quiet and very smooth. all Athearn needs to do is all more weight and they could move to the top.

and last, the price. Genesis and Athearn Ready To Roll still has everyone beat on the prices for their new releases.





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TrainWorm
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Posted - 12/24/2003 :  1:20:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit TrainWorm's Homepage  Send TrainWorm a Yahoo! Message
after running just about everything on the market, my vote goes to Athearn Genesis and Athearn RTR.

why you may ask?

well, first off, the lights on Genesis and RTR are excellent. on Atlas, you cant even see the lights unless you have DCC or run at full speed, and Kato has them funky looking blue LED's. P2K is not too bad, but still nowhere as good as the individual bulbs that Athearn uses.

next, the paint and decal work. Athearn Genesis and RTR is just plain beautigul. the parting lines show no fuzz or bleedover. all the tiny lettering and warning labels are included. the colors are almost always perfect matches for the prototype. the only one that comes close is Atlas. they also have really good paint. but, P2K has a reputation of getting the colors wrong and they dont include as many of the warning labels and tiny lettering. Kato isnt even worth mentioning here. they couldnt paint something properly if their lives depended on it.

Details. i thik Atlas wins here for the most details, but lately Genesis and RTR have PROPER, RAILROAD SPECIFIC DETAILS!! not just general locomotive specific details like Atlas. i really like the detail packs that come with P2K, but it sure would be nice if they came installed like everyone else. and they have no instructions as to which parts to install or where to put them. Kato comes in last here too. not many details on their locomotives, but the piping and frame/tank details on their latest releases are very nice. something you dont see other manufacturers doing.

next to last, the drive mechanism. Kato is still high up on the ladder here with their ultra smooth drive. but i think alot of that is due to more weight. in my opinion, there is really no difference between the drives form all the manufacturers now. they are all very quiet and very smooth. all Athearn needs to do is all more weight and they could move to the top.

and last, the price. Genesis and Athearn Ready To Roll still has everyone beat on the prices for their new releases.





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brakie
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Posted - 12/26/2003 :  08:31:18 AM  Show Profile
TW,I fully agree with your assessment of the newer Athearn units.I have seen these units in action at the club and in my opinion they look as good and run as smoothly as any Atlas,P2K,Kato or any other top quality locomotive.I really like those NS and CR Spartan cab SD70s and find it very hard not to buy at least 2 in NS or CR..I am looking forward to the CF7s as I been wanting some CF7s with the angle roof for quite some time but never felt like building one up from the RPP shell.BTW I saw the new GP38-2 in CSX YN3(or what ever they call that new paint scheme that looks like the old C&O) and the Indiana RR unit..Both are sweet looking and running locos..Not to get off topic but I really like the new Athearn RTR cars and the Genesis cars better then some of the other quality cars that I own.


Edited by - brakie on 12/26/2003 08:33:31 AM

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brakie
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Posted - 12/26/2003 :  08:31:18 AM  Show Profile
TW,I fully agree with your assessment of the newer Athearn units.I have seen these units in action at the club and in my opinion they look as good and run as smoothly as any Atlas,P2K,Kato or any other top quality locomotive.I really like those NS and CR Spartan cab SD70s and find it very hard not to buy at least 2 in NS or CR..I am looking forward to the CF7s as I been wanting some CF7s with the angle roof for quite some time but never felt like building one up from the RPP shell.BTW I saw the new GP38-2 in CSX YN3(or what ever they call that new paint scheme that looks like the old C&O) and the Indiana RR unit..Both are sweet looking and running locos..Not to get off topic but I really like the new Athearn RTR cars and the Genesis cars better then some of the other quality cars that I own.


Edited by - brakie on 12/26/2003 08:33:31 AM

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wazoowis
New Hire



Posted - 09/11/2005 :  2:46:20 PM  Show Profile
for me, it has to be Spectrum (On30)


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wazoowis
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Posted - 09/11/2005 :  2:46:20 PM  Show Profile
for me, it has to be Spectrum (On30)


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Jerry M
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :  12:11:12 AM  Show Profile
Got two GP9's P2K with sound and I gotta say these things run right out of the box as good as any engines I have owned...love them. Jerry PS. My Bachman Spectrum Mountains also run perfectly, better than the brass I paid 5 times as much for
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Jerry M
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :  12:11:12 AM  Show Profile
Got two GP9's P2K with sound and I gotta say these things run right out of the box as good as any engines I have owned...love them. Jerry PS. My Bachman Spectrum Mountains also run perfectly, better than the brass I paid 5 times as much for
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bogp40
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Posted - 09/17/2005 :  09:59:43 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by n/a

quote:
I believe Atlas is the only manufacturer currently in HO, N and O Gauge.
I agree that the new Atlas stuff is nice - and so is brass. I disagree that Atlas are the "only" manufacturer.

I looked at remotoring my two GP50's with NWSL repower kits versus repowering with oh-so-nifty Atlas GP40 drives. Assuming I didn't already have one, I can buy an Athearn GP50 new, add a NWSL/Mashima motor, put in an Atlas decoder, and still be about 25% ahead of the Atlas locomotive (which I then have to buy a shell for).

Since I'm a shortline modeller, the paint doesn't enter this, because I'd still have to paint. Oh well, that's life. I guess I'll suck it up and get ready to make me some Mashearns!

B-Dubya out -
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Modelling the Cape Breton & Central Nova Scotia Railway in HO

Inside every GE is an Alco trying to get out...apparently, through the exhaust stack!



But you forgot to include all the Detail Assoc, Detail West,Smokey Valley rails, changing the lighting/ no. boards and replacement of other generic details to try to get even close to that of the more upscale manufacturers.
Done all this to many Athearns, run and look beautiful, loved all the numerous hours working on it- but still is an Athearn.I see what you are saying but you can't compare apples with oranges.Besides, not even counting labor, you will come close to the cost of say an Atlas once all is upgraded.



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bogp40
New Hire

Posted - 09/17/2005 :  09:59:43 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by n/a

quote:
I believe Atlas is the only manufacturer currently in HO, N and O Gauge.
I agree that the new Atlas stuff is nice - and so is brass. I disagree that Atlas are the "only" manufacturer.

I looked at remotoring my two GP50's with NWSL repower kits versus repowering with oh-so-nifty Atlas GP40 drives. Assuming I didn't already have one, I can buy an Athearn GP50 new, add a NWSL/Mashima motor, put in an Atlas decoder, and still be about 25% ahead of the Atlas locomotive (which I then have to buy a shell for).

Since I'm a shortline modeller, the paint doesn't enter this, because I'd still have to paint. Oh well, that's life. I guess I'll suck it up and get ready to make me some Mashearns!

B-Dubya out -
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Modelling the Cape Breton & Central Nova Scotia Railway in HO

Inside every GE is an Alco trying to get out...apparently, through the exhaust stack!



But you forgot to include all the Detail Assoc, Detail West,Smokey Valley rails, changing the lighting/ no. boards and replacement of other generic details to try to get even close to that of the more upscale manufacturers.
Done all this to many Athearns, run and look beautiful, loved all the numerous hours working on it- but still is an Athearn.I see what you are saying but you can't compare apples with oranges.Besides, not even counting labor, you will come close to the cost of say an Atlas once all is upgraded.



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brakie
Fireman

Premium Member


Posted - 09/17/2005 :  11:41:49 AM  Show Profile
bogp40,What you say has merit but,Atlas doesn't make a GP50 and may never make one..Kato doesn't seem to care that much about the HO market.P2K seems to have slowed down and favors the older locomotives..So,if one desires a well rounded locomotive roster then one will be buying locomotives from various manufacturers.. The same applies for freight cars.



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