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NYC
Fireman

Posted - 04/23/2002 :  09:31:50 AM  Show Profile
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Hi Phil,
I agree with what Jim said about Atlas. To me, the can motor and superior running gear is worth a few extra bucks. I see Atlas Classic at the train shows for $60 to $70.
Wish I was riding through Colorado,
T&P David



Hi Dave,

I'm talking with the decoders, I can get P2K loco's many times for around $30 and with decoders installed I'm under $55.00 where (don't get me wrong because I think Atlas are better Loco's and I have 3) Atlas Classics go for like you and Jim said $60 to $70 and then with the decoder I'm up to the $80 to $90 range. So if I have 10 new Loco's if they are P2K I have at the most $550.00 spent where with Atlas I have at least $800.00 spent, Is it worth that $250.00 different to have 10 Atlas Loco's over 10 P2K Loco's? I'm not sure. That is why I presently and probably will always have both.

And if you throw the newer Atlas Loco's into the mix they are a little more expensive about $95.00 and they are sold out as fast as they produce them.


Ok there is my rant for today!!

Modeling the NYC railroad
(Not Yet Completed Railroad)
Phil



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jimfitch
Crew Chief

Posted - 04/23/2002 :  1:18:06 PM  Show Profile  Send jimfitch an AOL message
Phil,

I consider myself a fairly savey shopper, but I have never found a P2k loco for $30. The cheapest I found so far was $39.95 our of NYC, then 6.95 shipping and NYS tax it came out to $40 - which is nothing to sneeze at! Pray tell, where are you getting them for so cheap? I go to major train shows like the NYS Fair ground in Syracuse, I go the the GATS in Syracuse and Rochester, and I go to the Springfield Mass show. Never seen the loco's I need for $30. I've been monitoring EBay, nothing I need there for that cheap either, or mail order. I've done a lot of traveling too and not seen those prices.

Part of my problem probably is the Rio Grande is a popular RR as of the last 5 or 6 years and those sell fast and usually are not DEEP discounted. The GP30 I mentioned above was the cheapest. The P2K diesels I look for are GP7s GP9s SD7s SD9s GP30s all in Rio Grande... that is probably the reason.

Anyway, I think the prices you are quoting, $30 + decoder, is not the norm from my experience, but rather the exception. Rather, I think P2K locos are more generally had for $50 and above. I've paid closer more like $55-65 final cost for most of my P2K.






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NYC
Fireman

Posted - 04/23/2002 :  2:06:34 PM  Show Profile
Jim, I purchased 6 P2K's last night/early this morning on E-bay for $29.95 to $31.00. I don't always worry about which RR since I paint alot of mine anyways. I have never paid more than $34.00 for a P2K on E-bay (that I can remember), I just don't buy it. I have found that early morning and late afternoon ending auctions are the best for prices. I also try to win a number of bids from the same seller to save on shipping.

I hate to say this but I have not bought too many loco's at shows in the last 3 years.

Modeling the NYC railroad
(Not Yet Completed Railroad)
Phil



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jimfitch
Crew Chief

Posted - 04/23/2002 :  4:57:06 PM  Show Profile  Send jimfitch an AOL message
I must say, Ebay is a totally new experience for me. I have tried to make a few bids but didn't win. I think you might find if you bid on Rio Grande, they might not go as cheap... just guessing on this. Since I'm not good at painting, I try to buy by roadname. I haven't bought too many trains at shows lately; just one, which was my 5th Atlas GP40 (no number). I've followed the Rio Grande Atlas GP40's on Ebay too and they usually go for more than $70 in the end (I paid $70 for that last one).



Edited by - jimfitch on 04/23/2002 16:59:51



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horailfan
Crew Chief

Posted - 04/24/2002 :  3:23:31 PM  Show Profile
The best way to get good deals on ebay is to hover there until post is almost ended,that way you don`t get into a bidding war. Oh no,now you`ll be hovering with me! Jerry

horailfan



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jimfitch
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Posted - 04/24/2002 :  3:51:07 PM  Show Profile  Send jimfitch an AOL message
Yes, I figured that out about Ebay... even at the end, prices go up.




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trainchaser
Engine Wiper

Posted - 04/26/2002 :  7:26:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit trainchaser's Homepage  Send trainchaser a Yahoo! Message
Hi everyone. Newbie here. So this is where the E-Bay snipers hangout. I should feel right at home then. My name is Carl Diedrich aka Trainchaser and glad to find another place to hang out. I chase CSX around here since it is the only local rail line, but model modern SP. Most of my engines are classic Athearn (about 45) although I have been getting the genesis SD70/75's lately. Have 10 of them now. Got lucky on a case deal for 6 SD75M's for $270. At $45 a piece it was too good a deal to pass up even if they are BNSF. Deals on Athearn Genesis are out there, but I have yet to come across any kind of comparable deal on Atlas or Kato, the cheapest being in the mid $70's. So I'll be sticking to Athearn and just continue to do my 1 hour tune up mod on each of them as I get them. Besides, what other manufacturer makes unpowered engines available to mount the sound systems in? Oh and I do have a couple of Proto 2000 E8/9's, Spectrum GS4 Northerns, and older Atlas GP-38's,so I am open to trying other sources. Just kidding, wouldn't want anyone to think I'm an "Athearn Sale's Rep". In fact, I'm looking for a "Good" deal on the Proto 2000 SD60 Oakaway Leasing units, so probably see some of you on E-Bay.

Carl Diedrich




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NYC
Fireman

Posted - 04/26/2002 :  7:36:20 PM  Show Profile
Welcome Carl to the Railroad-line forum!!

Nice to see you here, I do every once in a while get a good deal on an atlas loco on e-bay, but not often.

Enjoy the forum!!

Modeling the NYC railroad
(Not Yet Completed Railroad)
Phil



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brakie
Fireman

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Posted - 04/26/2002 :  10:50:53 PM  Show Profile
As far as Atlas VS.P2K.I think the P2ks are the better of the two.Understand I am talking about the GP7s.There is more detail on the P2K GP7 then the Atlas GP7.I perfer the speed of the P2Ks over the atlas.I do own more P2Ks then Atlas.As far as the price,I find it more harder to justify then I use to for the Atlas and P2K units-even when discounted.

brakie



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rhomeeyeball
Crew Chief



Posted - 04/26/2002 :  11:19:25 PM  Show Profile
Hi Brakie,
I think everybody know which side of the street I'm on now. I took 2 P2K GP18's and put can motors in them.
Bye ya'll,
T&P David



Edited by - rhomeeyeball on 04/27/2002 00:09:47



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brakie
Fireman

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Posted - 04/27/2002 :  07:59:07 AM  Show Profile
David,That's great!What size can motor did you use? I am thinking that might be a good way to get 2 or 3 P2K GP9s to run with my Atlas GP7s,38s and 40s.Was this a drop in replacement or ???? I wonder if the Atlas motor would fit the P2Ks??

brakie



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rhomeeyeball
Crew Chief



Posted - 04/27/2002 :  09:33:21 AM  Show Profile
Hi Brakie,
I used the Accurate Lighting replacement can motor kits for the GP18's. They are supposed to be a drop-in replacement. Changing the motor out was easy. The hard part was making the weight that surrounds the factory motor, clear the new can. I used a Dremel with a high speed steel cutter to clear some of the weight away. This wasn't hard, just time consuming. I removed about an ounce in each locomotive, but the new can motor is heavier and has larger flywheels than the factory motor, so the weight stayed about the same. They pull really well now and M.U. up with other can equipped locos.

I have not tried putting an Atlas motor in them, but I don't see why this wouldn't work. The Atlas has a different type of drive shaft connection to the flywheels and this would be the only problem that I can see.
T&P David




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brakie
Fireman

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Posted - 04/27/2002 :  10:15:12 AM  Show Profile
Thanks David,for the information.I think I will just use the same motor you need,seems to be less work and hassle that way.

brakie



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MikeC
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Posted - 12/18/2003 :  09:39:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit MikeC's Homepage
Since Tom's question for today (12/18/03) is about wishing for new locos, this old poll seemed appropriate. So I thought I'd revive it - if that's possible.

I had an opportunity to test run Rusty's B-mann On30 Porter this past spring. It's a great looking little lokie that runs like a Swiss watch. I've heard similar reports about B-mann's Shays, although I've never seen one run. But based on my experience with the Porter, I'd have to change my vote to Bachmann, even though they're not listed among the poll choices.


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm a busy man. I have a railroad to run.


Visit the Central Missouri & Southern

Edited by - MikeC on 12/18/2003 09:41:22 AM

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MikeC
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Posted - 12/18/2003 :  09:39:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit MikeC's Homepage
Since Tom's question for today (12/18/03) is about wishing for new locos, this old poll seemed appropriate. So I thought I'd revive it - if that's possible.

I had an opportunity to test run Rusty's B-mann On30 Porter this past spring. It's a great looking little lokie that runs like a Swiss watch. I've heard similar reports about B-mann's Shays, although I've never seen one run. But based on my experience with the Porter, I'd have to change my vote to Bachmann, even though they're not listed among the poll choices.


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm a busy man. I have a railroad to run.


Visit the Central Missouri & Southern

Edited by - MikeC on 12/18/2003 09:41:22 AM

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