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MasonJar
Section Hand

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  10:44:48 AM  Show Profile
Although greatly inspired by Bonkyrail, I have begun to rethink the foam risers and grades I have created. It would seem easier to mount undertable switch machines directly to plywood under the track instead of cutting into the foam, etc, etc.

Does anyone have experience with cookie cutter benchwork? Pictures would be most appreciated!! I was thinking L-grider with risers, but this is my first layout, and it's only 4x8.

Suggestions please!

Andrew



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NYC
Fireman

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  11:31:00 AM  Show Profile
Andrew,

All my layouts (6) prior to this one were cookie cutter type with L-girder construction. It works great, the only reason I switched was because I was tired of building large layouts that I couldn't easily move. I would end up either selling it to someone else and letting them handle the moving or tearing it apart.
Soory I don't have any photo's handy, if I get a chance I'll look to see if I have any.

My new layout is modular construction with foam. I am mounting my switch machines under the layout but I am going to use Del Aire machines because, I have checked them out and think they work great. I have mounted other brands under foam with no problem.

Modeling the NYC railroad
(Not Yet Completed Railroad)

Phil



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NYC
Fireman

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  11:31:00 AM  Show Profile
Andrew,

All my layouts (6) prior to this one were cookie cutter type with L-girder construction. It works great, the only reason I switched was because I was tired of building large layouts that I couldn't easily move. I would end up either selling it to someone else and letting them handle the moving or tearing it apart.
Soory I don't have any photo's handy, if I get a chance I'll look to see if I have any.

My new layout is modular construction with foam. I am mounting my switch machines under the layout but I am going to use Del Aire machines because, I have checked them out and think they work great. I have mounted other brands under foam with no problem.

Modeling the NYC railroad
(Not Yet Completed Railroad)

Phil



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Wallace
Engine Wiper

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  1:02:51 PM  Show Profile
Having tried both methods, I advise against use of "cookie-cutter" benchwork. I suggest a frame, with risers for all subroadbed; this will allow scenery below track level. It will also be lighter in weight. Use wire coathangers to form mountain (hill) ridges and valleys, and attach screen-wire to them. Cover with 2-ply toweling dipped in Hydrocal B-11, (avoid type "A" as it sets up too fast), which will allow space underneath for hidden trackage. Foam, while light-weight, lacks supporting strength in small cross-sections. Switch machines can be attached to the sub-roadbed.




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Wallace
Engine Wiper

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  1:02:51 PM  Show Profile
Having tried both methods, I advise against use of "cookie-cutter" benchwork. I suggest a frame, with risers for all subroadbed; this will allow scenery below track level. It will also be lighter in weight. Use wire coathangers to form mountain (hill) ridges and valleys, and attach screen-wire to them. Cover with 2-ply toweling dipped in Hydrocal B-11, (avoid type "A" as it sets up too fast), which will allow space underneath for hidden trackage. Foam, while light-weight, lacks supporting strength in small cross-sections. Switch machines can be attached to the sub-roadbed.




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MasonJar
Section Hand

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  1:14:55 PM  Show Profile
Phil - Thanks for the tips. Looking forward to any photos you may have. I am planning on putting wheels on the table so I can move it around the workshop. This first layout is really to try things out, so I don't plan on moving it anywhere soon.

I was wondering if the changes in elevation are problematic, since 1) there will be a slight offset once a flat piece of wood is bent to make a change in elevation, and 2) if a significant "change of plane" occurs when elevating the track around a corner (say 90 degrees). Also, won't the subroad tilt sideways, since the "hinge" point of the board is perpendicular to the end of the run?

Wallace - Thanks as well, especially coat hanger tip for hardshell. I think what I will end up with will be close to "frame with sub-roadbed on risers", since only about 25% of the track is at what would be considered 0" elevation, and I am planning to cut a riverbed at about -1" elevation.

Andrew





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MasonJar
Section Hand

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  1:14:55 PM  Show Profile
Phil - Thanks for the tips. Looking forward to any photos you may have. I am planning on putting wheels on the table so I can move it around the workshop. This first layout is really to try things out, so I don't plan on moving it anywhere soon.

I was wondering if the changes in elevation are problematic, since 1) there will be a slight offset once a flat piece of wood is bent to make a change in elevation, and 2) if a significant "change of plane" occurs when elevating the track around a corner (say 90 degrees). Also, won't the subroad tilt sideways, since the "hinge" point of the board is perpendicular to the end of the run?

Wallace - Thanks as well, especially coat hanger tip for hardshell. I think what I will end up with will be close to "frame with sub-roadbed on risers", since only about 25% of the track is at what would be considered 0" elevation, and I am planning to cut a riverbed at about -1" elevation.

Andrew





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Shamus
Crew Chief

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  1:29:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit Shamus's Homepage
Andrew, I am in the middle of doing a small article on "Cookie Cutter" methods and will have it ready by the weekend with photo's if you want me to post it here.

PaulT






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Shamus
Crew Chief

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  1:29:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit Shamus's Homepage
Andrew, I am in the middle of doing a small article on "Cookie Cutter" methods and will have it ready by the weekend with photo's if you want me to post it here.

PaulT






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MasonJar
Section Hand

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  2:33:31 PM  Show Profile
Paul - That would be great. Your other articles have been very useful. I can look up your website if you're adding it there... Just post a link, instead of the whole thing.

Thanks.

Andrew





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MasonJar
Section Hand

Posted - 08/16/2002 :  2:33:31 PM  Show Profile
Paul - That would be great. Your other articles have been very useful. I can look up your website if you're adding it there... Just post a link, instead of the whole thing.

Thanks.

Andrew





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Cowcatcher
Fireman



Posted - 08/16/2002 :  3:23:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit Cowcatcher's Homepage
Andrew;

The September issue of MR has an article devoted to "Cookie cutter" benchwork the includes photo's. It is a good start point.

Dave Koch



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Cowcatcher
Fireman



Posted - 08/16/2002 :  3:23:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit Cowcatcher's Homepage
Andrew;

The September issue of MR has an article devoted to "Cookie cutter" benchwork the includes photo's. It is a good start point.

Dave Koch



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Shamus
Crew Chief

Posted - 08/18/2002 :  05:45:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit Shamus's Homepage
Here's a starter, letter (A) shows the cookie cutting done on both the 1/8" plywood and 1/2" insulation board. Letter (B) shows it in place but not raised and letter (C) shows part of it raised ready for the next job.

PaulT







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Shamus
Crew Chief

Posted - 08/18/2002 :  05:45:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit Shamus's Homepage
Here's a starter, letter (A) shows the cookie cutting done on both the 1/8" plywood and 1/2" insulation board. Letter (B) shows it in place but not raised and letter (C) shows part of it raised ready for the next job.

PaulT







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NYC
Fireman

Posted - 08/18/2002 :  11:55:04 AM  Show Profile
Nice Photo's showing the steps Paul!! BTW I really like the backdrop!!! Very well done!!

Modeling the NYC railroad
(Not Yet Completed Railroad)

Phil



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