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RyanAK Posted - 12/20/2018 : 11:53:16 AM
Hey, gang. I debated whether to put this topic here or over in HOn3, but I think this ties more closely to the TOC topics here in Early Rail.

Anyway... I'll be working out of town quite a bit for the next few months, so won't be able to work much on benchwork, or track, etc. But rolling stock modeling in portable. My grandfather used to build kits for my dad's HO layout when he was out of town in the 50s and 60s rather than sitting in a bar room, so I'm continuing a family tradition.

In 1910, this was the complete non-logging roster of the White Deer & Loganton Railway, a 3' narrow gauge line that existed in central Pennsylvania from 1907 to 1916.

(2) Class B Climax locomotives, 25- and 30-ton. Apparently equipped with higher geared trucks for better speed since they were not involved in the lumbering operations. They were also equipped with air brakes and could provide steam heat to the coach and combine.
(2) homebuilt open excursion/passenger cars
(1) combination car
(1) passenger car
(1) milk car
(4) gondolas
(2) box cars
(4) flat cars
(1) refrigerator car
(1) caboose

#8203;Pretty achievable to model the entire roster! The Class B Climaxes are going to be a challenge... I'm working through a lot of possibilities at the moment. Time will tell if I achieve success with this challenge. In the meantime, I'm looking for an appropriately sized HOn3 locomotive to stand in for WD&L No.1.

This thread will look at achieving a fairly accurate representation of the White Deer & Loganton rolling stock. It's been a long time since I've built any cars, and back then it was shake-the-box kits. I intend to start with some craftsman kits and then progress to scratch building. Maybe we'll 3D print something along the way. It should be fun. And I'll say now, I'd appreciate any help this great group can provide along the way. I don't have deep knowledge of rolling stock history, or modeling this era... so I'll be listing closely to whatever you have to say.

Here we go!

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masonamerican Posted - 12/24/2019 : 3:46:44 PM
Nice work on the kits! Those Bitter Creek kits are very nice to build.
Ouch 200 nights in a hotel. I hope you get some great time with the kids and some time to model too.

RyanAK Posted - 12/22/2019 : 1:03:38 PM
Hey, gang. Other than some additional attempts at research on Loganton and Sonestown, Iíve been at a standstill. Come the new year, Iíll have spent over 200 nights in a hotel. Itís got me seriously worn down and when Iím home I spend all of my time with my 3- and 4-year olds. Heck, I only fished 4 days this year!

I think about getting this layout going often. Maybe the new year will bring some free time to dedicate to starting construction. Fingers crossed!
jschumaker Posted - 03/10/2019 : 3:51:24 PM
Interesting thread. Any progress lately?

Jeff S.
OK Hogger Posted - 01/25/2019 : 11:57:47 PM
Cool. Reads like you're aware of it.

The YouTube link I shared above shows what a guy did to make his run nicely. His finished product appeared to run pretty good.

All fer now. Gonna' post in my "Promised" thread.

RyanAK Posted - 01/25/2019 : 5:56:10 PM
Iíve certainly read about all the troubles with getting this kit to run well. It looks like a neat kit. But I only bought it to get a look at the geared trucks. I found a pair of NWSL Climax trucks, but I could buy three of these kits for the same price. If I think I can use the trucks for a Climax build, itís a win. If not... well what came from eBay will return. Ha.
OK Hogger Posted - 01/25/2019 : 12:03:12 PM
Have you had a chance to see look over your MDC Shay?

I built a standard gauge MDC Class B (two truck) Shay back in the mid-1980s. Its running qualities were not very good. I seem to recall that the large bull gear tower, the trucks, and the side gears didn't have sufficient tolerances to afford Swiss-like precision.

At the time, NWSL replacement parts weren't available, so I soldiered on. Though the end result looked GREAT, my Shay was always a bit of a disappointment, performance wise. I eventually sold it.

There are several videos on YouTube that address the running quality issues with MDC's Shay's. Here is one:


Hope your MDC Shay ends up running great!

RyanAK Posted - 01/18/2019 : 12:51:42 PM
A little more progress. I like the architecture of this kit. The roof walk supports are brilliant. I wanted to use the plank roof with the roof walk but I wasnít satisfied with my cuts in the laser board for the supports.

Iíll take a look at LaBelle for my next kit. Right now Iím leaning towards a BTS gondola.

So the drawing I have for the Class B shows 4í wheelbase trucks with 28Ē spoked wheels. I just received the MDC/Roundhouse 3-truck HOn3 Shay kit from eBay.

These are scale 5í trucks with 33Ē wheels. So a bit larger. But! Working HOn3 geared trucks for not much money.

5í HOn3 trucks with 33Ē wheels become 4í trucks with 28Ē wheels in 1:72. 30Ē gauge though... hmmm...

I have also located a set of NWSL HOn3 Climax trucks. Spendy!! Waiting to hear back on wheelbase. These trucks are more than some brass Class As out there, so picking up a Westside HOn3 model for the trucks might still be an option.
Michael Hohn Posted - 01/14/2019 : 10:08:22 PM

I enjoy building LaBelle kits. You might consider trying one or more of their HOn3 models.

RyanAK Posted - 01/14/2019 : 6:07:39 PM
Thanks to Brianís heads up, I just received the Gazette with drawings of the WD&L milk car. Weíre gonna build it! Itís a big car for a 3í gauge mountain railroad. Dimensions are 8í wide, 32í between the end beams, and 37í2Ē to the ends of the platforms. Runs on passenger trucks.

And now we have something accurate to scale off of!

I never would have known about the drawings in the Gazette if Brian hadnít posted as the car isnít noted as belonging to any particular railroad in the table of contents or the Gazette index. Thatís why this place is great. A million thanks for the continued information and encouragement!

Dave - itís my understanding there was a disagreement between the various authors about continued printing and the estate is following the wishes of one of the authors.

Iím gonna need some additional kits to build while Iím out of town. (4 days a week until March 1, then 7 days for a month or more... ugh...) Any suggestions for rolling stock and/or structures to stock up on?

deemery Posted - 01/14/2019 : 12:26:45 PM
I bought my set almost 40 years ago, and still rate it as one of the best things I've ever bought (I want to say they cost $200 even then!). A couple of the paperback volumes are out-of-print, apparently there's a problem with the estate of the author of those volumes.

RyanAK Posted - 01/14/2019 : 11:53:38 AM
I picked up the first 4 a few months ago. They really are special and provide just the kind of thread for additional research that I like. I'd LOVE to find a bound set some day!

deemery Posted - 01/14/2019 : 11:44:31 AM
Ryan, if you don't have a copy of the Pennsylvania Logging books covering that area, you should put that on your shopping list!

OK Hogger Posted - 01/14/2019 : 11:29:53 AM
Ryan, you said:

These guys have hiked the rugged right-of-way, know where the tracks ran IN the stream bed of White Deer Creek...

Darn, forgot to mention that I have a photo of a Pine Belt Lumber Co. Shay with a loaded log train wading a flowing creek in the Ouachita mountains! At this point, I don't have a way to scan the photo, but when I do (again), I'll share it with you here. You will find it fascinating.

All fer now.

RyanAK Posted - 01/14/2019 : 11:20:17 AM
Mifflinburg is (was... now a rail-trail) on the Lewisburg and Tyrone (PRR), but Kulp, Thomas, the Whitmers and lots of others were in the area. There were a few logging lines that went through town at one time or another, including wildcat tramlines. Infact, Mifflinburg HS are the Wildcats. I assume very few students (or adults!) these days have any idea of the reference. Mifflinburg is just 9 miles from Lewisburg and Bucknell. Loganton is just one valley north of R.B. Winter State Park (Halfway Dam), so you know the area for sure. Small world, eh?

deemery Posted - 01/14/2019 : 11:10:06 AM
I've driven through Mifflinburg, when I was at Bucknell for a year. We did a lot of ROTC stuff in the mountains to the west.

Isn't that on the old Kulp, Thomas lumber right-of-way?


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