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| MT Hopper |
Posted - 06/14/2010 : 12:36:23 PM
If this is the wrong forum for this question I apologize . Have excavated (basement reno) 6 bottles of Natural Pine Flo Stain 6 bottles of Oak Flo Stain 4 bottles of Maple Flo Stain and 4 bottles of Driftwood Flo Stain ( 2 opened).
 My question is to thin the Flo Stain and to clean brushes is hardware store lacquer thiner the product to use? I don't want to toss the Flo Stain out so I'm hoping to use it.
Cheers from the Heart of the Continent
MT Hopper |
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| bitlerisvj |
Posted - 04/09/2012 : 12:31:47 PM
Hi Bob and other members,
Let me throw in my 2 cents, maybe it will give some folks practical advice. I know there are some that desire the old Dio Sol and will recreate it chemically, but the old Floquil paints aren't around any more and as Bob said they are now enamel based and not lacquer.
Bob, you are correct, you can indeed use ordinary paint thinner to thin and clean the new Floquil, but you can also use lacquer thinner. You get two different results depending on which you use.
If you use paint thinner, the paint does go on nicely, but it is somewhat glossy, which is actually pretty darn good if you wish to put on decals. This works very well for rolling stock. You would then use Dullcoat afterwards anyway. There is one very bad by product of using paint thinner. It stinks up the room and any other room nearby pretty bad for quite a while. I painted using paint thinner with Floquil not too long ago and when the wife came home after I was done, but I got all kinds of he** anyway. I even had the the window open and the exhaust fan right there where I was airbrushing. I won't do that again until she goes out of town.  Or I will need to airbrush outside.
Using lacquer thinner with Floquil yields a nice flat finish almost as flat as the old Floquil. Of course if you plan on putting decals on, you will need to glosscoat first. The other nice thing about using lacquer thinner is that it disperses quickly and the smell is gone quickly. The wife has never mentioned it when I used lacquer thinner, or at least she din't complain as much. She never gives me grief when I use acrylics, duh. However, as someone else said, throw away any left over paint that has been thinned with lacquer thinner, do NOT pour it back into the bottle, it will ruin the Floquil.
Anyway, that is my 2 cents.
Regards, Vic Bitleris
quote:
Originally posted by mocibob
Floquil is enamel, not laquer. I queried Testor's a couple years ago on a replacement for Dio-Sol; they told me to use ordinary paint thinner (not laquer thinner). I've been using paint thinner with no problems.
Bob
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| jbvb |
Posted - 04/08/2012 : 12:02:55 PM
I have Floquil around of pretty much every vintage: From metal cans that I think date from before I was old enough to go to a hobby store by myself, through the square bottle era to round glass bottles bought this decade. I thin them all for spraying with hardware store lacquer thinner, but it did curdle the few times I tried putting extra paint back in the container.
I disappointedly threw out all my ModelFlex last week; a decade was too long for it...
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| Rick |
Posted - 04/07/2012 : 2:24:35 PM
JC, welcome to the forum and an excellent first post. 
Thanks for all the detailed information. |
| JC |
Posted - 04/07/2012 : 2:10:35 PM
Substitutes for Diosol
Most of the Testors enamel thinnng products seem to work okay.
Repeating an earlier note:
"According to the MSDS dated 2/9/2005, Dio-Sol consists of:
VM&P Naptha 40-45%
Xylol (Xylene) 5-10%
Ethyl Benzene 1-5%
Aromatic Hydrocarbon Solvent 5-10%
Light Aromatic Hydrocarbon 40-45%"
My recent experience:
Floquil Enamel responds favorably to many things for basic cleanup.
Two examples:
Odorless Mineral Spirits
(not so odorless) VM&P Naphtha
I've tried a quick test, thinning and brushing Floquil onto some kit plastic sprue with okay results - --
Sunnyside Brush Cleaner (look at the contents and ventilate well!) --and another trial using Odorless Mineral Spirits.
Conclusion: My preference was for the brush cleaner, but it is a more aggressive smelling substtance.
Here is some insight into other products,
so that you may see how they align with the 2005 Diosol make up.
Source: MSDS sheets.
Testors 1/4 oz bottle Enamel Thinner
2-PROPANOL,
1-PROPOXY-;
(N-PROPOXY PROPANOL) 90-95%
SOLVENT NAPHTHA;
(AROMATIC HYDROCARBON SOLVENT (HIGH
BOILING)) 1-5%
Testors Universal enamel thinner
Naphtha 30
Mineral Spitits 50
n-Proproxy Propanol 25
Testors Thinner & Brush Cleaner 1156
MINERAL SPIRITS 90-95%
:XYLENE; (XYLOL): 5-10%
:BENZENE, ETHYL-; (ETHYL BENZENE)1-5%
Testors Airbrush Thinner
VM & P NAPHTHA 25-30%
MINERAL SPIRITS 45-50%
:2-PROPANOL, 1-PROPOXY-; (N-PROPOXY PROPANOL) 20-25%
:SOLVENT NAPHTHA (PETROLEUM) MEDIUM ALIPHATIC; (HIGH BOILING
ALIPHATIC HYDROCARBON) 1-5%
OOPS
MONOCHLOROTOLUENE <7%
ETHYL ALCOHOL <12%
XYLENE >21%
VM& P NAPTHA >58%
Rustoleum Speciality Reducer (Automotive)
Acetone 85.0
Methyl n-Amyl Ketone 20.0
Ethyl 3-Ethoxypropionate 5.0
Klean-Strip Industrial Maintenance Coating Thinner
1. Light aliphatic solvent naphtha (petroleum)
2. Acetic acid, ethyl ester {Ethyl acetate}
3. Petroleum Hydrocarbons
4. 1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene {Pseudocumene}
5. Xylene (mixed isomers) {Benzene, dimethyl-}
Rustoleum Paint Thinner:
XYLENE,
DIMETHYLBENZENE,
XYLOL
PROPYLENE GLYCOL
METHYL ETHER (1-METHOXY-2-PROPANOL)
PROPYLENE GLYCOL
MONO METHYL ETHER
Sunnyside Water Rinse Brush Cleaner
Ethyl Alcohol
Methylene Chloride
Methyl Ethyl Ketone
Mineral Spirits
Octylphenoxypolyethoxy-ethanol Nonionic
Surfactant
Xylenes
Ethyl Benzene[/b] |
| Jan Kirkwood |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 10:03:37 AM
LOL Karl and thanks
Jan |
| hon3_rr |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 10:00:47 AM
Well done Karl!! |
| belg |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 5:14:44 PM
Yeah Karl, I don't see any problem there at all. Is that a cigar hanging out of your mouth too!! Make sure they bring a big plastic bag to put all the parts in when you light that thing. Pat LOL |
| Rick |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 5:05:45 PM
Karl, there's always the exception to the rule.
Thanks for the laugh, I needed it.  |
| Karl Osolinski |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 5:02:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rick
I remember reading a while back that the old Diosol was a mixture of about 80% toluene and 10- 15% Xylene plus some other things.
The other stuff might have been acetone and/or naphtha.
But either the Toluene or Xylene will work better than lacquer thinner.
It's available at a good paint store.
Just be advised that these are pretty nasty chemicals and wearing a respirator at all times is advised.
Hi Rick,
I've been using all sorts of chemicals for years without a mask or ventilation and have never experienced any sort of weird reactions.
Karl O.
Berkley, MI
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| mecrr |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 12:44:00 PM
amazing to see how we all approach the same question with different answers and different results.
I was a custom painter for a number of years and thinned both Floquil (old and new formula - stuff from 15 years ago) and Accupaint with hardware store lacquer thinner - the cheaper the better. I never had anything gel, never had the bottles go bad and 15 years later, I am still using paint from bottles I thinned.
Thats my story and I'm sticking with it.
David Stickney |
| David from Portland |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 12:26:09 PM
Following on the comment about enamel vs. lacquer, I believe you can use lacquer thinner to thin the paint, but you can't return any remaining thinned paint to the original paint supply...the lacquer thinner will cause the paint to jell.
I do use lacquer thinner to clean the airbrush, as the thinner evaporates quickly, it is completely dry by the next time I use it. I'll bet using paint thinner is the best idea.
David |
| deemery |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 11:47:21 AM
I've used lacquer thinner to clean brushes, etc. The concern I'd have is thinning Floquil for airbrushing with anything other than their recommended solvent.
dave |
| MT Hopper |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 10:37:31 AM
Thanks for the info Bob. Much appreciated.
Will |
| mocibob |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 09:38:44 AM
Floquil is enamel, not laquer. I queried Testor's a couple years ago on a replacement for Dio-Sol; they told me to use ordinary paint thinner (not laquer thinner). I've been using paint thinner with no problems.
Bob |
| hon3_rr |
Posted - 06/14/2010 : 5:42:39 PM
I am still mixing up my own per below. I think I found this somewhere here on the forum.
1) Use only a high quality Lacquer Thnner with Acetone in it's composition.
2) Also obtain Xylene (ala: Xylol)
3) Both Lacquer Thinner and Xylene by same mfg. if possible.
4) Need 1 qt Lacquer Thinner and 2 qt Xylene.
Mix the two components in a metal container and then use a metal funnel to pour mixed solutions back into cans. |
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