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andykins
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 Posted - 06/08/2012 : 4:20:59 PM
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This thread will follow my newest build, a 4 wheel boxcar. for a while ive wanted to model one, and with the discovery of a 3d printed chassis about the right lengh, ive made a jump start on the project. however the main point of this thread is to show how i did the painting and weathering on the boxcars i built for the 10th anniversary challenge, they seemed to impress and please many people and brought the question "how did you do it" ofcorse this fool didnt take any photos.
just to refresh your minds, or if you didnt see them, or are new here and have no idea what the 10th anniversary challenge was. here are the cars i built and painted
and so one with the build.
this is what im starting with.
a chivers (now slimrails) 14foot boxcar, purchased as a set of parts, basicly the kit as is, minus most of the frame and trucks, this saved a few pounds. and the 3d printed chassis purchased from a seller on ebay.
one of the reasons i think the colouring on the 20foot boxcars worked so well, is because dallas, of BVM made them with a well defined siding. so i need to do the same here. these are the tools i used.
a scalpel, an olfa cutter and some corse sand paper.
i simply make light passes with the scalpel, followed by the olfa cutter, this cuts a "V" groove, i also used this to widen the gaps between the boards. and then finish with a rub with sand paper.
this takes a [:-censored] long time i spent a couple hours last night just on the sides and doors. and did the rest this morning, however the result is very pleasing to my eye
this is pretty much where i am now, ive since added some breakgear and some supports on the truss rods.
next job is to spray some primer, but that will have to wait till monday. |
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terry hansley
Crew Chief
USA
543 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 5:34:02 PM
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Andy
Are you able to buy the Chivers parts seperate---without trucks and frame?
I have several and they make great running little cars.
I'll be following along-----the start is already outstanding.
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Neil M
Fireman
Australia
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 8:13:34 PM
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| The texturing on the sides looks great. It looks rather deep but once painted I am looking forward to seeing how it comes out |
Built a waterfront HO layout in Ireland http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22161 but now making a start in On30 in Australia |
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/09/2012 : 04:00:44 AM
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terry, thank you, and yes they are quite pleased to sell parts from kits when the company switched hands, it only went from father, to son so the service is just the same, a quick email is all that needed to get a quote on parts.
thanks neil. it dose look deep, roughly the same as on the sides of the BVM cars, but with a lighter hand i see no reason why this wouldnt work ina smaller scale should anyone wish :) |
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centercab
Engine Wiper
USA
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Posted - 06/09/2012 : 8:13:37 PM
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Andy - This is very neat! That is a pain to cut the grain (!) and you did a fantastic job.
I built a Chivers caboose years ago and used the Grandt Line C&S journal boxes with NWSL wheelsets to make it a 4 wheeler.
I love these short cars. Good job! |
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Frederic Testard
Engineer
France
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Posted - 06/10/2012 : 05:48:20 AM
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| Very nice car, Andy. With heavy grain as you did, you'll be forced to make a very peeled paint job. |
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3951 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2012 : 09:51:09 AM
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chuck, im currently working on a scratch built-with left over chivers ends into a 4 wheel caboose, they are great kits and nice to bash.
frederic, indeed very messy peeling paint is the plan.
so heres where it stands now, i did some work to the roof and walk way, i fixed the chassis, luckly i had some plastic section that make for a tight fit between the recess of the body and the floor, and the sides of the frames, so was easy to fit, ive also worked up a break set up useing left over BVM break shoes that are not used on dallas' trucks and brass wire, not shown in the photo, dont know how prototypical it is, but works fine for me.
now had a coat of primer, will get another tomorrow then im going to have to leave it for a day or so to set well since the next stages need alot of alcohol. and the primer is the start of the paint job, ive used rustoleum surface primer grey, love how it goes on and dries flat when ive made the mistake of spraying to much, also runs out of paint before propellant so no splatters. ontop of this will go layer and layer of washes etc, more of that later.
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3951 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2012 : 12:03:34 PM
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so, on with the painting.
theres what im useing
a nice range of paints, everything from craft, modelling and artists acrylic. from left to right, A&I (about 30-1) tamiya flat eart, tamiya nato brown, artists raw umber (ive used a cheaper range of artists paint, 1, they where cheaper (£3.15 and buy 3 get 1 free at the time) they are heavy body, but not as heavy as the higher range artists ones) then craft paint, tan, antique white, black and burnt sienna.
i first add a quick wash of A&I gets rid of the bland primer, helps me see the boards too, many more to come later.
as you can see the caboose is coming along for the ride :P
then i mix a number of shades of thin washes of those paints. and carefuly add it to random boards, it'll look a bit strange, and it gets worse, but once ive added plenty more washes of A&I it'll all tone down.
working around, and before you know it, you'll have a strange looking set of cars
i'll leave these to dry and set for a day or so, then plenty more A&I and paint washes to follow. |
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George D
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 2:22:15 PM
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Andy, I like your idea of putting an A&I wash on the primer before you start brush painting.
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milocomarty
Fireman
Netherlands
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centercab
Engine Wiper
USA
225 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2012 : 8:10:45 PM
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| I agree with George...that is a good idea. They do look a little funky at this point! |
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3951 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2012 : 03:37:24 AM
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thanks guys.
they do look a little funky, but thats why i never took photos when i did this for the first time, i had no idea how they would turn out :P
yeah the A&I on first made the difference, i dont have the best eyesight and telling the difference between boards.
im out this morning, but when i get back i'll be able to make some progress on these :) |
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3951 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 03:38:32 AM
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starting to look a lot less funky
been 2 days, so its had 2 A&I washes, normaly my next 4-5 steps would be A&I and a thin paint wash, however im thinking about just doing paint washes now to see if that'll get the resuts in less washes.
the caboose thats tagging along is much the same
im going to try that paint wash today, so i shall update then :) |
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/19/2012 : 1:25:34 PM
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so, it seems paint washes save time. two paint washes of raw umber and black and i have
i added more raw umber to the wash for the caboose.
and in all the fun, i forgot to do the end boards for the walk way. so its nice to compaire side by side with what i started with
next step is the painting, and the most time consuming part. but where it really starts to come to life.
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andykins
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/19/2012 : 1:26:12 PM
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so, it seems paint washes save time. two paint washes of raw umber and black and i have
i added more raw umber to the wash for the caboose.
and in all the fun, i forgot to do the end boards for the walk way. so its nice to compaire side by side with what i started with
next step is the painting, and the most time consuming part. but where it really starts to come to life.
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3951 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2012 : 11:47:34 AM
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and now for the boring bit (sorry "time consuming")
a while ago i did an out house kit, it had laser etch siding. i wanted a board by board look and hit apon the idea of masking off a single board at a time, i dont know if anyone else did this before me, so i wont take credit just in case :P all i know is, it works very well to give a board by board look.
so it almost dose not need a photo but i mask off a single board, cheap low tack tape works well.
then, nice wide brush, i dry brush that board, random amounts of paint gives a nice range of shades, the different colours of the boards under also effects things.
yank off the tape and move along the car, once you've worked around the side you start with has dried.
im using polyscale boxcar red on this car, however on the caboose i used two shades of red craft paint, and that worked just as well.
im maybe 30% with this car alot more paint on the sideing is needed yet. just gotta keep working on it
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on30 4 wheel boxcar. A how-to.
