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bitlerisvj
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 Posted - 01/31/2012 : 11:30:47 AM
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Hi Glen,
I don't know what road you model, but I remember taking my Mom to the train station in Detroit where she caught a GTW to go visit my aunt in Toronto. It was pulled by an F-7 and I remember seeing it pull some stainless as well as some clerestory heavyweight cars and I was thinking, why do they still use those worn out antiques, disgusting.  I was about 16 at the time and that was around 1964 or 1965. But, I also found out recently that GTW was still using steam as well at that time.
So, depending on what road you model, these cars may not be out of line.
Regards, Vic Bitleris
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Originally posted by Glen Haasdyk
Oh I see now. It's too bad I model the late fifties. I'd like to attempt one of these myself.
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George D
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 2:29:50 PM
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I finished putting shellac on the roof. I sprayed three coats on, sanding between each coat. I put about 6 or 7 coats on the ends to seal the end grain. The ends are now nice and smooth. I finished it off with a rubbing of steel wool. This didn't take all that long. It took an hour for each coat to dry (I allowed more time) and only took a few minutes to sand. I need to do the underside next.
I also glued the four walls to the floor. The body needs to be covered with shellac before I add all the details to the bottom. I still need to find seats for the interior. I'm not planning to detail the interior, but the seats and passengers will be visible through the windows. I also have to figure how I'm going to add weight to the car. Right now it's awfully light.
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Schoolmaster
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 2:55:17 PM
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| A thin sheet of lead 'linoleum' on the floor of the car? Cast metal seats? |
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AVRR-PA
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 3:32:47 PM
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Originally posted by AVRR-PA
Thinned shellac makes a good sanding sealer. Dries very quickly and sands nicely.
Don
George, my apologies. I got wrapped up in real world stuff and didn't get bad to reading this thread until others had already answered your question. Fortunately, there are a lot of wood workers on rr-line.
I didn't think of using spray-can shellas (dumb - there are two cans of it sitting on the shelf in my shop) but that's a good suggestion.
If you buy shellac from HD or Lowe's and want to cut it for brushing (2 lb cut), I believe the proportions are 2 parts alcohol to 5 parts shellac. To get an even thinner sealer, mix the 2# cut with equal parts of alcohol.
But the spray can should be an even better idea.
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Dutchman
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 4:20:49 PM
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| That roof looks like a fine piece of furniture, George.[:-thumbu] |
Bruce
Modeling the railroads of the Jersey Highlands in HO and the logging railroads of Pennsylvania in HOn3 |
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George D
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 4:28:06 PM
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John, I think a piece of lead on the floor would work.
Don, you got me thinking about a base coat and when others joined in, I quit thinking and did it.
Thanks, Bruce. It turned out better than I thought. The shellac in a spray can is the way to go.
I have a question for you folks. Notice there is an end window missing on the side facing the camera. What would go there?
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railman28
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 4:48:06 PM
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Originally posted by George D
I have a question for you folks. Notice there is an end window missing on the side facing the camera. What would go there?
George
The toilet closet.
And, the coach is looking great. |
It's Only Make Believe
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Schoolmaster
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 5:13:19 PM
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I'm not so sure about the toilet closet. If so, it would have no window except for the clerestory.
Perhaps there is a floor plan in White. |
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Glen Haasdyk
Crew Chief
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 8:16:56 PM
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Schoolmaster
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 8:39:08 PM
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I think the stove was to heat the whole car, so not in the toilet.
I followed my own advice and had a look through White. I could not find a coach with this floor plan, but in the most similar coach, that area was a wash-hand basin, with the toilet being on the other side of the car. I could not find any plan with no window in the toilet. Nor could I find a coach with a stove in the toilet.
Some cars were fitted with water heaters for hot water systems and they were in a windowless area too. |
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Glen Haasdyk
Crew Chief
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 8:53:06 PM
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| I didn't mean there was a stove in the toilet. I meant that the windowless area was where the stove would be, since there would be no need for a window there. |
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Schoolmaster
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 9:15:16 PM
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| Sorry, I misunderstood. There's no smoke jack in the roof on the diagram of the car, so I assumed no stove there. |
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railman28
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 9:29:31 PM
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Originally posted by Schoolmaster
Sorry, I misunderstood. There's no smoke jack in the roof on the diagram of the car, so I assumed no stove there.
Toilets often had widows of tinted or colored glass so there could be some light in there. Toilets also had small roof vents. Stoves were in one corner (two corners in 1st class) and they never heated the whole car. That pleased some passengers who liked it a little cooler. Mentally reviewing the cars I'm familiar with I have to change my original opinion having concluded that the stove location would be a better explanation for the window spacing. There does need to be a smoke jack above it. |
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Schoolmaster
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 9:41:55 PM
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When I said that the stove heated the whole car, I was contrasting that with my mistaken interpretation that the stove was in the toilet.
I can see no sign of a smoke jack above that part of the car in the diagram, but there may be one at the other end of the car, on the far side.
Toilets do not have end windows usually, so I still like the idea of a hand basin on this side and the toilet on the other, with the extra window. |
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AVRR-PA
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 10:12:47 PM
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Since we're just having fun speculating - maybe there was a luggage rack in that area?
The roof looks great.
Don |
Edited by - AVRR-PA on 02/02/2012 10:14:04 PM |
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10th Anniversary Challenge – La Belle Coach Kit
