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deemery
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USA
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Posted - 02/01/2012 :  10:28:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some inspiration:

Chuck Doan's machine shop:
http://public.fotki.com/ChuckDoan/model_projects/railroad_repair/

Mario Rapinett's photos of Sierra RR Jamestown shops:
http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_workshop-_railtown__jamestown.html

Western Scale Models book on the Sierra RR shops:
http://www.westernscalemodels.com/Books/Books.htm

East Broad Tops shops:
http://www.spikesys.com/EBT/Shops/
Video of the steam engine running:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKgGomZKeaw
HABS records for EBT shops:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=pphhphoto&action=browse&fileName=pa/pa3300/pa3370/photos/browse.db&recNum=0&itemLink=D?hh:17:./temp/~pp_gntI::@@@mdb=fsaall,brum,detr,swann,look,gottscho,pan,horyd,genthe,var,cai,cd,hh,yan,lomax,ils,prok,brhc,nclc,matpc,iucpub,tgmi,lamb,hec,krb&title2=East%20Broad%20Top%20Railroad%20%26%20Coal%20Company,%20Machine%20Shop,%20State%20Route%20994,%20West%20of%20U.S.%20Route%20522,%20Rockhill%20Furnace,%20Huntingdon%20County,%20PA&displayType=1 (If this link doesn't work, go to memory.loc.gov and search for "East Broad Top")

My videos of the duplicating cutter at the machine shop in Denton NC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCv61W79MBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bmtd-F4CTU
(Gives you an idea what these machines sound like when running.)

Please feel free to add to this list.

dave

Modeling 1890s (because the voices in my head told me to)
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railman28
Fireman

USA
5336 Posts

Posted - 02/01/2012 :  6:04:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Of inspiration;
There is also a tread on building an On30 engine house with a small shop attached in these forums. The Search engine wouldn't work for me. But I found it very helpful, especially for my framing.
I found Bill's book on the Sierra RR's shops to be essential. The HABS records of the EBT shops was also essential is providing belt ratios and layouts for machinery that were steam powered and older than the Sierra's.
I found the book "Illustrated Machine-Tools of 1885" (ISBN #0-917914-00-7) very helpful too.

As useful as photographs are try and walk through one. In the East, the Hadley in NJ has a small one. The Ford Museum has a nice size general service shop. I understand that the EBT's shops are closed to the public but I'm sure that if you get a hold of Lee Rainey a private tour could be arranged.

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deemery
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USA
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Posted - 02/01/2012 :  6:45:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was able to walk through the Denton NC museum machine shop. Although I've been thinking about machine shops for a while, the Denton experience was a huge impetus to actually go do it (along with seeing the Winchendon prototype model at NNGC).

dave

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deemery
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USA
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Posted - 02/03/2012 :  3:00:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Add this to the 'inspiration' set: http://www.shorpy.com/node/12320#comments See the very informative discussion on some of the machines visible in this photo.

dave

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railman28
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USA
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Posted - 02/03/2012 :  3:52:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by deemery

Add this to the 'inspiration' set: http://www.shorpy.com/node/12320#comments See the very informative discussion on some of the machines visible in this photo.

dave



That was great Dave.

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deemery
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USA
7967 Posts

Posted - 02/11/2012 :  9:20:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The kit recommends the SS Ltd boiler, but I think that's too big for the annex space. So I scratch-bashed* a smaller boiler along the same lines. I "liberated" some pieces from an old stationary locomotive-style boiler, and searched Google Books and Archive.org for pictures of water tube boilers for inspiration.

The upper doors are bashed from some old MDC Old Time boxcar end doors. The trim comes from various Evergreen styrene shapes.

I shaped some wood blocks and then formed brick paper around them. I'm using the same SS Ltd brick paper and SS Ltd metal riveted plate for the boiler top that the SS Ltd kit uses.

I scrounged through various parts bins and came up with some old loco parts. The smokestack ring is from an MDC old-time loco stack set, bored out to fit the 3/8" brass tube. The dome is something else from that parts box, with some pop valve-like thingies. I'm using parts from an O scale Western Model Works piping kit that uses 1/8" tubing, so the dome is bored for that as the steam line.

I found a nice brass valve casting and put that on the front for a water level check valve.

Here's the boiler sitting on the pad. Don't forget there needs to be room to add coal to the boiler and to generally maintain it, so I think this is a more reasonable size boiler for the space. I still have work to do on this, including the side bracing and then weathering and working out the piping runs, but I'm happy with how this came out.

There's more painting, weathering, etc to do.

I want to acknowledge inspiration from two threads that show the SS Ltd kit: http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35000&whichpage=3 and http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35010 Without these threads, I wouldn't have been able to get this far.


dave

* I made up this term for something that is assembled from "repurposed" pieces from the part bin.

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Schoolmaster
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USA
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Posted - 02/11/2012 :  9:23:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very creative. That 'scratch' stuff is so useful.
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railman28
Fireman

USA
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Posted - 02/11/2012 :  10:22:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice looking boiler Dave. It's a more appropriate size without resorting to a "locomotive" type boiler.

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deemery
Fireman

USA
7967 Posts

Posted - 02/12/2012 :  9:30:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I weathered the boiler, combination of drybrushing dark gray (and a slight blue tone) and then MIG Productions pigments (dark smoke, gunmetal, ashes). Then I started to assemble the piping (O Scale Western Scale Models set).

Unfortunately, tonight was one of those nights when the [:-censored] superglue wanted to stick to my fingers rather than to the metal, so this didn't come together quite as well/easily as I expected. It was a 4 curseword job to get those pieces together.

I still need to add the side braces. I've painted Evergreen channel for that, just need to cut, touch up the paint, and glue. But not tonight!

Thanks again to Nelson458 and ClosetGuy for great photos of their weathered boilers.

dave

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Edited by - deemery on 02/12/2012 9:36:51 PM
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deemery
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USA
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Posted - 02/17/2012 :  8:31:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, Ben Rechel convinced me the steam line I did last weekend was too big. So I worked a new line in 1/16" Plastruct rod. I cut little .040 slices from 1/8" Evergreen tubing for flanges. The valve comes from an old Model Masterpieces piping set.

Also today I got a "goodie box" from Rio Grande Models with more machine tools and belt drive sets. This weekend's focus will be on building the machine tools to go into the shop, so I can then plan the layout of the shop floor and belt drive.

dave

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Schoolmaster
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USA
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Posted - 02/17/2012 :  9:33:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking good. Are you going to put any asbestos lagging on the steam-line?
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wanderingsailor
Engine Wiper

USA
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Posted - 02/17/2012 :  9:48:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And shiny brass bands around the lagging? I spent a weekend in an 1840s mill engine room-simple but elegant.
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railman28
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USA
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Posted - 02/17/2012 :  10:42:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wanderingsailor

And shiny brass bands around the lagging? I spent a weekend in an 1840s mill engine room-simple but elegant.



no pictures?

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railman28
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USA
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Posted - 02/17/2012 :  10:44:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The new line looks better to me Dave.

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deemery
Fireman

USA
7967 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2012 :  03:38:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Schoolmaster

Looking good. Are you going to put any asbestos lagging on the steam-line?

When did asbestos lagging come into common practice?

dave

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