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kirk
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 Posted - 09/23/2011 : 05:47:37 AM
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| Nice studies! If you have the snoot try running some slightly darker/greener grass along the edges of grass patches, and try dusting some freshly grassed areas with a little mixed fine ground foam, which will settle in the glue between the straws of grass... it is great fun experimenting. |
Troels Kirk
Näsum, Sweden
http://coastline.no13.se |
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Geezer
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USA
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wesleybeks
Fireman
South Africa
2209 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2011 : 06:11:40 AM
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The grass does look good.
I think the odd log awell as some trees and it will look terrific. |
Regards
Wes.
Dont leave for tomorrow what you can do today. |
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milocomarty
Fireman
Netherlands
4927 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2011 : 06:23:11 AM
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He Andy, nice start on the grassmaster fun !! Silfor looks good..
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but heres my problem (and hopefuly where someone can help me) all my tests of doubleing up, have been hoovered and loose fibers collected, however some fibers still remain loose and can be pulled out with little effort with my fingers, at 1st i thought this was just because of what i had used to double layers up, however the same can be said for where i have a single layer, fixed down with neat-kinda tacky PVA glue, i must admit i did not put a very thick layer of glue down and i wonder if this has playd a part?
On this matter I use a PVA straight out of the can for the first layer (maybe thin a tiny bit) in a rather thick coat. The original Noch grass glue is a rather thick glue too. Always use a spray of water (the misty kind) before playin with the grassmaster.
For the next layers the glue (PVA or matte medium) is thinned that much it will spray with a pump bottle.
Never used sprayglue on grasses but it can be sealed with mat laquer, dullcoat will work too or a finnish of matte medium (thined)
Most of the times I do a coat or 2 with matte medium as a finish ( it's a acrylic and a glue so it'll glue the loose fibers) but you might give it a try with PVA |
Grtz Martin..
http://cardiganbaycoastalrailroad.wordpress.com/ |
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3878 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2011 : 08:22:51 AM
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great idea troels, i have a few extra shades on order (i only have 4 shades at the moment) but i have a tone of foam and stuff in the garage to use too this is more a getting use to the grassmaster/layering static then a run up to the layout :)
bill, i AM that youngester ;)
thanks wes, i have a handful of bits and bobs to stick down before/during the gassing of the layout, mainly things like boxes, the odd drum etc.
martin, i think that was my mistake, not enough glue on the 1st layer, the thined PVA glue for the 2nd layer has done a far better job then the neat pva or sprey glue, and dullcote after has done a pretty good job and sticking things down (as well as removing the slight "mouses head" feel of static grass) the PVA spreyed on top has done an OK job just spreyed that with dullcote to see how the two come out, may try a thicker PVA to water and alcohol for the layout, if my pump bottles last (i brought two to do the tile grout, ones nozzles has died (its squirting out the side) and the other dosnt always return to pump again :P) i think they should live just long enough :P
the only other problem i have is keeping me away from the layout :D its been so long and im iching to get started, however i want these other shades with me 1st (more so since i need the shorter greener fibers to go around the edges/low levels/mixed with everything else before i can really get going.
i wonder if this is what gun owners feel like when they purchase a new wepon, you know you want to try it, but you know you cant :P |
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milocomarty
Fireman
Netherlands
4927 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2011 : 08:58:52 AM
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Originally posted by andykins
the only other problem i have is keeping me away from the layout :D its been so long and im iching to get started, however i want these other shades with me 1st (more so since i need the shorter greener fibers to go around the edges/low levels/mixed with everything else before i can really get going.
 no problem in starting a bit already I think. Do the same. Started with these real bright fibers on the Geezer's added layer after layer, also foam and stuff later. A layout does look completely different with greens on it.. |
Grtz Martin..
http://cardiganbaycoastalrailroad.wordpress.com/ |
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3878 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2011 : 09:24:47 AM
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aye, the bright neon grass will get used somewhere and somehow.
quick update on the grass, over spray with pva glue and water worked pretty ok. dullcote work ok. dullcote ontop of water down pva (after that had dried) work solid and as dull as beige ;)
just a little update of what ive been upto, not alot modelling wise....
this is the little section of fncing ive been working on to go next to the road crossing
turns out its pretty hard to get the barb wire to show very well with my camera, this was the best i could get :p
i just hope i have enough space to put it where i want
also started some bushes like martins
they need a trim and a thinning out before spreying and going from there, i didnt have any dry lube spray so i used some clingfilm (shrinkwrap) this works pretty well as it takes a little effort to remove it from the base, but firm enough to play around with the bushes.
lastly i said a few weeks ago that i picked up some bachmann old time coachs just for the trucks, since they looked just like (oddly enough) like old passange car trucks
see.
the coupling bar will need to come off, as will the push fit bit, but theres already a hole in the centre ready for a screw
enjoy |
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3878 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2011 : 08:04:15 AM
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so, still not alot going on, but a couple things to update on.
firstly, leo kindly sent me a box of bash fodder, with in where a handful of castings, some i have use for now so painted them over the weekend while we had such lovely weather, but i wanted to try useing only washes.
both started with grey primer, and worked over with layer after layer of very thin paint washes and A&I i think they look pretty good, the rust on the bands of the barrel where done with thin washes of gouache.
lastly before i go read the new gazette, i started another set of bushes.
just a short bit of wire with all the silly bits of seamoss that fall off and sit around in the bottom of the box, infact i think these would even work as full sized trees in z-n gauge :D however ive run out of the darker grey sprey i use, so these might be sitting for a bit, but the plan is to try some with grass fibers and then leaves/foam, and the rest with just foam/leaves to see what they look like, and lately around here we're starting to see trees with no leaves on so im kinda thinking about making a small tree with no leaves.
itching to get started on grassing my layout, just at the whim of a store at the moment :P soon hopefuly. i even have a plan "picked" from an old barry norman (very great british modeler) senicing book.
till then. |
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milocomarty
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Netherlands
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visman48
Fireman
USA
4485 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2011 : 11:15:51 AM
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Andy
Thanks for sharing the experiments with grassmaster, grass, and glue. I tried similar experiement with watered down glue...looked awfull, I went back and tried separate experiment with the thick white glue I purchased when I got my grassmaster..that worked well. Like you the greens are bad, thats why I like the late summer blends.
My next experiments will be centered around mix of different lengths, 4mm 6mm and longer custom stuff. (blondish halloween wig hair hand cut in lengths.
I like the sealing with dullcoat, and have actually brushed paint on the green material, and have airbrushed browns and tans over the greener materials...which is what I like.
Thanks again for sharing...
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3878 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2011 : 11:21:56 AM
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thanks martin, id take a photo of the 1st batch but im not 100% happy with them, far to dence, maybe when i can add some noch leaves tot hem they'll look better :P
yes it seams late summer shades seam to be the best, i was talking to the guy who i brought my grassmaster (whitch included some grasses int he deal) and he said he would run out of the late summer-eary autumn shades before he got them out the boxes :P i have a couple darker greens that are shorter for around the edges etc i tired martins sudgestion of misting some water around where i was going to lay grass, and that seamed to help, give that a try les! |
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Geezer
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USA
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andykins
Fireman
United Kingdom
3878 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2011 : 04:13:25 AM
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thanks bill.
yeah its one of those things that takes a bit of getting use too, once we figure out glues/glue thicknesses and mixtures of grasses there'd be no stopping us :D |
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Geezer
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USA
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milocomarty
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Netherlands
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numpty's creek narrow gauge RR
