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Coaltrain
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1375 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2019 :  1:23:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
last weekend I had a chance to visit one of my model railroad idols, Dave Meek of the Tunder Mesa On30 layout. Dave used to post here at Railroad line, which is where I first learned of him and his modeling, but now mainly post on his facebook page. I loved seeing his work here, and personally I don't like to use facebook, but it makes since for him to post in only one location and have it be facebook.

When I first looked at Dave's layout I was stunned, it looks amazing in person, and what I mean is that it looks fantastic in photos and double fantastic in person. It is really hard to take it all in. I found myself trying to push my body to walk around the layout by my eyes would be stuck locked on to the detail. Dave is a master of color and composition and you can get trapped in one 24" area just trying to take in that spot, move a few inches and the scene looks all new and your trying to take that all in.

Dave is also a serious model builder as well, his structure models and his scratch built rolling stock is so well built. Dave was building a new structure at his work bench and it was as much fun an memorizing to look at that under construction model as it was to see one that was finished.

And above all the amazing models, perfectly painted and blended backdrop, super detailed scenery, magical scene composition...the layout RUNS, and it runs well. His layout construction and track laying is flawless.

if you can't tell, I love the Thunder Mesa. I would say if you are in the state of Arizona and it is the first Saturday of the month, you are close enough that you better make your way to see that layout. And if you think you won't like it because it is Disney related you'll be wrong. I would have to say this could be one of the best layouts being built right now. If the model railroader magazine community was not so hung up right now on prototype this or that Dave's layout would be all over it, much like John Allen or Malcom Furlow was.








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quarryman
Fireman

USA
1200 Posts

Posted - 04/30/2019 :  08:14:03 AM  Show Profile  Visit quarryman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jeff-

Unfortunately Janet and I missed Dave when we visited the old mining town of Jerome last autumn. But we did get to ride the Verde Canyon excursion train. There are a lot of things to do and see in that area, whether you are into industrial archeology, model railroading or not.

Mark Chase
Richmond VA
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Coaltrain
Fireman

1375 Posts

Posted - 05/07/2019 :  2:05:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
not much going on these days, just waiting for parts to show up. I had a few minutes to kill so I did a short video of the new Shay, pardon the missing backdrop, I did not survive the move and a new one has not been ordered yet.

https://youtu.be/Mk68UHGWzII
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Coaltrain
Fireman

1375 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2019 :  06:27:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have made some more progress on Shay #8, however I have not taken a photo yet. I lost some steam (pun intended) on finishing it because something happened last week that is going to cause me not to finish it. I purchased another Kemtron shay kit that is unbuilt and decided to redo my #8 to even better match Manns Creek #8. at the time I built my #8 I was did not know as much about Shays as I do now and I just freelanced something that looked like MC#8. Then as the years went on I learned that the boiler on my #8 was way wrong and it really bothered my, so a few months ago I made a new boiler, which is not correct either. After a few correspondence with Brian Bond I learned that MC#8 was a special 42 ton shay that was build with a longer tender that most, which gives it this look that is bigger than your typical 42 ton shay. Also, the Kemtron shay is a 37 ton shay, which just means that the cylinders are 2" shorter than a 42 ton shay (basically speaking). Also, the MC shay was a more modern 42 ton shay which had a bigger boiler diameter at the firebox and a very pronounced tapered section with the sand done over the taper. with the purchase of this "New" Kemtron shay I have the chance to start over and do it more correctly.

so here is the new plan, I am going to make flat pattern drawings of the boiler and cab of MC#8 and build a new cab/boiler out of brass. The steam and sand domes will be designed in CAD and I will have them 3D printed in brass. I am either going to modify the Kemtron cylinders to make them bigger or recreate them in CAD so I can modify the CAD models and 3D print brass cylinders. I will also have to build a new longer frame and this time I will do as I did with my #2 shay and use real wood for the floors and this time maybe even the pilot beams. I will also have to flat pattern and roll my own smoke stack because the MC had a bigger stack with a more squat top than the PSC casting. in he end I will pretty much only be using the trucks an the cylinder parts, the rest will most likely go back on Ebay with all the other Kemtron parts I will never need.

One side goal of the new #8 shay is that I want to see if I can figure out a better way to drive the shay so I don't have to use a coreless micro motor. The micro motors do not play well with all decoders and I really want to go back to using a Wow decoder instead of the ESU decoders, mostly because I like the way TCS does their whistles and the brakes.

So what will happen with old #8, it will become #2. "Wait a minute" you say, "you just finished shay #2"? I did, but I also did that one wrong as well. Again, when I did not know that much about shays I just looked at a picture and saw that MC#2 was smaller than MC#8 and built mine as such. The truth is that both of those shays are 42 ton shays, #8 just looks bigger because it is the later version of 42 ton shays with the bigger boiler, a modern cab, and that special long tender. I built my #2 from a 26 ton PSC shay with is much too small. I will renumber my #2 to a fictional number and just keep it as is to use on my little coal branch...maybe, and use my old #8 to build a new #2. MC shay #2 is a mid production 42 ton shay with a boiler much like the fictional one I just built for it when I was redoing it a few months ago. I may keep that boiler and just build a new cab and tender for it, or I may just start over and roll a new boiler to match a new cab and tender.

that sounds like a lot, and it is, but it should be fun to see these shays come to life again. After that if I find another Kemtron shay I will consider building MC#5, which is actually a 37 ton shay with a special order cab and tender, and it is also super heated, which is really cool.
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Coaltrain
Fireman

1375 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2019 :  06:46:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I almost forgot. After my visit to the Thunder Mesa I got inspired to work on a structure. I wanted to try and see if I could do what Dave Meek did and build one from illustration board, inside and out. Well it turns out I can't, sort of. I tried using paper to get the look of clap boards but not being an artist I could not get the boards to look they way Dave can and the structure I picked was going to be right at the layouts edge. I decided to do a hybrid method and use Dave's basic two ply walls but cover the outside with Chuck Doan style peeled paint boards. Chuck's method is pretty slick and I like the way it is turning out.

I decided to build the Manns Creek coke office structure that was located right behind the stone engine house. Brian Bond and I visited the site in 2014 and the only thing left of the office was the stone pillars it sat on and the brick vault. I was not able to include this structure on the previous layout because the mainline had to curve around behind the engine house, now the mainline will go straight for a few feet and I now have the space to include this structure.

here is the progress so far.







I am going to do a full interior, and thanks to Ted Schnepf and some fellow RRL members I have some good information of what the interior might have looked like. the most interesting features of the structure is the brick vault with its 1" thick steel plate floor and the barhroom with a bathtub in it (pretty strange for that time period).


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Michael Hohn
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USA
6364 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2019 :  10:40:40 AM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Your plans for locomotive building are ambitious; when you get started Iíll be interested in watching you do it.

The weathered siding turned out looking highly realistic, particularly in the variety among different boards.

Mike

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Nobody living can ever stop me, as I go walking that freedom highway -- Woody Guthrie
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Coaltrain
Fireman

1375 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  12:31:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
using a photo that Mark Chase corrected I made a quick dimensional layout of the side of Shay #8. I can use this drawing to build my 3D model. The 3D model will be created in Autodesk Inventor. I will use Inventors sheet metal function to generate the flat patterns for my photo etched parts. the parts I plan on casting in brass using Shapeways 3D printed investment casting process I will model in inventor as solids. Test parts will be printed using either a FDM printer or the Anycubic resin printer. The nice thing is that I can generate some quick crude plastic parts to test fit and function (especially the drive line) before I spend the big bucks on the brass parts. If I were to do more of this in the future I would consider investing in my own casting equipment.



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Coaltrain
Fireman

1375 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  10:38:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Made some good progress on the Shay 3D models, I got the outside cylinder casting done. I left off the covers on the ends and side of the cylinder so I can make those separate parts for two reasons, one it will hide the seam, and two it will allow me to have smooth covers or exposed bolt head covers

this is the 37 ton cylinders, the 42 ton version will be 2" taller in the cylinder area only


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Chris333
Engine Wiper

292 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2019 :  2:25:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I drew up some 3D pilots for a HOn30 Climax. I printed them on my Photon, but thought it would be better to have the large part in brass for weight. Even though I swore not to use Shapeways again, they did a good job on the brass parts:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6uFb6bWweAM7P7Bq7
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us-okrim
New Hire

USA
22 Posts

Posted - 11/07/2019 :  1:49:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jeff, we have not heard from you in a long time and I am sure a lot of us are itching for an update on your inspiring model railroading adventures. Winter is about to set in in Minnesota so.... Any progress on the workbench or in the layout room? Maybe even another change of mind and a new inspiring layout plan?

Greetings from Atlanta, GA. Mirko
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Coaltrain
Fireman

1375 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2019 :  05:49:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thanks for checking in, I am still around, life just stepped in for a while. I will get back to RR stuff soon.
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Coaltrain
Fireman

1375 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2019 :  08:09:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the trouble with life is there are so many fun things to do.....and then there is something called a job. Same old song, my work is just really busy and there is nobody that seems to be qualified to hire to help. I have been working 70+ hour weeks on a very large protein concentrate plant in Russia, building a 1000 sqft shop, and rebuilding my Nova motor to factory stock. however snow is falling and the shop is not heated yet so I am crawling back to the basement.

there is something about trying to get motivated to model again after a long break, I find if very hard. I think for me it is because I typically work on stuff with motivation I get from the spark of an idea, and if I let that fire cool off I lose the that spark and motivation. such is the case with my two current projects, the shay and the office building.

The shay project got stalled for two reasons, first I am having a hard time finding the parts I need to build the new drive line. I am looking for a supplier of gears and timing belts (like the ones Bachmann uses in its HO scale locomotives). Also, I needed to get an STL printer set up and operating. I am still looking for drive parts but I am in the process of setting up the printer to make some test parts. The second reason is that after I returned from the Thunder Mesa I got inspired to do a building, so I started on the office.

the office building project got stalled because my work ramped up, and because I had to paint up all the interior detail parts. I always found build interiors fun to look at but I never really liked to do them on my stuff. I had purchased that pile of parts and I was just dragging my feet with the painting. well I made myself paint the stuff and it re-energized me to work on the office again.

sometimes the best way to get going is just set a really small goal that is easy to finish, so I picked the office bathroom. I had almost all the parts I needed to finish the interior so it seamed the easiest. I also came into possession of a hand drawn diagram of all the details of the office interior from a former employee of the Manns Creek railway. the drawing was made in 1974 it is very detailed. the only omission was what the walls looked like (color). The bathroom on the office is interesting because it has a Kerosene water heater in the corner and a bathtub. I had no idea of what a kerosene water heater looked like so I googled some images and still didn't have that great of an idea, so I just tacked glued an object in the corner as a place holder and decided that if I ever find a good image, or see one in person, I can 3D print a replacement. I figured that the water heater may have been an add in item so I ran pipes along the wall to the bathtub, I am not sure this is what was really there but it added some detail to the plain looking walls. I am going to add a mirror over the sink and maybe a towel hook.




Edited by - Coaltrain on 11/29/2019 08:14:09 AM
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jbvb
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USA
6476 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2019 :  08:28:20 AM  Show Profile  Visit jbvb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A good start. I also get stalled by the work required by interiors. I've tried one that's partly photographic but I have a lot more to do.
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Michael Hohn
Fireman

USA
6364 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2019 :  10:34:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit Michael Hohn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think your rendition of a kerosene water heater is very credible. Similarly, the exposed pipes. Overall, a very good bathroom. I noticed the tub needs a little clean up.

Iíve collected pictures of store and other interiors but rarely get around to using them.

Mike

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Nobody living can ever stop me, as I go walking that freedom highway -- Woody Guthrie
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quarryman
Fireman

USA
1200 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2019 :  07:30:30 AM  Show Profile  Visit quarryman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jeff-

Could you identify where the office will be on your track plan?

Thanks,

Mark Chase
Richmond VA
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