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hon3_rr
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 Posted - 04/22/2011 : 09:36:47 AM
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Dallas,
You have done such great work here I hate to voice this, so put it in the 'for what it's worth' bucket. For some reason, and I can not tell you why, the stairs also do not seem 'quite right' somehow. I have not commented on them in the past as I can't really say what seems off or offer any real suggestions. The stairs are very well done, and will probably not be really studied under such a critical eye when on the diorama, and thus will probably not be really noticed, but currently, well.... for whatever it's worth.... |
--KP
Life is to short to make all of the models I want to. |
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dallas_m
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2011 : 10:20:04 AM
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Ron & KP --
Interesting notes ... and ALL ideas are welcome even if they don't agree what's happening (or seems to be happening) at the time! 
My childhood home had metal stairs very similar to the ones shown above. That house was full masonry (brick) and built in the early 1960s. Some of the houses in the neighborhood were a mix of brick and wood. Always liked the "clang" of the metal stairs ...
I'm pretty much set on replacing the stairs previously shown ... was thinking more of a lighter construction ... similar to what's shown above, but not quite as nasty for high-heels as this one! (Not for me, for the LADIES who'll live here.)
I climbed many metal staircases in my childhood ... but that was the 1960s rather than the 1940s. I did find a patent for pressed steel stairs dating to 1915. Cast iron stairs and fire escape date back to the 19th century.
Really like the juxtaposition of wood, metal and brick ... if it works ... but wood stairs are still an option ... and, they'd actually be easier to make.
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Originally posted by hon3_rr
Dallas,
You have done such great work here I hate to voice this, so put it in the 'for what it's worth' bucket. For some reason, and I can not tell you why, the stairs also do not seem 'quite right' somehow ....
And, I'll reiterate ... it's NOT like I'm Michelangelo and y'all are a bunch of art critics that "don't get it". We're all in the same boat, and I find the various views quite helpful ... and often the divergent views are the most helpful. Those are the ones that cause me to "re-think" things ... and sometimes that's a real good idea! 
(Okay, sometimes I do feel like I'm Picasso and nobody gets it, but that's a whole 'nother story!) |
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dallas_m
Fireman
USA
3003 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2011 : 10:35:40 AM
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Originally posted by CN6401
Dallas,
I'm not sure how I got steered toward this site or whether my buddy gave it to me, but I want to share it with you. As soon as I saw this I thought of your build. Have a look maybe there are some more ideas for you. Maybe you already know this guy or have seen his work, if so it's worth a look anyway.
http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_anders_malmberg.html
Ralph
Anders just sent me some "preview" photos of what he's doing in 1/35 scale ... cool stuff. I'll let y'all know when he posts something on the forums. |
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Ensign
Fireman
Canada
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Posted - 04/22/2011 : 10:59:31 AM
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Hey Dallas & Kris, I have built many sets of stairs in my line of work.
After reading the post from Kris, I went back and had a better look at what Picasso/Dallas built.
The bottom/first step is a little high compared too the rest of the steps.
A well built set of stairs will always have equal rises in all steps, including the first step from the ground.The rise of steps looks a bit low perhaps resulting in more steps being used.
A good rule of thumb is a step should never rise more then 8 inches from the top of one tread to the other.
I would be interested too know what rise your steps actually have Dallas.
Other then that, I like the metal stairs you have built,and would not have noticed anything if Kris had not brought my attention to look at them with a more critical eye once again.
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sgtbob
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sgtbob
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dallas_m
Fireman
USA
3003 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2011 : 6:23:12 PM
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Highly sophisticated planning underway ... this scan is a bit larger than the actual drawing on a post-it note.
Notice the artfully rendered wooden stairs.
PS -- Received a package of RC laser board from Walt at Rusty Stumps today (very quick service, thanks!) ... and I'll be darned if that dark brown material doesn't look just like a miniature sheet of masonite!
So, after the Cafe gets finished and fitted with a cozy little apartment ... and after Millie and Ginger move in ... and Ginger gets a head of hair ... and Mr. Mudgeon drops by to work on Millie's car ... and somehow Ginger ends up working in the shop and giving him a bunch of trouble ... well, then we can quickly and easily build that masonite tool board shown some pages back. No wonder this is all going so quickly! [:-thumbu]
PPS -- Using my amazing psychic powers and the power of post-editing, I predict that Greg will make a painful art joke! [:-timebm] |
Edited by - dallas_m on 04/22/2011 6:46:54 PM |
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Ensign
Fireman
Canada
3709 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2011 : 6:27:43 PM
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This looks nothing like a Picasso!
Like Pablo said,"Ear today gone tomorrow".
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Ensign
Fireman
Canada
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Posted - 04/22/2011 : 6:32:04 PM
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Oops! my daughter who's in university studying art, informs me my little pun did not apply to Picasso.
So I am Van going out of here!
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hon3_rr
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2011 : 7:35:14 PM
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--KP
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dallas_m
Fireman
USA
3003 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2011 : 01:55:31 AM
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Doing some experimentation and practice painting on some scrap wall sections to work out the finishes for the styrene portions of the building. This section needs a shot of clear flat coat and the pix were shot with a flash, so there are some glare spots.
Other than that, seems to be pretty close to what I'm after here ... so, now I have to sort thru all the crazy experimental steps to get rid of the ones that aren't necessary ... then I'll post some notes and pix once that's all worked out. |
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Geezer
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USA
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visman48
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 04/24/2011 : 08:05:47 AM
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Dallas
I like this wall, is it crackle paint combination there of? Ann did a crackle teach up at Hudson and there was much interest. Size of cracks dependent upon thickness of application. So I am really interested in what you have done.
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anders
Section Hand
Sweden
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Posted - 04/24/2011 : 09:42:05 AM
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That crackle paint looks great Dallas! If itīs the Tom Holz stuff which color is this? I have the "Faded Jeans" but thatīs like a baby blue. Anyway excellent work there...! By the way if your intention is to have this look on the Cafe sign that might be kind of difficult as the lettering is already there but Iīm sure you thought about that already.
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dallas_m
Fireman
USA
3003 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2011 : 12:04:04 PM
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Geezer -- Thanks! "Me too" on the metal stairs, but I think these guys have pretty well convinced me that some wooden stairs will look more "ordinary" and blend in better. And, since I have to scratchbuild something, the wood stairs will actually be a lot easier!
Les -- Yes and you're right. The size of the crackle depends on the thickness. More notes to follow ...
Anders -- You're right too! Those signs will be tricky. I *think* I have figured out my approach there, but we'll have to see if it actually works. BTW, they also make a CLEAR crackle and I have some of that. So, it's possible to apply distress over the signs and use some inks/gouache to color in the cracks ... we'll see what happens. Oh yeah, speaking of color ... this is a mix of the "black" and "white" crackle paints, which produces a somewhat cool (bluish) gray.
General Notes:
-- Used the "Tim Holtz Distress crackle paint" made by Ranger and sold at Michaels, etc., and all over the web.
-- This is thick, weird paint! Very different from any of our "normal" hobby paints. I did a LOT of test patches, panels and practice pieces and encourage others to do the same before approaching a "serious" model. Try brushing some out on cardstock, glossy paper, plastic, wood, etc. to see how it acts in different situations.
-- The paints can be thinned, mixed together and/or tinted with other acrylic inks or paints. There are limits. Don't know what those are, but have done some preliminary stuff to "get a feel" for this material. Again, my best advice there is to try it yourself on some scrap material.
"Quickie" notes on what I did here:
-- Again, this is a practice piece and the best advice I can give at this point is to experiment and practice before approaching a valued or complex model!
-- This piece: Evergreen styrene; Krylon primer; base coloring and texture; clear flat spray; hairspray; gloss coat; THIN coat of mixed gray crackle to produce SMALL cracks. Diluted Vallejo ink to highlight the cracks a bit and soften the paint to allow some hairspray chipping.
-- The hairspray chipping is another thing that requires considerable practice on its own. How much comes off depends on how much hairspray is there, how much water is soaked into the top coat of paint and what sort of tools and pressure are used to make the chips. Go easy.
-- More details after I get a chance to sort & edit pix. |
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