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clinchvalley
Engine Wiper

USA
193 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2011 :  9:23:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit clinchvalley's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Excellent layout and fun watching you build it. I'll echo Bill's comment above, never too early to think about or start operations. Even if just on a portion of the layout with only a handful of trains, what you learn about your concept will be used wisely.
Keep the updates coming.

Larry
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Harsco
Fireman

USA
1200 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2011 :  9:44:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I concur with Bill's suggestion: start some level of ops as soon as you can, if nothing else than to "validate" that what you have now is really capable of providing what you envisioned. Speaking from experience, the mill operations will especially benefit from moving the normal cuts of ore, dolomite and coke just to verify that it can be done without unnecessary fouling of the main or throwing a monkey wrench into some other part of the operating scheme. I think mark will back me up on that; many times he's had to literally re-arrange the schedule to better accommodate my addle-brained requests while making sure that adding a car here or a switch there isn't going to foul something up further down the line.

Suggestion: focus on getting your mill tracks in, then run a "short" session like Mark, Steam, and I did early on in HTRR history, even before the rest of the schedule had been decided. Our very first session was nothing more than moving ore, dolomite, and coke into Herr Street.

Don't sweat having enough cars...Harsco has a generous one-day renter program available.....we even take credit cards.

Make sure your staging tracks for specified cuts are identified and long enough...sounds simple, but it's vital. A lot of what we ended up schedule wise with was based on what staging tracks were available for the length of train needed. Doing this now also has the added benefit of identifying exactly how many cars you truly need, which is a whole lot better than guessing, trust me.



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MarkF
Engineer

USA
10372 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2011 :  11:07:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit MarkF's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sounds like a great idea to me! I couldn't agree more. All the thinking and ideas of the world are fine, but once the wheels start rolling, the layout has a way of telling YOU whats going to happen.

So when do we start?

Mark

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dnhman
Fireman

USA
1056 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2011 :  08:51:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You know on Dick Gentheners layout he started operations when about half of the lyout was actually complete. He just added to the sessions as new sections were completed. This allowed him to define the schedule and make improvements as suggestions and operating made thisngs "show up"

Cheers!, Joe
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nhguy
Fireman

USA
4241 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2011 :  2:00:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit nhguy's Homepage  Send nhguy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Be careful of HARSCO's offer of rent a car. I hear the per diem rate is a killer! LOL!

Bill


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MarkF
Engineer

USA
10372 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2011 :  11:26:18 PM  Show Profile  Visit MarkF's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nhguy

Be careful of HARSCO's offer of rent a car. I hear the per diem rate is a killer! LOL!

Bill



Yeah, Bill is right! He learned from Steam and I and is looking for a way to make back some of that lost revenue!

Mark

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Steam Nut
Fireman

USA
1447 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2011 :  07:05:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Matt, I have ore cars that are just back off lease from you know who so lets talk!!!!! I will update my rates!!
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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2011 :  1:51:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mike, Twist & Clinch,

Thanks for the comments and taking the time to review the thread. Summer is always tough but like Eric said earlier, progress is progress. Having a group of good friends is a huge plus in so many ways. Very appreciative of any and all of their help.

Hope to get another update soon.

MK

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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2011 :  1:56:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bill (NH Guy),

Thanks again for the suggestion on getting some limited ops going. It's something that MarkF, Harsco and Steam have been starting to hint about but I think your comments helped push me over to where I need to be. The thought of being a couple of hundred cars short was holding me back somewhat. Thanks again. I'm sure that I'm closer now than I thought I was, maybe within a couple of months if I get going.

Thanks again,

MK

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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2011 :  2:05:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MarkF

quote:
Originally posted by nhguy

Be careful of HARSCO's offer of rent a car. I hear the per diem rate is a killer! LOL!

Bill



Yeah, Bill is right! He learned from Steam and I and is looking for a way to make back some of that lost revenue!



What a great idea, think he'd mind if everything came back re-stenciled for the Penn Central? It is prototypical. We all know how much Harsco LOVES the worms in love logo!!!! LOL. How about it Harsco? I'm in, already have the decals ready to go for about 100 cars or so.

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Harsco
Fireman

USA
1200 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2011 :  7:52:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pcmatt

quote:
Originally posted by MarkF

quote:
Originally posted by nhguy

Be careful of HARSCO's offer of rent a car. I hear the per diem rate is a killer! LOL!

Bill



Yeah, Bill is right! He learned from Steam and I and is looking for a way to make back some of that lost revenue!



What a great idea, think he'd mind if everything came back re-stenciled for the Penn Central? It is prototypical. We all know how much Harsco LOVES the worms in love logo!!!! LOL. How about it Harsco? I'm in, already have the decals ready to go for about 100 cars or so.



Hmm...let me give that some thought, Matt.

No.

Wait, hold on a sec...I really should consider...

Nope.

Maybe we could...

Nah...not happening.

Are you familiar with the phrase "Viking funeral"?

After REALLY giving the matter a bit of thought, I came up with a potentially great idea: since you can only see one side of the ore cars on my layout, we can split the cost by labeling the opposite side <holding my nose> Penn Central...you'll just have to run your cars in a single direction only and voila...Instant Worms in Love Ore Train! We'll just need to transport them back and forth for each session.

One possible glitch to this proposal....you'll need to install custom made shims to each car so they'll rock back and forth threateningly like they always did in your era.....

Edited by - Harsco on 08/13/2011 7:53:45 PM
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dlwrailfan1
Crew Chief

USA
606 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2011 :  10:29:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit dlwrailfan1's Homepage  Reply with Quote

quote:

One possible glitch to this proposal....you'll need to install custom made shims to each car so they'll rock back and forth threateningly like they always did in your era.....



[:-bulb] There is a prototypical solution that will improve the Penn Centralish qualities of the railroad. The railroad will have a real 1970's look and feel when this is completed. No need to shim or modify the ore cars.

1. Cut the rail every 39 feet and install joint bars on both sides. No rail joints adjacent to each other.

2. The fun part: Grab a hammer and pound each rail end [:-bouncy] until it creates a gap and a valley.

3. Any damage to the underlying ties will be a bonus and even more prototypical.

4. Damage and distress more of the ties in between the joints.

Then sit back and enjoy the show. Watch the cars rock back and forth until something derails. Call out the Wreck Train and close down the railroad for hours.

Matt -- you will need more snacks during your op sessions -- that is the downside here.

Check out this video for the desired effect. I like the portion starting at 1:10. http://youtu.be/GHmyYqfNYnc

[:-bulb][:-bulb] Another bright idea -- shoot your own video for Congressional review (send to Senator Lautenberg) and you will eligible for SAFETEA funding.

Good luck,
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MarkF
Engineer

USA
10372 Posts

Posted - 08/14/2011 :  12:46:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit MarkF's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ouch!

Mark

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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2011 :  9:57:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eric-

Thanks for reminding me about that link. Penn Central or not it's a great video for any railfan. I originally posted it on here on 10/2/09. Funny thing is the guys tell me that the footage accurately captures operations on Diamond Bill's layout!!! LOL

The layout room may suffer a temporary setback. After last weekend's 9" of rain, the corner of the layout room got a little wet after being dry since the basement was finished. I'm going to have to open up the drywall up below the layout about 12" up and about 14' in length to air it out. Don't want any mold problems. Will have to determine what the course of action I'll take after getting a better look at it. Hopefully it's a freak occurence due to the amount of rain we got.

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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 08/18/2011 :  10:03:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Enjoying the jabs about the Penn Central. Funny stuff. The irony of it all is that the PC gets a bad rap for all of the years of delayed maintenance to the infrastructure and rolling stock by both the PRR and NYC (among other reasons as well). Had they not merged these scenes still would've been captured under both the red keystone or black and white cigar bands!!! Touche'

See you guys soon.

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