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MarkF
Engineer

USA
10483 Posts

Posted - 07/06/2009 :  12:39:49 AM  Show Profile  Visit MarkF's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Looks great Matt! Yes, when it comes to the mechanical snaffus that tend to slow us down, SteamNut is the man for the job. He loves a challenge!

I know the RMC article you speak of. We used that techique on another layout and built the helix in a very similar fashion to what you did, but it appears you improved it a little more. I'm glad to hear that Bruce is getting lot's of practice with this effort as my helix is next. By the time he gets to that, his 'helix building skills' should be top notch!

Mark

See my homepage at http://home.comcast.net/~prrndiv/

Edited by - MarkF on 07/06/2009 12:40:49 AM
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nhguy
Fireman

USA
4241 Posts

Posted - 07/06/2009 :  01:39:37 AM  Show Profile  Visit nhguy's Homepage  Send nhguy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by prrmatt


Octagonal Helix: Bill-where were you a couple of years ago??? Could've really used you. I appreciate the offer and if we run into any problems, I'll be sure to check back. I will be submitting some info and pics on the helix as well as some of the research that went into it. So more to follow very soon.




I was building mine at the time.

Bill Shanaman
Superintendent, Chief Track Cleaner,
New Haven RR in the 1948 to 1952 era
PMRA President 2014-15, OpSIG Member
NCE User Since 1999
Sugar City, Colorado
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hunter48820
Fireman

USA
6105 Posts

Posted - 07/06/2009 :  07:26:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Matt,
Great job on that helix. I love the threaded rod which allows you to adjust the grade in any area that you want. Keep the pics coming!!


Look out for #1, but don't step in #2!

Andy Keeney
Dewitt, MI
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Steam Nut
Fireman

USA
1455 Posts

Posted - 07/06/2009 :  07:41:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The trick with the rods is to use flat washers only, Lock washers will drive you nuts when you tighten them moving the boards and changing your grade. If you snug the nuts up they will not back off. I think people tend to over build their upper levels, All I say is "Your only holding up trains"
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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 07/07/2009 :  10:59:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks again Bruce for your expertise!!! Funny thing about the "over-building" comment, if it wasn't for you I'd still be using 5/8" threaded rod on the helix. Talk about overkill, LOL.

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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2009 :  9:39:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Switching area-staging level

Here's some work that I did on Monday night into Tuesday morning. 2 of my kids got their tonsils out on Monday and didn't too well sleeping that first night. But when they finally did, I couldn't so I went down and worked on the layout for a bit. Here's the results. I'm sure it'll be modified and improved once the guys get a glimpse of it.

The switching area is located on the staging level. It's situated ahead of the staging yard on the way to the helix. The actual area measures 11' in length and is 19" wide from the aisle to the mainline(allowing 5" for the 2 track main for a total of 24"). The 2 front staging tracks are set up to handle this area. I originally hoped to model a coal wharf/trans loading facility with some separate industry along the tracks that parallel the main (the 2 tracks along the wall). Funny how the space you thought you had on paper magically disappears once it hits the layout. I am now rethinking this due to the space limitations. If I follow my original plan, the scene, in my opinion, won't flow and will look out of place. So I'm considering either making the entire area local industries or making it a large coal trans loading facility. Here's 2 pics showing the area. Thanks again for taking the time to review the post. Look forward to your comments/advice.

Looking back towards staging:

The lengths for each track are as follows:
(moving from aisle to wall)
#1-57"(freight cars on this track in pics)
#2-46"
#3-45"
#4-35"
#5-26"
#6-44"(track direction is towards staging)
lead track-59"(track located on aisle side towards staging)
The 2 tracks that can be used for runarounds are 57" (track towards aisle) and 68" (track towards wall)

Looking towards approach to helix:

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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  8:36:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's time for a long overdue update. With summer now behind us, time to start heading back to the basement. While I continue to move at a snails pace, I am making progress in the right direction. Steam and Mark made it over a little while back and the evening was very productive. Since then, I have been working on the necessary grunt work to keep things moving ahead. Since my last update I have relaid the track in the switching area (photo below),


sheetrocked and painted the back wall closest to the helix, ran the bus for the track power and connected all of the feeders, installed a second-smaller staging yard (5 tracks all 60"+),


built the two frames to hold the benchwork off the helix, painted and glued homasote to the 7/16" plywood (6 sections), and actually laid the 1st piece of benchwork on the 1st level-now we're getting somewhere.


Having a couple of supportive friends (and wife) will keep you motivated. We're ready to punch the hole in the wall under the steps, install the frames and lay the benchwork coming from the helix. Thanks again for taking the time to review my post. Look forward to any feedback or advice.

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MarkF
Engineer

USA
10483 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  9:22:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit MarkF's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Looks good Matt. I'm ready for another work session!

Mark

See my homepage at http://home.comcast.net/~prrndiv/
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Red P
Crew Chief

USA
978 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2009 :  11:32:35 PM  Show Profile  Send Red P a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by prrmatt

PCRRHS- Funny you bring that up Joe, just spoke to Jim a couple of weeks ago at John's and joined up that following weekend. It should be very helpful as a resource going forward.


I have been a member for 7 years now, I think. [:-boggled]

Great bunch of guys, and a damn good publication. One of the best of any historical group.
P

http://pcpanhandle.shutterfly.com/
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dnhman
Fireman

USA
1058 Posts

Posted - 09/30/2009 :  10:53:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Matt great progress, Looking good,
Let me know if you need help,
Joe

Cheers!, Joe
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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 10/02/2009 :  9:39:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Red P

quote:
Originally posted by prrmatt

PCRRHS- Funny you bring that up Joe, just spoke to Jim a couple of weeks ago at John's and joined up that following weekend. It should be very helpful as a resource going forward.


I have been a member for 7 years now, I think. [:-boggled]

Great bunch of guys, and a damn good publication. One of the best of any historical group.
P



Red P-Just got my first POST and really enjoyed it. Love your logo.

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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 10/02/2009 :  9:41:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mark & Joe-

Thanks for the offer. I'm sure I'll be in touch very soon. $$$ still recovering from getting 4 kids back to school. Talk to you guys soon.

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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 10/02/2009 :  9:43:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's a link for a video on the PC. Pretty interesting stuff. It's only 28 minutes long and was produced by the Penn Central in 1974. Even if you're not a PC fan, I'm sure you'll enjoy the footage. ENJOY!!!

http://www.lubetkin.net/blog/2008/12/penn-central-1974-movie.html

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Red P
Crew Chief

USA
978 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2009 :  09:57:48 AM  Show Profile  Send Red P a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by prrmatt

Here's a link for a video on the PC. Pretty interesting stuff. It's only 28 minutes long and was produced by the Penn Central in 1974. Even if you're not a PC fan, I'm sure you'll enjoy the footage. ENJOY!!!

http://www.lubetkin.net/blog/2008/12/penn-central-1974-movie.html



Matt, here is a link to a newly formed PC forum.
http://pcwheelreport.proboards.com/index.cgi

P

http://pcpanhandle.shutterfly.com/
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pcmatt
Engine Wiper

USA
186 Posts

Posted - 10/07/2009 :  10:00:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mark & Bruce made it over on Monday night and we got alot done. Bruce was buried in the hole most of the night working on the helix. He reset the one switch, mounted the Tortoise on a custom mount he put together and installed the 5th level. Mark and I were busy installing the benchwork along the 14' wall leading to the helix. The plan for this area is for a small "mini-mill" and some local light industry. If I can keep up with Mark & Bruce, I think we can get the mainline set for the 1st level and be up and running before Christmas. Here's some pics. Thanks for checking it out.

Bruce working on the Tortoise mount to exit the helix on the middle level.


Here's Steam connecting the beginning of the 5th level of the helix.



Mark & Bruce figuring out the transition out of the helix.


Here it is-track just laid in place and not fastened yet.


The framework for the area along the wall. We had a little challenge in determining the height to fit in between the grade of the helix. One track coming off at a lower height and the one going off to the right (next picture) needs to continue up a grade to re-enter the helix. No worries though, Mark and Bruce had this thing pegged within 1/32". Pretty impressive. The hole in the wall was cut in and we attached the framework to the wall.



Trackwork that Mark had roughed in-going towards the helix. The area to the right will be the small mini-mill. Nice sweeping curves that will help add to the layout.


Roughed in trackwork headed away from helix. At the end of the track will be the "Barrett Bridge." We will use a duckunder as a temporary crossing. The 2 areas to the front of the layout will be future light industry.

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