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MarkF
Engineer
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 Posted - 04/02/2008 : 9:44:48 PM
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wweng, you are correct with your information, but I believe Chris is modeling 575, but I'll let him clarify.
Assuming this is 575 Chris, it looks really good! Heck, your a couple of steps ahead of me. I only have a few deatils to add to the pilot, including the slug connection box, and modify the handrails, then I can give it a coat of paint. What shell is that, the Proto shell? |
Mark
See my homepage at http://home.comcast.net/~prrndiv/
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chrishobbsuk
New Hire
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2008 : 02:32:38 AM
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Hi wweng,
The loco pictured is going to be 575, I might post a pic of 475 later when I can take some decent ones.
Thanks
Chris H
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Originally posted by wweng
The shell looks great,but before you number it 475 you need to do some research.The 475 is an ex NKP which is an early GP-9 with 4 smaller fans and no dynamic brakes or the external filter housing or even a slug mother.The only slug mothers are the 572 in VA and 575 which is also in VA now. I don't mean to rain on your parade but I would hate to see you do all that work and be dissappointed after you got finished and found out it should have been a different #.
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chrishobbsuk
New Hire
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2008 : 1:39:24 PM
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Here's a pic of 475
and here's a slightly better one of 575
Thanks for the complement Mark but you've only seen the good side, the other side has the square piece of diamond plate missing.
Both are Proto 2000 shells. 475 is a GP9ii, to get it at a sensible price I had to buy one with dynamic brakes and carve that section out. 575 is a GP18 just like yours.
Soon it'll be time to work on the handrails and right now I have no clue how to modify the set supplied to represent the prototype.
Thanks
Chris H
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MarkF
Engineer
USA
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Posted - 04/03/2008 : 7:18:17 PM
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Originally posted by chrishobbsuk
Soon it'll be time to work on the handrails and right now I have no clue how to modify the set supplied to represent the prototype.
I hear ya Chris. That's coming up next for me too. I'm planning to try a Jim Six approach (I think it was him). He took the stock handrails, trimed the handrail off the stanchions and CAREFULLY drilled a hole through the top of the stanchions and used brass wire to form new handrails. This is the only solution I can think of, so I'll be the guinea pig and see how it works. I'll keep you posted! |
Mark
See my homepage at http://home.comcast.net/~prrndiv/
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Steam Nut
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 04/03/2008 : 11:47:55 PM
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| Why not use brass stanchions? No need to drill a hole! Now all I need to do is remember who made the real nice ones I had a few years back. Stay tuned. |
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MarkF
Engineer
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2008 : 12:39:43 AM
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Originally posted by Steam Nut
Why not use brass stanchions? No need to drill a hole! Now all I need to do is remember who made the real nice ones I had a few years back. Stay tuned.
I believe Kemtron made them. Good luck! I still have a couple of sets, but not the right ones for this model. Actually, the only two handrails that need modification are the two short front ones. All the others are ok as they are, so it shouldn't be a big deal. Yeah, famous last words! |
Mark
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MIKE0659
Engine Wiper
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 8:45:54 PM
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Mark,
Does Smokey Valley still make brass handrail stanchions? I remember Ray buying them for Railpower shells years ago.
Glad to see you're back at 575.
Mike
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MarkF
Engineer
USA
9276 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2008 : 12:53:28 AM
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I don't know Mike. I'll have to check the Walther's catalog. And yes, I'm slowly back at it. I really don't have much more to do except add the few last details. I realized after my last post that the handrails won't be an issue until after decaling as I don't want them in my way when I'm trying to put the stripes on the nose. At the rate I'm going, that won't be until next year sometime!  |
Mark
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Steam Nut
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 11:18:10 AM
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| You can still find some Smokey Valley stuff floating around here and there. I just but any one I find cheap just to get the stanchions no matter what shell they are for. |
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quarryman
Fireman
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2008 : 3:02:53 PM
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Hi Chris,
After a few years up there, it came off lease and went down to a railroad in VA, again on lease. I can't think of the name of the railroad off the top of my head, but it was another shortline. When they finished up with it, 752 came back home to NJ.
Sorry to be so slow in supplying this photo  :
WW loco 752 in Doswell, VA working for the Buckingham Branch Railroad in September of 2006.
Great info on the WW being posted here. I have been a casual fan of the WW since before the big snow crushed the enginehouse in Gore.
Mark Chase
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chrishobbsuk
New Hire
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/10/2008 : 10:31:05 PM
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Me and a couple of friends dropped in to Bridgeton a few days ago, I knew they were friendly but didn't expect them to be as nice as they were!! Got great pics of 475 and 752. Now all I need to do is find the detail parts I bought and maybe I can get 575 and 475 closer to completion.
After reading back a couple of pages and thinking about things (usually a bad sign  ) I wondered if there was a way to tell whether the W&W freight cars are carrying sand or produce without seeing the manifest? Are they used interchangeably or is there a dedicated pool for each commodity?
Thanks
Chris H
PS The missing square of diamond plate mysteriously appeared out of nowhere and got glued in place on 575 along with my fingers.
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MarkF
Engineer
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 12:44:19 AM
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Chris, you were on this side of the pond and didn't let us know! Heck, most of the guys down there are friends, and your right, great guys!
In south Jersey, those covered hoppers you see are sand hoppers. There is a grain facility in Bridgeton, and there is a lot of grain shipped out in the fall, but to my knowledge, that is the only time of year. The W&W hoppers however are used solely for sand. Mike0659 can probably elaborate as he is much more familiar with that type of stuff.
How's your model coming? My modeling efforts on 575 have been slightly sidetracked. Good friend Joe H. (LV414420) has been trying to get me motivated, but with summer here, work, etc., I just haven't been able to get the time to get anything done!!! |
Mark
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chrishobbsuk
New Hire
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 10:36:40 AM
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Hi Mark,
Now I'm a little confused because a friend took pictures of MI61 coming out of Progresso/General Mills in Vineland with a WW hopper, 3 misc hoppers and 2 boxcars, would P/GM have a use for sand or is there another industry that this hopper was for?
Work on 575 has stalled, apart from handrails and a few details (including the ones I can't find) it's complete structurally so decals is my next step. 475 has had the roof profile improved where I cut the dynamic brake blister out so it's in virtually the same state.
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Chris H
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MarkF
Engineer
USA
9276 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 11:14:38 PM
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| Good question Chris! I'm going to have to ask around to get an answer to that question. To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), the WW hoppers were strictly for sand service, but were usually shipped in blocks. Seeing one all by itself in Vineland as you did suggests it may have been used for other service. I will see what I can find out. |
Mark
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MIKE0659
Engine Wiper
USA
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Posted - 05/17/2008 : 10:39:11 PM
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Hi Chris,
The W&W covered hopper fleet is used to haul sand and other minerals. Since W&W is owned by a very large, multi-national minerals company, the cars get used all over the US, Canada and Mexico at the various plants to haul different types of sand, clay, nephylene syenite (I think I spelled that wrong.), and several other minerals. To the best of my knowledge none have been used for any type of food-type commodities. One reason is the W&W fleet is composed of small cube hoppers designed to be full to cubic and weight capacity when loaded with minerals. You wouldn't get enough grain in the car to really be cost effective for a shipper. The other is they would have to be cleaned out prior to use in grain or other food commodity service, then cleaned again prior to returning to mineral service.
All the cars used in grain service to the Perdue Farms facility in Bridgeton are large capacity, leased or owned by Perdue Farms. They used to get railroad owned cars, but that stopped about 15 years ago when the (Conrail) railroad car supply started getting tight. Perdue got smart and assembled their own fleet to use as they need them. And Perdue ships grain out all year now. They keep increasing their storage capacity so they can ship it out as the market (And price) demand. They are loading out 70+ cars now in blocks of 5-10.
I can't think of why MI-61 would have a W&W hopper. The only customer they have that uses sand these days is the Gerresheimer Glass (Ex-Kimble Glass) plant in Vineland. I don't think they are getting sand in W&W hoppers anymore, definitely no local sand from online W&W sand producers. They have gotten some WWUX cars that are leased by the W&W's parent company. The reason they had the W&W hopper in Progresso (If I had to guess.) was they didn't feel like cutting it off and setting handbrakes while they drilled Progresso, they just hung onto it.
As an aside about the W&W hopper fleet, there have been some 3000 series cars still in the original gray in Bridgeton as well as some fresh out of the shop, freshly painted, 3000's too. There are also some cars showing up that have never been in New Jersey before. Gray cars in the 4000, 4300, 4400 series (These all look like the ACF built 7000 series cars, not the yellow 4000's). There are some lease cars that will be showing up next week with SHPX reporting marks.
All these additional cars are for frac sand service out of the Unimin Dividing Creek plant to western Pennsylvania on the NS. In addition to the above mentioned new cars, there will be some TARX and WWUX marked cars loading at Dividing Creek, these cars have never been in service out of the local plant before, but have been on inbound sand shipments to W&W customers.
Apparently, the high cost of fuel has made the gas mining viable again in Western Pennsylvania. The frac sand is pumped into voids when drilling. One user is getting ten cars a week, with several more multi-car customers coming soon. This is a new product and Unimin is making upgrades to the Dividing Creek plant to produce more of this frac sand, quicker and in larger quantities.
It's cool that you got to visit the W&W NJ recently. Did you get to see the W&W VA and the 575 while you were over here?
Mark is right, you should have let us know you were coming, we could have extended a little hospitality for some layout visits and other things. Give us a heads up next time.
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Kitbashing Winchester & Western #575
