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Topic author: MikeC
Subject: CHALLENGE 2: Stations
Posted on: 01/01/2004 12:22:53 PM
Message:

It's January 1st and time for a new Challenge!

Scratchbuild, kitbuild, or kitbash a passenger station in any scale, size, and era. Then, using it as a starting point, construct a completely detailed passenger terminal/station/platform scene. Detail and light the interior, if you wish. Or concentrate on the outside, if you prefer. Or do both. But your finished project must present a complete scene with passengers, baggage, freight, railway equipment, etc.

Note: You may not begin with a structure you have alreay finished. Everything must be built during the time frame mentioned below. hehe [:-eyebrows]

You must also post periodic progress updates and photos (so that the rest of us will feel guilty and pressured to keep working [:-devil]).

The Challenge will run from Jan 1, 04, to June 30, 04.

But wait! That's not all!

Back by popular demand! (Literally! [:-bigeyes2]) The original "finescale" Challenge Project.

At the request of folks who felt they registered as RR-L members too late to start the original Challenge project, we will repeat it as an option. If you want to be involved with the Challenge thread, but don't want to build a passenger station, the same rules for the original challenge still apply: you must begin with a kit that is not normally considered "finescale" and using whatever means you have available, make it "finescale." (Refer to the original Challenge thread for all of the guidelines.) You will also have 6 months from January 1 to complete your project.

So, there it is, guys. I'm looking forward to seeing a number of really neat station scenes! Or something else completely. Whichever challenge you choose, you now have 6 months to complete it.

So let's get started! [:-jump][:-jump]

Replies:


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/02/2004 12:17:36 AM
Message:

I am the first one to make a post here?

I am getting ready to start my station kit and thought I would pass along some information about what I intend to try. The kit is a Model Power Station. I will be repainting the kit. I have not settled on the color scheme as of yet. I repaint all my plastic kits since I do not like the look of the colored plastic. I will also be making some additions and modifications to the kit by adding platforms and some other details.





I plan on making this station the passenger terminal for my amusement park. The station will be a union terminal of sorts. Passengers will disembark from the passengers trains and then transfer to trolleys to ride to and through the amusement park. Part of my modifications and additions will be to add the trolley platforms.

I will be constructing this scene as a module. This will be my first attempt at building a module also. I have most of the supplies to start the frame. I hope to pick up the lumber this weekend.

I have finally decided on a name for the amusement park: Castle Rock. Castle Rock was a real amusement park in the 1920s and 30s here in Delaware County. It was owned by the Philadelphia & West Chester Traction Company and located along their West Chester Pike Line near the Crum Creek. All traces of Castle Rock are gone today. The park was so utterly demolished there is a debate today where exactly the park was located. All traces of the park were removed and the area was allowed to naturalize for some 60 years before development came to the area. There is a housing development called Castle Rock that is built in the area deemed by most historians to be the location of the park. Since my fictitious RLK&T has a branch line that follows the Crum Creek Valley I figured that Castle Rock would be perfect for me. In my model railroad world the RLK&T enters into an agreement with the P&WCTC to bring passengers to the park and the P&WCTC transports them from the passenger terminal to the park.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/02/2004 09:21:57 AM
Message:

Tom,

It certainly looks like you've got a plan! I will only be viewing other member's progress for a while before jumping in, since I want to finish some other projects before starting this one. (We'll see how long that lasts!)[:-eyebrows]

Bruce


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/02/2004 10:49:20 AM
Message:

Hi all
Tom I agree with Bruce you definitely have a workable plan.
I can not do a station since I have room for only one station on my layout and it is about 90 percent completed.
I will however try and finish this station and add details to it during the course of this thread.
It will give me a chance to take some more pictures of the station.[:-eyebrows]
I want to do a general store/gas station for my Challenge project.
I was hoping to get a Magnusson General Store kit for this but as yet I have not found one on eBay.
I will probably scratch build one from plans that are posted on the fsm web site by Jim Mooney and incorporate some of the cockeyed building that Bruce posted in the "Structures that cry out to be Modeled" thread.
MadMike (Mike Lynch) from the fsm group who builds and sells dioramas just listed one on eBay that he built for sale.
I know that Karl has also built this General Store.
Here is a picture that Mike posted of his General Store for sale.
I will be using a Classic Miniatures "Work's Hardware" and a Muir Models "Nevada City Button Works" as the kits I will be kitbashing for this project.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/02/2004 11:07:24 AM
Message:

Sounds good, guys.

Like Bruce, I need to finish a couple of other projects before I start on this one. I have Majestic Hardware about 75% completed, and I still have two worktrain cars to build. So, as with the first Challenge project, I'll be getting a late start again. But I'll be following everyone's progress in the meantime.


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 01/02/2004 11:57:24 AM
Message:

Everyone's plans seems to be coming together. I probably will not participate in this challenge. I am trying to complete the first 15 ft section of my layout and have three specific structures in mind. After railroad camp is complete, I want to build SW's Tank & Water shed, the Woodcutter's Shack and Cumbres & Toltec's coaling tower. I will be watching this thread with interest and am looking forward to you guys great structures and modeling.

Jim


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/02/2004 7:43:17 PM
Message:

I have most of what I need I think, apart from stair risers but I hae not put a plan to paper as yet. I may have to wing it somewhat, not having scratchbuilt before.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/02/2004 8:44:36 PM
Message:

I know I'm in trouble cause I'm taking MikeC's advice! [:-bigeyes][:-crazy][:-indifferent] He once told me to expand my horizons (whatever they are ) by trying a different scale. Of course he was refering to trying a HO kit. I don't know why but I have never had any interest in HO. When I was a kid I had a S-scale American Flyer, when I got back into the hobby as an adult it was N-scale and now it's On30 that I'm thinking about trying. No, I'm not getting out of N, just thinking about dabbling in On30 also. I figured I could try my hand at a throw-away diorama for the Challenge. If it works out and I decide to try to build a small layout in On30 I will save the structure (if worth saving) and just toss the terrain. For the record I like HO, I just don't have any interest in modeling in that scale for some reason. Anyway I guess I'm in the same boat as Tom in that I'm going to try to turn a cheap kit into something worthwhile and it's also a passenger station (well, sorta [:-shake]), kinda making the project a hybrid of both parts of the challenge. Here is a pic of the stock building from the maker (Ameri-Towne).


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/02/2004 8:57:29 PM
Message:

As you can see by the price on the box I'm cheating by starting off with this fine craftsman kit! The pic shows the parts dumped on the table with one of my N-scale locos [:-bigeyes2][:-crazy][:-hypnotized] this size is gonna take some getting used to! My line of thinking is that as time marched on and business grew the building became the agent's office, a covered platform with benches was built to one side for passengers with a freight shed on the other side. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! [:-eyebrows].


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/02/2004 8:58:12 PM
Message:

Hey, guys, I can tell this new Challenge project thread is going to be a goodie! I am truly looking forward to seeing what everyone comes up with!

Tyson, I'm glad to see you're going to try On30. The idea of an On30 diorama or mini is really starting to appeal to me. (Think you can get Drew to try On30 also? [:-thumbu])


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/02/2004 9:06:12 PM
Message:

Mike, Drew might just be having too much fun with the N scale stuff to want to switch!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/02/2004 11:23:05 PM
Message:

Arghhhhh……….

Second day and I have already encountered a problem while I was trying to put my ideas on paper.[:-banghead]

At first I had envisioned the trolley platform as being a stub. Since I grew up in suburban Philadelphia all my experiences with trolleys were from the Philadelphia Suburban Transit Co. (Red Arrow). PST is the name that the P&WCTC adopted after it had acquired the Philadelphia & Western interurban line. Well PST ran Brill liners which were double ended. As I was beginning to put my ideas on paper I realized that the trolley I had planned on using for this was a Bachmann single ended PCC.[:-banghead][:-censored][:-crazy][:-headache][:-weepn]

Now here is my dilemma. If I want to use the PCC car which was a gift from my wife and daughter I will have to build a loop. I would like to investigate the possibility of adding a Brill liner or other Brill trolley and going with my original stub track idea. I have looked at Bachmann’s Brill trolleys and I think they look too toyish. The only other manufacturer I have found is Bowser which makes a Brill trolley kit.

Since I know that are quite a few traction enthusiasts on the Gauge I posted a question regarding Brill trolleys to help me decide what to do.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/03/2004 08:03:30 AM
Message:

Tom,

I recently bought a Brill Trolley from IHC for the Xmas layout on my fireplace mantle. It runs great, but it does look toy-like. Here is their link.

http://www.ihc-hobby.com/cgi-bin/bsc.cgi?sn=KQ17850X05X8268909W624830Y1529

Bruce


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 01/05/2004 3:11:39 PM
Message:

Well, my first REAL decision on my first challenge project has come and gone. For the last month or so I've been trying to come up with a workable method of scratch-building windows, and I thought it would be real nice to have them able to be openned and closed. Well, I finally gave up in frustration [:-banghead] . Perhaps if I'd been working in a larger scale (like maybe four times prototype size!) I could have kept all the sashes square and such, but I just couldn't make it happen, so off to Grandt Line I go. I'm sure it'll look better in the end anyway.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 01/05/2004 3:31:30 PM
Message:

Tyson,

Maybe you should make that a station your trains can drive through!

Chuck


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/05/2004 3:49:12 PM
Message:

If the door functioned it would be a snap!

Moving right along there was a extra blank sidewall and a extra sidewall with door and window. Forget the latter but decided to cut the first in half making the building 50% longer (also making the roof parts that came with the kit useless [:-boggled][:-crazy]). The ends of all the walls are notched according to the stone pattern (they were supposed to snap together but like most cheap kits nothing fits without alot of clean-up first [:-banghead]) so I now had two halfs with a straight edge on one side. I layed the mating wall over the edge then sprayed with some paint, then filed out the areas with no paint and suprised myself when it actually worked!!! [:-party] Need to fill a few gaps with some plaster or spackling compound. Next will be to cut out the window on the left end so I can make a solid wood door for there.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/05/2004 8:39:16 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Tyson Rayles


Moving right along there was a extra blank sidewall and a extra sidewall with door and window. Forget the latter but decided to cut the first in half making the building 50% longer (also making the roof parts that came with the kit useless




Ah, yes, let the kitbashing begin! [:-thumbu]

Bruce


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/08/2004 08:10:31 AM
Message:

I finally got around to sketch out my ideas for the layout of the station area. The first detail is using a stub end tracks for the trolley line. This of course would mean that I would have to purchase a double ended trolley (which would be more prototypical for the area).




The second detail is using a loop track. The trolley track would go under the railroad. I could eliminate one of the trolley platforms. One problem with this scheme is that a single ended PCC trolley only has a door on the right side of the trolley, which means the track has to go between the RR station and the trolley platform. One solution is the make the RR station on fill and have steps going down to the trolley platforms.



In doing a little research about the area I rediscovered the fact that milk was an important product in this area. It was o important that the Philadelphia & West Chester Traction Co. had several “milk” freight trolleys that were used to ship the milk from the farms to Philadelphia. Now I may need to figure out a way to incorporate this aspect into the scene. Why do these projects just seem to grow and grow?



Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 01/08/2004 08:27:43 AM
Message:

Tom,

Why does the track need to go between the trolley platforms and the station? Why not flip the trolley around so that the doors face the inside of the loop? Did I miss something?

Chuck


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/08/2004 1:51:53 PM
Message:

I thought about that. Prototypically when a single ended PCC enter a loop they travel counter-clockwise. They do that so they can stay on the correct side of the street when they are running in the street. Also passengers and drivers expect them to do that.

I have thought about turning the loop before it crosses the railroad. The problem I may have with that is I may not have enough room. The module will only be two foot wide.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 01/08/2004 2:12:03 PM
Message:

Thanks, Tom. I didn't know that. Another option to consider is a wye.

Chuck


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 01/08/2004 2:44:04 PM
Message:

Tom, didn't some trolley lines have turntables at the end of a line? I'm not sure if the area you're modeling had them though.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/08/2004 3:13:49 PM
Message:

Rick

I am considering a turntable. I have been trying find out if they were used in the Philadelphia area.

If I want to stay somewhat prototypical I should not be using a PCC car at all. P&WCTC later Red Arrow ran all double-ened trolleys, therefore they did not use loops or turntables at the end of their lines. A loop was installed at 69th Street Terminal to help speed up service through the terminal.

The PCC car was a gift and I would like to use it. Being prototypical is something that I can compromise on as long as the compromise makes sense. I think I need to do a few more sketches, this time with a turntable. Also I like the loop under the tracks since it gives me the opportunity to put in some bridges or tunnels.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/08/2004 4:02:21 PM
Message:

O.K. I'll get into the Challenge project but I don't want to build a passenger station since I won't have any use for one .I can revert back to Challenge 1 and build anything as I understand it . Do I have to take a before picture of the kit and then submit it as proof of where I started ? I'll have to learn how to submit pics to the Forum.
TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/08/2004 4:58:44 PM
Message:

Terry, all of the rules are listed in the first Challenge thread. http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4293

While you don't have to post a "before" photo, most of us did in case someone wasn't familiar with the original kit.

About posting photos: read this thread:
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4761

And welcome to the Challenge!


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 01/08/2004 9:51:18 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

Hey, guys, I can tell this new Challenge project thread is going to be a goodie! I am truly looking forward to seeing what everyone comes up with!

Tyson, I'm glad to see you're going to try On30. The idea of an On30 diorama or mini is really starting to appeal to me. (Think you can get Drew to try On30 also? [:-thumbu])



You're right about this thread really starting off with a bang, Mike! You guys look like you've got some great projects going![:-thumbu]
I've got some N scale projects on my plate right now, finishing up the town of Glasgow Jct. on the Poor Fork RR, & a couple of structures I'm working on for an NTrak project I'm involved with...I don't think I'll be entering the "Challenge" this time around...[:-cry]
I'd like to think though, that some time in the coming year, I'd really like to try my hand at a larger scale...mainly for physical reasons...but also, thetime might just be right for it!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/08/2004 11:21:36 PM
Message:

I've been trying to post my pic for 2 , count 'em , 2 hours now and where I'm running into trouble is the size of the pic .In ' my documents , they are 650 kb , way too big .I can't figure out how to reduce them [:-banghead][:-banghead][:-banghead][:-banghead]to the 80 kb that is needed. I'm sure it's simple for you experienced guys so please clue me in .
A very frustrated TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/08/2004 11:56:18 PM
Message:

Hi Terry,

There is a free program XNView from http://www.xnview.com which will allow resizing of files and saving in jpg format, which should get your file size under the required limit.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/09/2004 12:07:30 AM
Message:

Terry, I use a Mac, so my knowledge of PC/Windows software is very limited. However, the forum's software has a built-in limitation of 80kb on photo file sizes regardless of which platform or software is used.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/09/2004 12:08:59 AM
Message:

Yes mate and I did get your very fast email but , sad to say , I don't GET the choices on the download . I tried to close my eyes and ' wing it ' but went in circles .And I'm tired so think I'll ask all the computer nerds at work tomorrow and take a run at it tomorrow night .Many thanks , Barry .
TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/09/2004 12:15:48 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by bpate

Hi Terry,

There is a free program XNView from http://www.xnview.com which will allow resizing of files and saving in jpg format, which should get your file size under the required limit.




Hi Terry
I also use XNView which I found at the gauge.
There is also a tutorial there on how to resize the pictures.
http://www.the-gauge.com/image_tutorials/images_info.htm


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/09/2004 01:27:44 AM
Message:

The Guage was where I picked up XnView. That tutorial will be worth looking at Terry.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/09/2004 10:15:21 AM
Message:

Sorry to be taking up ' Challenge ' space with a computer issue , but maybe others are having trouble posting pics too.
I did as Barry suggested ( thanks mate )and downloaded the xnview program , everything seemed to install cleanly .I clicked on to do the convert and now the pic is 145 kb , still too big .I think I'm supposed to be making a SPECIFIC choice of output , but what ( about 20 choices )do I pick , they don't mention specific sizes as in numbers , it's more of a description .Think if I get by this I've got her made .
TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/09/2004 12:26:04 PM
Message:

Hi Terry
This is what I do
Once you have opened on xnview then click on file.
Then click on open.
Find the picture on your hard drive you want to post.
Highlight it and click on open.
The picture should open on the screen in its original size.
Then on top click on image.
Come down and click on resize.
A screen will appear with lots of choices.
In order to stay within the limits of RRL I usually delete the value in the box labeled screen size height.
I then enter either 450 or 530.
Both will work for most pictures they just give different sizes.
This will change all the other values on this screen.
Then click OK.
This should resize your picture.
Then X out from the picture.
This should bring up the question
Do you want to save changes to this picture.
Click Yes
Then I get this file already exists do you want to overwrite it.
I click OK
If you do not want to have the reduced picture be the only one then you would have to save the picture under a different name.
I usually do not as I am only using the pictures to post here.
Then go to Railroad-Line Forum upload
Click on Insert a file.
Then click on browse.
Find your picture to be uploaded and open it.
Then click on Upload picture to post.
If the picture is still too large make the screen size height number smaller.
This will give you the picture and to imbed it use the tutorial Mike posted.
Hope this helps.
If not ask away.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/09/2004 12:50:50 PM
Message:

John, since this issue seems to come up periodically, I think it might be a good thing to have this info in the Photo Forum as a sticky. If you'll repost this under the topic name of "Resizing Photos Using XNView" or something like that, I'll make it a sticky. Then when the question comes up again (and I'm sure it will), we can just provide the link like we do with the tutorial on posting photos. Thanks.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/09/2004 1:09:29 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

John, since this issue seems to come up periodically, I think it might be a good thing to have this info in the Photo Forum as a sticky. If you'll repost this under the topic name of "Resizing Photos Using XNView" or something like that, I'll make it a sticky. Then when the question comes up again (and I'm sure it will), we can just provide the link like we do with the tutorial on posting photos. Thanks.


Hi Mike
I have posted this at the photography forum.
Maybe you would want to delete these posts as they are off topic to this thread.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/09/2004 1:18:53 PM
Message:

Just want say thanks ,John , Mike , Barry . I won't know if this works until I get home tonight .
TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/09/2004 4:28:34 PM
Message:

Time for some update photos.

I have completed the undercoat of all the station parts.

I used Apple Barrel Dolphin Gray (20781) thinned 1:1 with blue wind shield washer fluid. Using craft paints I have found that it is best to undercoat everything I airbrush with a light gray. The final product looks better this way.





Now I need to decide on final colors. I was thinking either cream walls with a dark green trim and windows, or dark green walls with cream trim and windows. Decisions, decisions….


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/09/2004 6:20:13 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

I want to do a general store/gas station for my Challenge project.




John,

Do you have something like this "Mainline & Siding" structure (Elm Park Grocery) in mind? If so, I might know a man who knows a man...

You can't tell too good from this photo, but the store portion (left side of model) uses Campbell metal sheeting for the siding. The rest is board by board.

Bruce


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/09/2004 7:49:00 PM
Message:

Hi Bruce
That would fit the bill quite well.
So have a talk with the man you know to see if he would be interested in having one less kit on his shelf by selling it to me.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/09/2004 8:59:03 PM
Message:

About my fourth try to post my starting pic for the Challenge

[img]http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/teejay/200419205437_100_0140.jpg/img


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/09/2004 9:02:05 PM
Message:

I'll get this yet [:-banghead][:-banghead]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/09/2004 9:03:24 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by teejay

About my fourth try to post my starting pic for the Challenge

[img]http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/teejay/200419205437_100_0140.jpg/img


Hi Terry
You were just missing the brackets around /img, but I see you have discovered that.
Now lets see lots of pictures.
Congratulations


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/09/2004 9:04:37 PM
Message:

Three historical events
1)Declaration of Independence
2)Manned Lunar Landing
3)Teejay actually posts a pic [:-alien][:-angel][:-apple][:-ashamed][:-banghead][:-baseball][:-basketball][:-batman][:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2][:-bigmouth][:-blindfold]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/09/2004 9:16:50 PM
Message:

Well done Terry! There will be no stopping you now.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/09/2004 9:24:16 PM
Message:

OK, Terry!![:-jump2][:-jumprefect]

Bruce


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/09/2004 9:24:49 PM
Message:

As the great Joe Cocker would say...I had a ' little help from my friends '.Thanks guys ...Barry , John , Mike , and Bill the Exalted Engine Wiper .Never in doubt , piece of cake ?[:-eyebrows]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/09/2004 9:36:29 PM
Message:

Way to go, Terry! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/09/2004 9:55:17 PM
Message:

Congrats Terry!!!!


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 01/11/2004 10:50:24 AM
Message:

Congratulations Terry!
Wecome to Engine Wipers Local 451!
There will be a couple of guys named Vito, & Sal, that will be coming around to talk to you about payment of dues...it's best to just do what they say!
[:-spin]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/11/2004 11:23:59 AM
Message:

Thanks for the warning Drew , but Nick and Bruno were already here ....something about my mother .... Vito and Sal will have to wait. Thank God I have my ' killer pugs ' to keep me safe .[:-dog][:-dog]
TERRY


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 01/11/2004 4:32:44 PM
Message:

Hi Terry!
btw...Looking forward to seeing what you do with that Atlas kit!

I also have a real soft spot for those Model Power kits...so I'm really looking forward to seeing what Tom comes up with!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/12/2004 12:10:51 AM
Message:

Drew , I'm excited about it too and IF my ideas pan out , it won't look much like the cover picture.I've sent over half of the kit to the parts bin already .And with all the other stuff I have on the go it will take the full six months to complete it .But I do need it for the layout so that will help speed things .
How about yourself , what are you entering ?Hopefully you and many others will get involved so we can have some fun .
TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/12/2004 12:26:22 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Drew



I also have a real soft spot for those Model Power kits...so I'm really looking forward to seeing what Tom comes up with!



Oh just great pressure.[:-crazy][:-scared][:-sick][:-weepn]

I think I finally decided on the color scheme. Cream walls with dark green trim. Of course I was going to start painting it but found out I don’t have a cream color I need. Looks like a trip to AC Moore is coming. Also I still need to get to Home Depot and get the lumber.


Reply author: Wally
Replied on: 01/12/2004 03:05:48 AM
Message:

My challenge is to get caught up on RRC and stop buying things on or off eBay. Look forward to following the challenge.


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 01/12/2004 11:27:38 AM
Message:

Well, I finally started! I don't have a digital camera, so no pictures, but all I did was start cutting strip-wood for my station. I'm sure everyone here has seen a pile of strip-wood, so you're not missing anything.

In case you're curious, I cut all my stripwood from sheets of balsa I buy at Michael's. I use this little thingy from Micro-mark

http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=14568

To make big pieces of balsa into little pieces. The pieces aren't quite scale 2x4's (they actually scale out to about 2.25 x 5.5), but they're close enough for me. I also "borrowed" a cutting mat my wife has for scrap-booking (with her permission!) and that makes the blade last a lot longer, also keeps the blade from following nicks in the work bench top. Gotta get one of those for myself!

I'm rethinking my challenge project too, I don't think this station is really appropriate for the use I'd intended, as an elevated station/terminal with stairs going down to the tracks. I think I may end up using this as a station along the line, but I'll build it and then decide.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/12/2004 12:44:06 PM
Message:

Mark,

Since I was placing an order with MicroMark, I added one of those cutters to the order.

Bruce


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/12/2004 4:15:53 PM
Message:

Drew , my humblest apologies for asking a DUM QUESTION regarding what you are doing for the challenge. Sometimes I need a score card to remember who is doing what .....I mean you ONLY posted about 10 pictures on the subject. Your model is coming along very nicely , really taking shape .[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]Good show !
TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/12/2004 4:54:00 PM
Message:

Hi all
Well my Challenge project for the first half of this year just changed thanks to Bruce (Dutchman).
Bruce happened to be checking out a new hobby store and knowing my desire to construct a General Store/Gas Station found one for me.
The kit he located is a Mainline and Siding kit from a manufacturer that is no longer in business.
I know that this is considered to be a craftsman kit (Says so on the box cover) but I plan to start with this kit and also chance it by scratch building some additions to the building.

The kit is a board by board construction kit and comes with prestained stripwood and contains a package of detail castings made by Scale Structures Limited especially for this kit.
There are also various other parts that are normally found in most kits.
The instructions are rather plain Jane with general instructions for all of the M and S kits and specific templates for this kit.
I now have to decide how to alter this kit and may include a second story residence like the general store posted by Jim Mooney.
I might also add some repair bays for automobiles using the cockeyed building as a guide.
So I have some new plans to draw and some new materials to purchase (Gas pumps for one as I model 1986 and the ones included are way too early).
So I may be bending the rules a bit as I am not really starting with a kit that is not considered to be fine scale.
However this kit is a great starting point for my General Store/Gas Station.










Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/12/2004 5:52:56 PM
Message:

John, that's a really nice kit!
(that's supposed to be "drooling" - it might look more like puking, but it's not.... )

Anyway...

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags


So I may be bending the rules a bit as I am not really starting with a kit that is not considered to be fine scale.




Since we never actually came to any common definition of "finescale" and never made any real distinction between "finescale" and "craftsman," I wouldn't worry too much about rule bending with this one. I'm looking forward to seeing how your project turns out.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/12/2004 6:57:30 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

Hi all
Bruce happened to be checking out a new hobby store and knowing my desire to construct a General Store/Gas Station found one for me.



On Saturday, I was packing up the kit to send to John, when my wife asked what I was doing. I explained that I had visited a new hobby shop and found a kit that I thought John would enjoy for a project he had in mind. At this point she asked how it was that I knew what a fellow modeler who I have never met wanted, when I never seem to know what she wants? [:-headache][:-crazy] After 35 years of marriage, I have found that some questions, though simply posed, have no good answer.[:-taped]

Bruce


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/12/2004 7:34:19 PM
Message:

Take a tip from a guy who has been married 28 years ( not to the same lady ) ,buy her some flowers ASAP , Bruce .Just because .Good luck .
TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/12/2004 7:39:51 PM
Message:

Hard to see that one coming Bruce. I suggest flowers may help, as I see Teejay also suggests.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/12/2004 8:29:04 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Dutchman

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

Hi all
Bruce happened to be checking out a new hobby store and knowing my desire to construct a General Store/Gas Station found one for me.



On Saturday, I was packing up the kit to send to John, when my wife asked what I was doing. I explained that I had visited a new hobby shop and found a kit that I thought John would enjoy for a project he had in mind. At this point she asked how it was that I knew what a fellow modeler who I have never met wanted, when I never seem to know what she wants? [:-headache][:-crazy] After 35 years of marriage, I have found that some questions, though simply posed, have no good answer.[:-taped]

Bruce



Hi Bruce
I think it is a gender thing.
Males are not all that complicated and it is very easy to know what another one likes or dislikes.
However women are much more complicated and require special handling.
I could be all wet with this assessment for being divorced I obviously did not do everything correctly.


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 01/12/2004 8:29:05 PM
Message:

Well Bruce it looks as if you got blindsided by that train wreck.A romantic apology and the afore mentioned flowers sound well in order. Good luck I think your right in that there is no good answer to that question just like when they ask do I look "Fat" in these jeans? RUUUUUUUUUUN


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 01/12/2004 9:02:03 PM
Message:

Bruce, after 35 years, you have to be doing something right. If I was in the same situation, I'm not sure what my response would have been. Not that there is a right answer, either. But I'm sure you found an appropriate response.

Chuck


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 01/12/2004 9:02:38 PM
Message:

UUhhhh....Bruce...I'm a fellow modeler...I don't have a kit for the challenge yet...could you send me one I might like also...


John, can't wait to see what you come up with. But...pre-stained lumber [:-bigeyes]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/12/2004 9:21:24 PM
Message:

Bruce

There are a coupler of great jewelry sellers on Ebay. They have helped me out on several occasions.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/12/2004 10:11:09 PM
Message:

I like Ken's idea , Bruce you can send US , your buddies models , and your wife the flowers . I believe they call it win/ win .Now I've got my eye on that brass.........

TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/12/2004 10:31:25 PM
Message:

I'm getting married again at the end of the month so I am paying close attention here.

Can I get a couple of extra weeks for the challenge to cover the time I am away on our honeymoon please?


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 01/12/2004 10:52:18 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by bpate

I'm getting married again at the end of the month so I am paying close attention here.

Can I get a couple of extra weeks for the challenge to cover the time I am away on our honeymoon please?



Congratulations Barry![:-party][:-shades]

C'mon guys...give him some extra time...if he has to take his "challenge" project on the honeymoon, it won't score him any extra brownie points with the new Mrs. Barry![:-brokenheart]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/12/2004 10:56:27 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by bpate

I'm getting married again at the end of the month so I am paying close attention here.

Can I get a couple of extra weeks for the challenge to cover the time I am away on our honeymoon please?


Barry you mean you did not explain to the bride that there are certain things that must be accomplished (Challenge project)while you are on the honeymoon.[:-eyebrows]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/12/2004 11:30:38 PM
Message:

Thanks Drew

No amount of flowers and diamonds would make up for that John!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/12/2004 11:47:17 PM
Message:

Barry,

Let me join in wishing you and your bride-to-be much happiness!

Bruce


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/13/2004 12:02:07 AM
Message:

Thanks Bruce, This is a bit off topic I guess.

I am going to build my station on a removable section and will build a couple of passenger cars. One or maybe two second class carriages. I am debating with myself if I will do a first class carriage or not. Not sure if there was much call for first class travel up my way back in the 50's. Still working up the plan.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/13/2004 12:03:08 AM
Message:

I'm sure Barry will insist the first born will be named ' SHAY '
TERRY


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/13/2004 08:39:28 AM
Message:

Congrats Barry on your getting married.


Reply author: lostcanyonrr
Replied on: 01/13/2004 10:45:10 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by teejay

I'm sure Barry will insist the first born will be named ' SHAY '
TERRY



I claim that my first daughter's earliest words were train and Shay. I won't tell the story here because it being off topic but you can see it on my web page: http://wanlass.com/jim/mr/jt/ scroll down to "Exciting news! 12/2/01" to see the story and http://wanlass.com/jim/mr/jt/layout/switching.html (scroll to the bottom) to see pictures of her running a Shay.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 01/13/2004 12:30:34 PM
Message:

Barry, I'm sorry, I forgot to congratulate you and wish you luck in your upcoming nuptials.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/13/2004 12:53:46 PM
Message:

So Barry , where / when is the stag party ...are we all invited ? [:-bigeyes]
TERRY


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 01/13/2004 2:18:14 PM
Message:

Yes, congrats Barry!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/13/2004 2:41:18 PM
Message:

Congratulations Barry!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/13/2004 5:03:49 PM
Message:

Hi all
I have spent the last couple of hours deciding how I will build my General Store/Gas Station.
I plan to use the kit Bruce obtained for me (Actually I paid for the kit Bruce just found it and purchased it for me,so Bruce was not playing Santa Claus) as the backbone of the structure.
Karl S. built a Country Store from plans posted by Jim Mooney (I have the plans) and I will post a picture of his model for reference.




The front and left side of my model will be very similar to this as I want the second story residence.
I will take the store portion with the metal siding from the M & S kit and move it to the right side of the first structure.



I will then have a driveway around the left side of the building to some bays for automobile repair and also the outside freezer that Bruce posted as the cockeyed building.
These will come off the back of the structure built by Karl.







I think I can draw up a set of plans that will combine the 3 structures into one.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/14/2004 11:03:58 AM
Message:

Thank you all for the congrats. You are of course all invited to the big do, it is summer here so the weather will be good.

That will be a fine building John. I look forward to watching your progress with it.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/14/2004 3:37:22 PM
Message:

Congratulations on your upcoming wedding, Barry. I wish you all the happiness in the world. However, with respect to your request...

quote:
Originally posted by bpate

I'm getting married again at the end of the month so I am paying close attention here.

Can I get a couple of extra weeks for the challenge to cover the time I am away on our honeymoon please?



...you really have to get your priorities straight, man! I mean, what good is setting a deadline if you're going to clabber it up with some wedding and honeymoon foolishness? [:-eyebrows]

But if you must have the whole two weeks, I suppose you must have it... (loosely paraphrasing Ebeneezer Scrooge)


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/14/2004 6:16:52 PM
Message:

Thanks Mike. I was really only kidding about needing an extension of time, but thanks. Imagine the lame excuses this lot would come up with if you start allowing time extensions!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/14/2004 7:18:37 PM
Message:

John,

I can't wait to see the final plan as you combine aspects of these three structures.

Bruce (not Santa)


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/14/2004 7:31:18 PM
Message:

Hey Bruce, I guess our presents must be delayed in the post, is that right?!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/14/2004 7:48:08 PM
Message:

Hi all
Well I have officially started on the Challenge project.
I am building the easy part of the structure first.
That is the General Store part which is being constructed as is from the kit Santa (Bruce) got for me.
I am using the metal siding that you can see in the photo.
I am using my Modern Options 2 part solutions for rusting out these panels.
I will try to dry brush them with some paint to show that they were at one time painted metal panels that need to be painted again.
Do not have enough completed to be worth a picture but when I do I will post one of the walls.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/14/2004 7:51:03 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by bpate

Hey Bruce, I guess our presents must be delayed in the post, is that right?!



Hi Barry
Those that were good last year get craftsman kits.
Those who were bad get nothing.[:-eyebrows]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/15/2004 8:46:54 PM
Message:

Hi all
I made some small progress on the project.
I am constructing the store front using the Mainline and Siding kit.
I have reversed the door placement as this structure will be to the right and not on the left of the main entrance that is in the photo posted above from the kit.
I did the side wall in metal which I am not that impressed with so I decided to do the front wall with the pre weathered wood supplied in the kit.
I will do the other side wall and the back wall in metal.
One interesting difference in the directions for this kit is that while it is board by board and board on board but you assemble the 2X10's over the double sided tape first and the add the framing.
I am used to doing the framing first and then adding the boards.
Also since the instructions claim that the framing will not show only minimal framing around the perimeter and the window and door openings is used.
In the pictures the door and windows are not done as I have to pick a color for the trim and they are just primed with earth and tacked in place.
That's all folks for tonight.






Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/15/2004 9:14:27 PM
Message:

John,

Boy, you are off and running! Looks good. Was there much flash on the white metal windows and door?

Bruce


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/15/2004 9:55:17 PM
Message:

Thanks Bruce.
Actually there was not that much flash, however what flash there was was behind the jams which meant I had to do a lot of filing to get the windows and doors to fit in their openings.[:-banghead][:-banghead][:-banghead][:-censored]

Where is my Dremmel.[:-eyebrows][:-eyebrows]


Reply author: billb
Replied on: 01/15/2004 11:56:18 PM
Message:

Where does he get all those wonderful smilies?
[:-batman]loose quote from the Joker.

[:-eyebrows]

I'm considering joining your little project here (considering being the operative word).I'm doing some research and figuring first to see if my idea is going to be feasable or if I'm going feeble!

Goodnight one and all!

Bill Burge
Marion,Iowa


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/16/2004 10:14:01 AM
Message:

Well, John I see you're off to a flying start. It's looking very good already! [:-thumbu]

I'm still delaying my start on this Challenge project until I get Majestic Hardware finished. I hope to make some more progress toward that end this weekend because I'm really looking forward to starting on my station.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 01/16/2004 11:32:42 AM
Message:

That is some very fine modeling, John!


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 01/16/2004 11:42:28 AM
Message:

John,

Looking good. Will be waiting for more progress photos.

Jim


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/16/2004 8:23:03 PM
Message:

Hi again
Well I spent the better part of the day doing something that I have never done in the past.
Using Jim Mooneys plans and pictures of the cockeyed building I decided to make a cardboard mockup of the Challenge project.
The cardboard siding is from a Suydam kit I had but will never build.
Like the pink roofs.[:-banghead]
The metal windows and doors in the photos are from the M&S kit and I will use them.
The other windows and doors are from the scrap box and probably will change.
I hope to do some shopping for detail parts when I am at the Big E Train Show.
On to the pictures
The first is a front view with the wooden M&S kit piece on the right that I built yesterday.
Again none of the windows or doors ane glued in they are just stuck on using double sided tape.





Next is a left side view.
The extension on the left will be bays where automobile repairs will be done.
I need to find suitable garage doors among other things.



The back which shows the extension which was inspired by the cockeyed building.
None of the openings except the 2 windows in the end wall are correct they were just openings from the Suydam kit.




Last is the right side of the building with the metal siding that I constructed yesterday.
The more I look at the metal siding the less I like it and I probably will replace it with wood siding.
The shed at the back of the building is the exterior freezer that is on the cockeyed building.



Well now I have to take everything apart to use the pieces as templates.
I am glad I have a camera to record what I put where.
The whole project is held together with an Elmers Craft Bond glue stick and I hope not to damage anything in the tear down.

I am toying with the idea of having this building as a waterfront structure with a fuel dock on the backside.
The store will then become a Marine Supply store.

The new Bar mills kit "Booty Corner" which I have ordered has a grocery store.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/16/2004 8:45:36 PM
Message:

Glad to see someone is making progress John! With all those roof lines and angles it will have alot of eye appeal when it's finished.[:-thumbu][:-thumbu][:-thumbu]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/16/2004 9:20:12 PM
Message:

Boy some of you guys are off to a flying start .John , I'm glad that you did that mock up , I was having difficulty following your previous descriptions. Now I see. It certainly is a challenging project but you are well on your way .
I haven't started mine yet as I did promise my wife that I would refinish her wood hutch for the kitchen so first things first .
TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/16/2004 9:27:23 PM
Message:

Great mock up John! How long did it take to do it? As I am going to try to scratchbuild my station a mockup may be a good idea.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/16/2004 9:39:22 PM
Message:

Boy, what an impressive set of structures, John!! [:-thumbu] I'm really looking forward to seeing them as you progress through the actual construction.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/16/2004 9:48:44 PM
Message:

John,

That is an ambitious project! From your mockup, I can see the essence of each of the three structures. I'm looking forward to the next update.

Bruce


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 01/16/2004 10:03:08 PM
Message:

Very interesting and creative John. As I was writing this I couldn't help myself from going back to the pictures and studying how all the pieces fit together. As Tyson already said, all the angles and roof lines creates a lot of interest. I'm going to enjoy watching your progress on this project.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/16/2004 10:16:22 PM
Message:

John

Nice start! It will be interesting to see it develop.

Of course maybe I should also try to make some progress.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/17/2004 09:13:05 AM
Message:

Hi all
Thanks for the encouragement.
Barry it took me most of yesterday afternoon to do the mockup. However since I was working with photos, I had to wing it as I went.
Since I work most of today and tomorrow the structure will sit for the next 2 days which will give me a change to make some modifications.
Since this will be on a river I am seriously thinking about adding a dock on the rear of the structure and putting in a fuel dock for the boats on the river.
There was a discussion here about a year ago of modeling a fuel dock and I have kept that in the back of my mind.
My focus is that this was once a simple house that was converted to a general store/gas station and then to a gas station/marine supply company.
I will probably make some changes to the final structure which is the nice thing about working with cardboard.
The changes are easy to do and the scrap goes in the waste basket.
I have also learned a lot my making a mockup first.
Sorry to be so long winded.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/18/2004 08:17:45 AM
Message:

John, if it's an afternoons work then a mockup is a good investment of time. I shall follow your lead and also do a mockup before starting on the real model I think.


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 01/19/2004 08:07:00 AM
Message:

Well, I made some progress over the weekend, I went to MRPO and bought the windows I could, and ordered the rest. Also cut some more lumber. I told the guy in the store about my project of scratch-building a station from home-cut wood, he said not many folks do that anymore. Maybe I'll start a new trend!

Seeing the mock-ups here gave me the idea that maybe I should do mock-ups too, so I have a better idea how everything should look and fit together. Find out where the trouble spots are with free stuff, since I have a few cardboard boxes ready for the trash anyway.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/19/2004 08:29:49 AM
Message:

Hi all
Another thought on making mock-ups it to take the cardboard that you use to make the mock-up and glue the boards to the cardboard.
This would be building board by board over cardboard.
In the Quincy kit from Sierra West the lower floor of the barn is true board by board over a wooden frame but the upper story is board by board over laser cut cardstock and the second structure which is the Storage Shed is 100% board by board over laser cut cardstock.
You just paint the cardstock a dark color first and then if there are gaps between the boards you see the dark color which would be like seeing the interior walls of the structure.
You would have to use good cardstock in order to get the rigidity necessary for it to remain flat.
Since I made my mock-up for an old Suydam Kit which actually used the cardstock for the siding I think I will give this a try.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/22/2004 10:55:14 PM
Message:

Hi all
Well I made some small progress on the Challenge project.
I am working on the part of the structure that is from the cockeyed building.
The original looks like is has tongue and grove siding and I attempted to make my own look-a-like siding.
I am showing the picture from the mock-up that I have done since it is the preceding page.



I have not done any weathering of the siding or the windows as of yet.




Small progress but I should be able to proceed with the other sides now that I have the technique mastered to my liking.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/22/2004 11:47:56 PM
Message:

At least you are making progress John. Tonight was the first night in over a week I did anything with the challenge. I painted the second coat on the walls and did the first coat on the windows and doors. Tomorrow I will seal the walls and hopefully get the second coat on the windows.

John when do weather the walls before or after assembly?


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/23/2004 07:39:17 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by TomPM



John when do weather the walls before or after assembly?


Hi Tom
I do all the physical (wire brush, nail holes, etc.) before the walls are assembled.
I will also paint and weather the windows, doors, siding before the walls are assembled.
However I will do some additional weathering normally with chalks after assembly so that one wall will flow into another.

With roofs depending on the type I will usually do most of the weathering after assembly.
Again I use chalks for this.
I have used chalks on plastic models and they do also work well so they are not just for wood.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 01/23/2004 07:52:37 AM
Message:

Look'in good John. Thanks for the update.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 01/23/2004 08:53:31 AM
Message:

It's starting to take shape , John , keep the momentum going . I need the inspiration to get going on my project ..too many irons in the fire .[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/23/2004 10:12:52 AM
Message:

John, it's looking really good! I like the way your siding appears. [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/23/2004 1:33:38 PM
Message:

John that's coming along very nicely!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 01/23/2004 8:39:04 PM
Message:

Nice to see your progress John. I was actually thinking about using a good mockup as a base for the timber, as you suggestso I am glad it is a viable option, given the mock up is suitable. I will get some good cardstock rather thanuse scraps.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 01/23/2004 9:11:41 PM
Message:

Barry,
So far so good.
I am using the cardboard walls that were in a Suydam kit and since these were the exterior clapboard walls the cardboard is quite thick.
I am using Aleene's Tacky Glue to glue the wood to the cardstock and I have used washes of brown shoe die and alcohol and it all seems to be staying together.

I finished another wall today.
This will have a bay for automobile repairs and a door to the office.
I plan to scratch built them from wood.
I will try to post how I did this as Bruce asked for a tutorial on making barn doors.
The wood is the preweathered scale 2X10's that came with the M&S kit that Bruce found for me.
I used scale 1X2's between the larger boards to get the look of tongue and grove siding.
The 2" are what you see of the smaller board.
Well I work the next 2 days so I will not have a chance to work on this again until Monday.

Question: Should I paint the siding or leave it as is?

In the pictures the windows are not glued in place and I see the one on the right in not perpendicular to the ground.
I still have to add nail holes and brush the siding for texture.






Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/24/2004 10:21:11 AM
Message:

John, I think your solution for creating the tongue and groove siding is an excellent one.That's a construction method I'm going to tuck away for future use. Thanks! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/24/2004 1:39:50 PM
Message:

John

Looks like you are making good progress.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/26/2004 2:21:10 PM
Message:

John,
I think that your "tongue & groove" technique has really captured the look of the cockeyed building. Your model is really taking shape now.[:-thumbu]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/27/2004 10:52:02 AM
Message:

John looks like you are getting along well with your project.

Finally I made some progress on the challenge project.
Rear wall


Front wall


Side walls


The wall is painted with Folk Art Sunflower (need to get #) thinned with blue windshield wiper fluid at a 1:1 rate. The windows and trim are painted with Folk Art Green Meadow (726) thinned with blue windshield wiper fluid at a 1:1 rate. Next is to do some weathering and to assemble the walls. Also I need to think about any signs or such I may add to the walls. I am still not sure what I am going to with the base that came with the model. I need the ramps for the freight doors but I don’t care for the rest of it. Maybe it is time to figure out how to cast a base for it. I will have to do some reading of Mike C’s posts regarding this matter. Another thing I need to do is paint the window trim on the cupola. The windows are cast as part of the cupola wall pieces. Also the roof is waiting for its final color.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/27/2004 11:41:19 AM
Message:

Tom, it's looking really good![:-thumbu] Instead of a stone (plaster) base, have you thought about scratchbuilding a wooden platform? That would look nice also.

Your progress is making me feel really guilty... I haven't yet started on mine. I hoped to finish up Majestic Hardware this past weekend, but the ice storm ruined those plans. So I'm another week behind on finishing that and getting my station project started. [:-banghead]


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 01/27/2004 12:14:28 PM
Message:

Tom,
It looks like you are making good progress on the Challenge. Thanks for including the information on the paint. Like Mike, I'm feeling guilty about not getting started, but unlike Mike, my start date is further in the future.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 01/27/2004 12:31:21 PM
Message:

Guys thanks for the compliments.

I did not mean to make any feel guilty. Heck it has taken me almost four weeks to get this point with a simple model kit.

Mike what I have been considering for the base after looking at some photos of local stations is scratch building a styrene base that would represent a concrete or granite curb and a red brick platform. Many of the station platforms in this area were red brick when they were first constructed. Many were later converted to macadam as the bricks needed replacement.

If I went the wood route, where would I get the wood? I know there have been past discussions on scale wood and things I have not paid much attention to them so I am somewhat ignorant when comes to the subject but willing to learn. I may be thinking of using wood for the freight platforms which have to rise above the base to meet the freight doors and the boxcar doors. Also I may do the trolley platforms with wood.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 01/27/2004 2:22:50 PM
Message:

Tom, you can buy stripwood and siding sheets at most LHS's. Walther's also has quite a bit listed. In addition, places like Hobby Haven and Michaels carry dimensioned stripwood in both basswood and balsa.

If you look on pages 50-51 of the first Challenge thread, I have some photos of a platform and freight dock I built for my project. They might give you some ideas about a starting point.
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4293&whichpage=50


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 01/27/2004 6:15:30 PM
Message:

Tom that is looking real nice. Excellent choice of colors! Mark me up as one who is also feeling guilty, but I have a road trip coming up in a few days and had to clear the boards of some other projects first.


Reply author: terry hansley
Replied on: 01/27/2004 10:49:56 PM
Message:

Tom

The station is looking real good[:-thumbu]

I thought I would be able to start on my Skull Valley Station by now, but I have decided to concentrate on the Coal Trestle full time.

My progress on the CT is such that I can see the end. One more NBW casting and I`m going to scream[:-irked]

I will be able to open the Plaid box next week.[:-eyebrows]

Terry H


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 02/02/2004 10:01:48 AM
Message:

Well, I finally got my Grandt Line windows and doors that I ordered from the LHS, so I can begin construction! [:-jump2]

I have a bunch of wood cut (not enough, but enough to get started), so this week after work I'll be cloistering myself downstairs. If/when I make some progress I'll bring what I have to a friend who has a digital camera and post some pics. This is going to be a complex scratch-build for me, lots of angles, outcrops, etc. It'll either come out looking real good or REAL bad (I have my suspicions, but I'm not gonna let that stop me!).


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/03/2004 3:35:15 PM
Message:

Mark,
Glad that your Grandt Line order came in. Not to hurry you, but I'm anxious to see pictures of your progress.


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 02/04/2004 09:23:08 AM
Message:

Bruce,
The best laid plans of mice and men, etc... Havn't gotten a thing done yet this week, got home from work late and we've been having a leak in the family room caused by an ice dam on the roof, yesterday's rain didn't help. So far a progress photo would show a zip-lock bag full of cut wood and a bunch of windows and doors still in the plastic bags. Oh yes, photocopies of the station plans too!

Maybe someday soon...


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/04/2004 10:10:38 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by mhdishere


The best laid plans of mice and men, etc... Havn't gotten a thing done yet this week,

Maybe someday soon...



Boy, can I relate to that, Mark! I had hoped to have Majestic Hardware finished by now and a good start on my project. But snow and ice storms across the Ozarks the last two weekends have kept us up here in the city and me away from the models I leave down there to work on.

Like you said, maybe someday soon... [:-banghead]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/07/2004 7:15:37 PM
Message:

I am going to follow John's lead and try to do a mock up of the station today. I asked Karen if she wanted to help and she said yes!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/08/2004 02:37:43 AM
Message:

End of day progress report.

Lesson 1. I had asked Karen if she wanted to help, well for a few minutes opinion I had to repay by going shopping for handbags - so lesson learnt!

Here is a mock up of the railway station. I have yet to figure out how to get the stairs joined to the walkway that will pass over the tracks.



I am using a spare bit of MDF as the base for the station and have laid out a track plan:


Being reasonably happy with the level 1 look I have started on wall 1. As this is my first scratch build and the station will be in good condition I am using Northeastern Scale Lumber 3/32" Clapboard x 11" siding and Tichy windows and doors.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/08/2004 08:38:23 AM
Message:

Barry,
It looks like you made a great start (even with taking time out to go shopping for handbags) When cutting the openings for the windows/doors, etc., did you use the old trick of putting tape on the back of the wood to prevent splitting?


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/08/2004 5:44:55 PM
Message:

Hi Bruce, I made sure I had cut right through the clapboard before removing the pieces. I didn't get an splitting this time. The tape trick is new to me so I will use it in the future. Thanks for the tip.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 02/08/2004 7:00:50 PM
Message:

Hi Barry
Welcome back to the world of modeling and buying handbags.
It looks like you are off to a fine start with your project.
I have put mine on hold somewhat since I have been working on Booty Corner.
However at the train show on Saturday I did make 2 purchases that should help in the future.
I bought the 1-Kit from Bar Mills which should assist in making the walls for the major portion of the model and I bought a 200 piece selection of windows from Tichy so that between the two I should be able to make some progress once I get restarted on this project.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/08/2004 7:16:42 PM
Message:

My mockup wasn't as elaborate as yours John but it gave me enough idea to know if the dimensions and general look of it would work. I want to have a staircase in the centre and be able to see though the middle of the building as I think some interesting photographs could result. The staircase will lead to an enclosed walkway across to the township beyond. Most stations in Victoria have a raised platform.

I am impressed with the Tichy doors and windows. I thought I had brought quite a few but I think getting 200 is a good idea.


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 02/09/2004 09:11:52 AM
Message:

Well, I did some work on my station over the weekend, and got nothing accomplished (unless learning lessons is an accomplishment, which I guess it is).

I'm building the station board-by-board, so I taped down a copy of my plan and covered it with double-sided tape. First mistake, do NOT stretch the tape, it will pull back after it's in place and crinkle the paper underneath. The crinkling wasn't TOO bad so rather than start over I plowed on. I then stuck down all my grandt line windows and doors, then started on the framing (nearly-scale balsa strips). It was looking good at this point, after cutting and trimming all those tiny hunks of wood. Once everything was in place and adjusted to my liking I pulled the windows out so they wouldn't get glued in yet, then went back and applied a little dollop of white glue to each joint with a toothpick, then went away for a few hours to work on the honeydo list.

Finally, I went downstairs to check on my handiwork, the glue was dry, so I started peeling the frame off the tape. That's when the trouble started, the tape was too sticky and the balsa too weak and started snapping. By the time I was thru I had a collection of broken balsa (although most of the joints held) which would up in the trash.

Lessons learned:

1) I have to tone-down the stickyness of the tape. I've read (probably on this forum) of putting some baby powder on it.

2) I have to pay more attention to my bracing, try not to line the seams up so nicely which creates weak spots.

3) I'm going to try a layer of regular scotch tape, sticky side up and taped down at the corners, instead of the double sided tape. Coupled with the baby powder, I figure I can peel that off the frame better than I could the paper/tape combination.

4) Failing all else, I'll side the walls BEFORE I remove them from the tape, the extra layer of wood should provide enough strength to keep everything together.

Well, as my Daddy used to say, you live and learn, you die and forget it all.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/09/2004 10:22:45 AM
Message:

Mark, double-stick tape comes in two varieties. One is usually labelled "permanent" or something like that. It's the really sticky variety, and I use it only for "heavy" assemblies. The other is usually called "photo safe" or something to that effect. It's far less sticky, and I use it for delicate assemblies. It would probably be ideal for balsa construction.

Also, with the first variety, to make it less sticky, I just run my finger across it a couple of times before attaching any stripwood to it. The slight trace of oil from my skin makes the tape less tacky.

And here's another thing I do when using double-stick tape. I always cover my template/drawing with a piece of waxed paper first. Then I put the double-stick on the waxed paper. That way I don't have to worry with my assembly becoming glued to the template and creating additional problems when I'm removing it from the tape.


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 02/09/2004 11:00:30 AM
Message:

Mike,
The stuff I have says "Photo safe" on it, and I do run my finger over it a few times too.

Perhaps part of my problem was that I covered the whole drawing with tape, instead of just a few strategically placed strips. Once the main pieces are in place and glued it's probably not too hard to add the additional studs, braces, etc.

I'll give the waxed paper a try too, thanks!


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/10/2004 8:49:08 PM
Message:

While I am working on Fenimore, I decided to build a coal dock to go with it. As a starting point, I will use 2 Bar Mills low boy trestles. Here is the photo of the kit from their website:



Here is a drawing of a PRR coal trestle that I found on the RPI website. This drawing will be the basis for my coal trestle. There will be a few differences, though.



I will probably replace the cross members. The kit includes Z shaped pieces that are peel and stick to the trestle bents. Unfortunately, the diagonal part of the Z has the grain going the wrong way and I know that will bug me. SO, I will replace the Z with stripwood. Then there are NBW's that this model will absorb. Adding the ties and track will be interesting for me since I have to allow for coal to drop thru, as shown in the drawing. A walkway on either side, an end of track bumper, and a support at the end of the trestle will complete it.

This should pass the time as I watch the paint dry on Fenimore.

Chuck


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 02/16/2004 08:01:35 AM
Message:

Well, I got some more work done on the station (finally!). I built a new frame for my first wall (see my disaster story above if you missed it), and this time I'm siding it while it's still on the tape, maybe this time it'll come off more or less in one piece. I'll keep you posted!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/16/2004 09:58:04 AM
Message:

Mark, I made an interesting discovery this weekend. I've been using double-sided tape for many years - going back to around 1983 or 84as best as I can remember. I never knew or realized until this past weekend that 3M Scotch makes three different kinds of double-sided tape. Each has its own level of tackiness or "sticky." It never occured to me when buying a new roll from time to time that a different colored label (blue Scotch plaid instead of yellow and red, for example) meant a different variety. [:-dunce] They all said "double-sided" or "double-stick" and some said "safe for photos." That was good enough for me. [:-dunce] I've got all three varieties packed for the journey back to the city. I'll post a photo and product #'s later today or tomorrow when I get a chance.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/16/2004 10:04:59 AM
Message:

Chuck,
I just saw the diagram for your coal trestle. I should add a lot to the Fenimore scene.

Mark,
Good luck with attempt #2!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/16/2004 10:06:21 AM
Message:

I finished Majestic Hardware last night, so I'm finally ready to begin my station project next weekend. However, because I lost almost a month's worth of weekends here at the Lake (thanks to bad weather/roads) and I'm getting a late start, I probably won't have time to do some of the things I had planned for the project. I pretty much decided to build the station as designed and "super-detail" it. I think I can get that much done by June. [:-dopey]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/16/2004 10:15:19 AM
Message:

Chuck, I just read your comments about the Z shaped "peel and stick" pieces. Majestic Hardware has a lot of peel and stick parts, and I discovered the adhesive on the parts isn't as strong as it could/should be. I wound up having to glue most of them with white glue anyway. If the Z shaped pieces your'e talking about have the same adhesive on them, I think you'll be happier with your stripwood replacements - particularly if the grain is an added concern.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/16/2004 10:52:07 AM
Message:

Mike,

I'm not thrilled with it for another reason. The diagonal portion of the Z brace crosses the trestle bents. The gaps in between the bents will have the sticky side exposed, and will attract materials. I put them on 4 bents, and will now be removing them. Hopefully, I have the right size stripwood to replace them. Thanks for your comments on the adhesion quality. I might remove the Z braces completely and reglue them on.

Chuck


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/16/2004 11:57:46 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by wvrr


Here is a drawing of a PRR coal trestle that I found on the RPI website. This drawing will be the basis for my coal trestle. There will be a few differences, though.


Chuck,
Was this on the free side of the RPI site, or are you a paid-up member?


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/16/2004 12:12:29 PM
Message:

Bruce,

I downloaded the drawing before RPI became "pay-per-view". I am not a paying member. There is a lot of great information on their webpage, but I found I did not go there frequently.

Chuck


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/16/2004 6:20:19 PM
Message:

Mark, here's a photo of the three types of double-stick tape I have. As I said earlier today, each has its own degree of adhesion. The one in the back ("Removable") has about the same amount of tack as a Post-It note. That's the variety I use for my most delicate subassemblies.



I'm not sure if these numbers are 3M stock numbers, but they're the only ones on the labels that look as if they might be:
Double-stick: 34-8505-8709-7
Permanent: 34-8506-9513-0
Removable: 34-8505-9659-3


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/16/2004 11:06:51 PM
Message:

I started on my coal dock, yesterday. I applied the peel and stick Z bracing from the Bar Mills kit to the trestle bents. They seem to adhere well.



Since Mike had issues with Bar Mills peel and stick parts in Majestic Hardware, and I had issues with the grain going the wrong way on the diagonal portion, I pulled them off. Plus, I had visions of an 8 legged critter sticking to the exposed portion of the diagonal brace that has adhesive on the back.

So, off it came. I cut my own z bracing from 2x10 stripwood. I then painted it with Pollyscale railroad tie brown. I rmoved some of the paint with alcohol. And, finally, I installed two different types of NBW's. 7 more trestle bents to go!



Chuck


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 02/16/2004 11:12:43 PM
Message:

Looks like you are off to a good start Chuck!

I have finally got some work done on the challenge project. I assembled the walls and added shades to the windows. I also added some signs from Blair Line and did some weathering. Here are some progress photos.









Next I would like to add a few more things like light fixtures on the side walls. Then I need to tackle the base.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/16/2004 11:16:56 PM
Message:

Thanks, Tom. It looks like you are making good progress, too.

A question about my trestle bent. Should there also be NBW's to line up with the diagonal brace that is on the other side?

Chuck


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/16/2004 11:42:33 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by wvrr

.A question about my trestle bent. Should there also be NBW's to line up with the diagonal brace that is on the other side?


Chuck,
I would say yes. They would go through from side to side. BTW, do you cut the NBW's flush and just glue them on, or do you keep a "stud" behind them and drill a hole to insert them in? I like the looks of the bent--much better than the original.

Tom, nice progress on the challenge.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/17/2004 07:45:43 AM
Message:

That's what I thought, Bruce. It didn't dawn on me until I looked at my photo. As for the NBW's, I leave a "stud" on the casting and drill a hole for it. Much easier and a little more permanent.

Chuck


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 02/17/2004 07:59:25 AM
Message:

Chuck and Tom, you guys are making good progress and thanks for the updates.


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 02/17/2004 10:13:40 AM
Message:

Thanks for the photo Mike, the stuff I have is plain old double-stick (at least I knew better than to buy permanent!). I don't think I've ever seen the removable stuff, but it would probably have saved me some grief.

This time around I'm adding the siding before I try to remove the wall from the tape. I've got the boards in place, but the top part is supposed to be shingled so I have to experiment with making shingles that'll take paint. I've got some brown craft paper that might work, but I'm gonna try it on a scrap of cardboard before I put it on something I care about!

I actually have a good way to make strips of shingles from paper, I cut strips of paper, then using a jig to hold the paper on my chopper so the blade will only cut about 1/2 way thru the strip I notch the shingles, then twist them to give that slightly uneven look. I used this on top of my coal silo and I thought it looked great, used black construction paper roughed up with sandpaper for that.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/17/2004 10:53:19 AM
Message:

Chuck, your trestle bents look a lot better than the originals. And I agree with Bruce on the NBW's.

Tom, you've made some substantial progress! It's looking very good! [:-thumbu]

Mark, I always add the siding to a wall frame before removing it from the tape. The siding adds extra stability to the frame and helps hold it together. Thanks for the tip on making/cutting shingles. I'm going to file that one away for future reference.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 02/17/2004 3:23:29 PM
Message:

Hi Guys
I am glad to see someone posting here in the Challenge project.
I have been off trying to finish Booty corner and then Fenimore's and my project has sat there on the workbench wondering if I would ever work on it again.
I can see that it will be a struggle to complete it by the end of June but I have reserved April to begin serious construction again.
So until then I will just be a cheerleader for the rest of you.
So congratulations on your accomplishments this far.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/21/2004 10:10:21 AM
Message:

Well, I'm finally into the game... sort of

I stopped by Kinkos before leaving town yesterday and had a full sized copy made of each template sheet. The templates are typical of Campbell kits: many drawings on both sides of two large sheets. Having copies allows me to cut the templates up into more manageable sizes for my work area.

Then I spent a little while last evening reading through the opening steps in the instructions and matching them up with specific drawings. I have always found this to be a very necessary step with Campbell kits because - unlike most of the new laser-cut kits - there is a lot of cutting and shaping to be done by the modeler.

(For anyone who is unfamiliar with Campbell kits, many of their kits contain various sizes of milled sheet wood and stripwood. It's up to the modeler to transfer cutting lines from the templates to the wood and then cut out the various wall components or trim pieces. It's not as difficult as it sounds, but it's not as easy as laser-cut and/or tab and slot components.)

Anyway, that's my start. I'm going to try to get started with actual construction later today. Unfortunately, however much I'm able to get done this weekend will be it until mid-March. It appears likely that I will not be able to get back here (at the lake) for the next two weekends. [:-grumpy]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/22/2004 10:17:50 AM
Message:

I spent last evening doing some preliminary weathering of the wall sections with black alcohol. While that dried, I worked on establishing a color scheme for the depot. I decided to use Floquil Depot Buff for the main color. So I spent the rest of the evening painting (and stinking up the room with Floquil odors) the various wall sections. But when I got up this morning and looked at them, I didn't like the color after all. It's too yellow for what I want. So I'm going to try to wire brush it down as much as I can and repaint the walls with Ceramcoat's Sandstone.

This should be interesting. If I fail, I guess I'll be ordering some Kappler or Northeastern milled siding.... [:-grumpy]




Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 02/22/2004 7:13:28 PM
Message:

Well I'm glad to see some people are making progress! You will have to do better though as you all haven't yet suceeded in shaming me into getting back to work on my project!!!!!! Maybe next week I'll get on it, yeah right. LOL


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 02/22/2004 7:20:41 PM
Message:

Like Tyson and John , I haven't touched my challenge after a fairly small start .The next step requires casting some plaster . I will get to it but a couple of other projects ( ship and backdrop ) are behind schedule .
I've got most of what I need for the project except a BOOT !
Nice to see the progress that the others are making .Looking good .

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/22/2004 7:32:55 PM
Message:

Tyson and Terry: just remember, this is a challenge. You're either up to it or you're not. hehe [:-devil][:-devil]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 02/22/2004 8:07:40 PM
Message:

Great work Chuck & Tom! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/22/2004 8:53:17 PM
Message:

Mike, 2 to 1 odds that Terry and/or Tyson are not up to it![:-devil][:-eyebrows]

Mike I also chose Floquil Depo Buff as shown but think it is too dark for my purposes. Certainly looking at the reference photos of local stations it does. As an alternative I have access to what must be the same craft paints as I have heard mentioned a lot on the forum. Below are a few of what I have. Can I paint over the floquil I have used already?



As this is my first scratch build I am most happy to receive constructive criticism on any aspect please.

The two panels shown are the front facing the platform and the inner wall of the ticket area, which is accessed via the opening. This is a walk through to the other platform. A set of steps will be seen leading up to a covered walk over.

I have had a go at adding some adverts using paper lightly sanded at the back. I think the timetables are too close to the edge and will have to be moved.

Thanks for any comments...


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 02/22/2004 9:08:24 PM
Message:

Barry

Looks like you are making some fine progress.

Yeph, those paints are the ones I use. I am not sure about painting over the Floquil, however.

I would like to hear a little more about how you did the advertising signs. I will need to do some station and direction signs and am looking for some methods.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/22/2004 9:35:06 PM
Message:

Thanks Tom,

I did a search using Google's image section for the term 'railway advertising' or 'beer' etc. The first one that came us was the 'Trans Australia 1952' which was perfect for me and then after an hour of further trawling I got a reasonable selection. I include them here for your reference. If you want any let me know or just use these.

All I did was reduce the images a lot and print them out on a colour printer using standard paper and then lightly sanded the back. Then used paper glue to adhere it to the wall. Then used an eraser to press it in. Again if there are better ways to do it please let me know.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/23/2004 08:15:11 AM
Message:

I wasn't happy with the Floquil depo buff as stated so painted over it with acrylic 'Parchment' but the boards started buckling almost immediately so I weighted them all down and have let them dry this evening. They look OK again now. The floquil stank as usual but did not warp the wood unlike the water based paint.

Here they are in parchment which I think better matches the colours in my reference photos. I have removed the adverts and glazing for now.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 02/23/2004 08:52:18 AM
Message:

Hi Barry
I like the Parchment color much better.
Water based paints do cause warping much more pronounced than Floquil.
I usually add lots of bracing to the back of the siding when using this type of paint.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/23/2004 10:03:11 AM
Message:

Hi, Barry,

As you have already discovered, it is possible to paint over Floquil.

Your Folk Art Parchment appears to be very similar to the Ceramcoat Sandstone I used in my repainting last night. And I think our trim colors are very similar also. I'm using Polly Oxide Red for the trim on my station.

I wire brushed the wall sections yesterday and removed as much of the Depot Buff as I could. Then I painted all of them with Sandstone. They came out much better than I expected. The first three wall sections are actually the upper halves and peaks of the end walls and had to be cut from rectangular sheet stock, so I got that done last night. I don't have any photos to post - unless I can find a few minutes later this morning. We're making the long drive back to the city, so I may not have time to get the camera out.

That does it until I can get back here at the Lake. I won't be here next weekend, but I'm working on momma to make a trip back during the week following. [:-eyebrows] So maybe I'll have something to report later next week.




Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 02/23/2004 10:16:16 AM
Message:

Barry,
Lookin' good! Can't wait to see more!

As for me, not much accomplished over the weekend, was pretty busy with other stuff. The one thing I did try was painted shingles, the eaves of the station I'm building have shingles, I guess the prototype is wood, and they're painted the same color as the walls. Since I wasn't sure how well my usual paper shingles would take paint I thought I'd try a test, I made shingles and glued them to a piece of index card (the same stuff I was planning on using under the shingles on my station), then once the glue dried I painted it. The paint made the paper shingles and card curl up a bit, so now I know I have to brace pretty well, or maybe use something more substantial than index card behind the shingles. Hey, lesson learned, and NOT on the model!

If anyone is curious, here's now I make shingles, it's a conglomeration of methods I've found on forums and my own ideas:

1) Choose a suitable paper, I've used construction paper and brown wrapping paper. Cut a piece that's a size you can handle, 8x10 or so is about right.

2) Rough up the surface of the paper, both sides, with fairly coarse sandpaper. This makes for a little texture and also thins the paper a little. Keep all your strokes in one direction and keep track of which way you go, you want the lines of the texture to run perpendicular to the shingle strips once they're cut.

3) Cut 1/4 inch strips (for HO scale)of paper, cutting across the scratches the sandpaper made. I do this by using a 1/4x1/4 inch piece of wood as a spacer, line it up with the edge, but a steel straight edge against it, remove the wood, and cut with a SHARP Xacto knife. I use a few light passes instead of trying to cut all the way thru at once.

4) A made a simple jig from basswood that I clamp into my chopper, it's two pieces of wood that end about 1/8 inch from the end of the blade (the part nearest you). This will allow you to cut notches in the strips accurately and square (the main problem I had with sissors was keeping the notches square). I use a third piece to hold the stack of strips together and even as I....

5) stack four or five strips, line up the ends, and pass them thru your chopper cutting a notch every 1/16 inch or so (or whatever would be the right size for your shingles). I don't try to make this perfect. The bottom strip might not cut all the way thru, you can either do it again near the top or toss it.

6) After the strips are notched, twist each strip to separate the individual shingles a little, once they're down they'll be at slightly different levels.

7) Glue a strip of shingles to the bottom edge of your roof. I use white glue in a thin bead. I usually let this dry because if it gets moved it causes problems. Also, made sure it's straight. Once that strip is down, run a thin bead of glue along the seam between the shingle that's down already and the underlayer and place your next strip, overlapping the previous just like a real roof. I can't over-stress the importance of getting each strip straight. If it doesn't go down straight you may have to peel it up, trying to move it may move other strips and before you know it it looks like you hired drunken roofers. The tabs on the shingles should not be glued down, if glue oozes out you used too much. Once done I usually go thru with a pick and pull a couple up.

That's it, one of these days I'll get a picture of the finished product and post it. Hope this helps!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/23/2004 7:31:54 PM
Message:

Walls all square and true this morning so permanent warping. Just had to let it dry under weights. I think the parchment colour was worth the shock last night.

I used Floquil oxide red for the doors and windows too Mike. It seemed a good match for what I needed. I am happy with that colour choice but they need weathering and this time I will do that before trying to put the glazing in. I like the tichy windows.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/23/2004 9:15:52 PM
Message:

Barry,
I like the second color much better also. Very nice.

Mike,
Glad to hear that you have started the Challenge. I'm still with Tyson and Terry.

Mark,
Thanks for the tutorial on the shingles!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/23/2004 10:32:40 PM
Message:

This is a quick mockup of what I am trying to achieve with the ticket section. I want viewers to be able to see through the passageway when it is completed.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 02/24/2004 07:35:55 AM
Message:

Barry, that's a great detail. Nice touch.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 02/24/2004 09:01:34 AM
Message:

Barry,
Very nice.
I think that you have this art of scratch building down pat.
You are making real progress on your station and leaving some of us (me) in the dust.[:-banghead]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/24/2004 09:31:39 AM
Message:

Barry, that's an excellent idea! It's the same sort of thinking that guys like John Allen, Jim Findley, and George Sellios put into their models!

Nice touch!


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 02/24/2004 09:33:16 AM
Message:

"Mike, 2 to 1 odds that Terry and/or Tyson are not up to it!"

Make it 4 to 1 Barry and you are on!!!!!!!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/24/2004 09:46:35 AM
Message:

Barry,
What a great idea! I think it is going to look great.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/24/2004 4:34:17 PM
Message:

Thank you very much for the kind comments and encouragement gentlemen. It has been tempting to just glue the wall sections together but I have resisted as I know it will be easier to work on them prior to that.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/24/2004 5:21:24 PM
Message:

I know what you mean, Barry. I keep trying to set up my coal trestle to get a feel for how it looks. The only way that will happen is if I start gluing it. Other than that, it's like trying to make a house out of a deck of cards. So far, I have resisted.

I really like what you have done. The ticket windows are a great touch!

Chuck


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/24/2004 6:13:17 PM
Message:

Thank you Chuck,

Suggestions welcome please: I have used red blinds for the windows and some of the tichy windows are partly open and done some weathering. I intend to light the interior and put view blocks in where needed but what can I do about the open window sections? Do I place a person in front of the window looking out or sitting perhaps? My concern is being able to see the interior bracing through the open sections.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/24/2004 6:41:59 PM
Message:

Barry,

I put view blocks in all of my structures. I usually make them from styrene or cardboard and paint them black. The reason I do that is similar to the issue you raised...when lighting the structure for photos, you end up seeing an unfinished interior wall through the windows. The view block prevents this. Another thing you might consider is painting the inside of your walls black. Otherwise, light will be seen through your walls.

Chuck


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/25/2004 12:00:14 AM
Message:

Excellent Chuck, thank you. That is what I need to know.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/25/2004 11:18:32 PM
Message:

Here is the latest on the coal trestle. The bents and stringers are assembled.



Chuck


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/25/2004 11:37:46 PM
Message:

Chuck,
You have made terrific progress! The trestle looks great.[:-thumbu]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 02/25/2004 11:59:09 PM
Message:

Great job Chuck!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/26/2004 06:49:30 AM
Message:

Looking great Chuck! I like the colouring.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 02/26/2004 08:06:30 AM
Message:

Looks real good Chuck. Can't wait to see it being used.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/26/2004 10:21:04 AM
Message:

Barry, I always paint the interior walls black or dark gray of any structure that has open windows. Chuck's suggestion is excellent, and that's the way I'd do it.

Chuck, your trestle is outstanding! And that's a very nice job of rusting/weathering the N-B-W's. I really like their appearance.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 02/26/2004 10:39:45 AM
Message:

Chuck,
Very nice job on the trestle.
Too bad your work schedule interferes with your modeling schedule like it does.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 02/26/2004 6:42:58 PM
Message:

Barry , Chuck , everything is looking good so far ..lots of great ideas being thrown around .
Realistically I'm still about 2 weeks away from continuing on with the Challenge .
Hey I just thought of a good excuse ..lets see ,I want for the rest of us to be admiring your fine work with no other interference ...yeah , thats the ticket .[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2]

TERRY[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/26/2004 9:16:12 PM
Message:

I think you are just pushing the odds up Terry! Excuses, excuses! Pretty soon I will be accepting Tysons bet!

I brought some little people for the station and am trying out the Warhammer painting technique discussed in the other thread. They all have very dark tans at the moment!


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 02/26/2004 11:33:17 PM
Message:

Awsome tressel, chuck

Mike, any chance if I put this into a diarama, it could be considered for the contest? It is a branch depot made by American Model Builders.[:-angel]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/26/2004 11:57:00 PM
Message:

No problem, Elliott. All of the guidelines for the Challenge are in the opening post to this thread.

It's really not a contest. It's more of a way to publicly "challenge" yourself to improve your modeling skills and meet a deadline at the same time.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/29/2004 12:40:58 AM
Message:

A bit more progress this weekend. I have to confess to winging it a bit. Experimenting and learning as I go.

Here are a couple of mockups using lighting.

Here is a little old lady in the ticket area:


Gentleman in Sunday best:


Lights on in the waiting room:


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/29/2004 12:45:48 AM
Message:

Here is a broader view of the front wall of the station building:


Top view shoing blackened interior:


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/29/2004 01:08:20 AM
Message:

I love that tiled floor, Barry. I hope to finish up the trestle and Fenimore, this week.

Chuck


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 02/29/2004 08:58:24 AM
Message:

Looking good Barry!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/29/2004 09:18:06 AM
Message:

Barry,
I'm happy to see someone is making good progress on the Challenge. Barry, it is looking very good. I like the mockups with the lighting effects.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 02/29/2004 09:25:35 AM
Message:

Barry, that looks great. Like Chuck already said, that's a neat looking checkerboard floor.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/29/2004 10:32:30 AM
Message:

Barry, I love that tile floor. That's a great detail to include! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu] It's not something you often see in models, but it's everywhere in the real world.

I really like your lighting effects, also. I think this is going to be a "winner."

As for myself, I hope to be back at the Lake by Tuesday and back to work on my station that evening. Maybe make some progresss...


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/29/2004 3:56:34 PM
Message:

Thank you very much guys. The idea for the flooring came to me when I was pondering what to do with it. Then I remembered Dunedin Railway Station in New Zealand are very proud of their tile floor so looked for some tiles on the net. The lights are ex-loco lights that I replaced when adding a decoder. I am running these with a battery but will need to get a suitable power supply.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 02/29/2004 3:57:06 PM
Message:

Looks real good Barry.[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]
How are you doing the lighting in the ticket area of the station.
It does make for a great effect.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/29/2004 4:39:29 PM
Message:

Thanks John, I will take some photos of the lighting arrangement tonight. I am working on the roof now and will have to have it removeable so I can change light bulbs if needed.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 02/29/2004 6:10:54 PM
Message:

Great job Barry!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/29/2004 6:28:50 PM
Message:

Thank you Tom, the encouragement is wonderful.

Here I have added a station sign and you can see some early roofing. It is yet to be top coated and weathered.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/29/2004 7:16:15 PM
Message:

Well, I am almost done. It looks complete, but there is one more detail I want to add to it. I need to buy it at the hobby shop. So, until then, it's back to the Fenimore Bros kit.













Chuck


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 02/29/2004 7:28:39 PM
Message:

Chuck that looks superb.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/29/2004 8:22:56 PM
Message:

Barry,
The sign and early roof work look great.[:-thumbu]

Chuck,
The coal trestle is fantastic!!!

I don't know if you ever noticed, but the trestle at the Butler Coal Co. extends beyond the building by about 8 feet. On the end of it, there is a bumper just like yours.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 02/29/2004 8:38:03 PM
Message:

Chuck
That looks really good.
The added details like NBW's really add to the structure.

A couple of nit pics.

It needs some coal dust as this trestle looks like it is brand new.
Also would the ends of the timbers have been creosoted to protect them from the weather.
This is where a black shoe dye and alcohol mix works really well.
The shoe dye seems to give the wood the look as if it were coated with creosote.

I think you have this modeling wood kits to a point where they rival your Magnuson kits.[:-thumbu][:-star][:-thumbu]


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 02/29/2004 9:29:59 PM
Message:

John,

I do need to go back and hit the walkways and bents with black chalk. I already did that with the ties where the coal is dumped. The photos don't show it very well, but they are dark. When I lit the structure, it brightened it up. I was basing the colors on the FSM Duffy's Coal Yard. I will go back and chalk it up some more. I'm still thinking about the creosote. Thanks for the comments, John, Barry and Bruce!



Chuck


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 02/29/2004 11:32:26 PM
Message:

Great job Chuck! Looks like it is coming along well.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/01/2004 07:52:28 AM
Message:

John,

I spent some time last night chalking up the walkways and bents with black chalk. I don't have any black shoe die, buy I do have some full strength Pollyscale Railroad Tie Brown. I might hit the ends of the ties and bents with that.

Chuck


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/01/2004 08:35:41 AM
Message:

Hi Chuck
On the creosote that was more of a question than a suggestion.
I wondered if they would have added creosote to the ends of the timbers to preserve them.
If you have India Ink wash that would also work.
What I did on the first challenge project on some of the pilings was to have them in a vertical position and then use a Q tip soaked with the wash and then hold the Q tip against the end grain of the wood.
The wash would then be absorbed into the ends of the wood looking as if the piece had been dipped into creosote.
I think a wash with the Railroad Tie Brown could also work.

I think you have copied the look from Duffy's very well.



Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/01/2004 08:49:47 AM
Message:

Sheesh, John. Just when I thought I convinced myself to add the creosote, you make me question it again!

What I was afraid of is that the contrast will draw your eyes to it vs. the rest of the model. Plus, they are old, dusty timbers. So, I may leave it alone. So that is what holds me back!

Chuck


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/01/2004 09:06:40 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by wvrr

Sheesh, John. Just when I thought I convinced myself to add the creosote, you make me question it again!

What I was afraid of is that the contrast will draw your eyes to it vs. the rest of the model. Plus, they are old, dusty timbers. So, I may leave it alone. So that is what holds me back!

Chuck



Good point Chuck
Since this is only a part of what you are modeling I would wait until you have everything assembled before you do add anything since you could always add details later.


Reply author: mhdishere
Replied on: 03/01/2004 09:59:49 AM
Message:

Well, I got some work done over the weekend! I finished one wall of my station, built another, and started working on laying out the foundation/loading dock portion of the station. It's slow going, but as I do more I get better, the second wall took me about 1/4 the time the first one did.

I decided to build the freight house portion and loading docks first, then I can fit everthing else around that.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/01/2004 10:27:23 AM
Message:

We had a birthday party for my youngest last night. (She turned 30.) So I did not see the latest photos until now.

Barry, the tile floor and sign in the doorway are very distinctive! Absolute eyecatchers! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

Chuck, you did a fantastic job with your trestle. I really like the appearance of it. I'm looking forward to seeing what's next! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/02/2004 01:50:33 AM
Message:

Thank you Mike. I am happy with how the tile floor looks. I have about 3 different tile images if anyone wants them. You will tell me if you think something is not right won't you guys!

Chuck, that trestle looks great just as it is. Is the kit still available? It looks a beauty.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/02/2004 07:51:49 AM
Message:

Thanks, Barry!

Yes, I believe the Bar Mills Low Boy trestle kits are still available. The only parts I used were the bents and stringers. I discarded the Z brace and scratchbuilt my own. I also discarded the X bracing that join the bents. I didn't need those since access is needed underneath the trestle for the coal. But I also discarded the Z and X bracing due to the exposed adhesive and wood grain going the wrong way. Everything else is scratchbuilt, the deck, floor boards, railing and the 300-400 NBW's. I posted a prototype drawing, earlier in this thread, that served as my basis during construction. Are you thinking of building one similar to mine?

I really like the tile floors. I have a corner restaurant kit that this would look pretty cool in.

Chuck


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/02/2004 6:15:43 PM
Message:

Thanks Chuck, I think the trestle and the wood yard would be great. Whilst it says it is American as Apple Pie, it looks very familiar and would go nicely on my layout.

If you need any flooring file jpgs let me know.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/03/2004 8:53:26 PM
Message:

OK, Fenimore Bros Coal is now done and it's time to get to work on the challenge project. Here's what I have got done so far:



Actually that's the picture that came with the kit. It's a Micro-Scale kit. So far I hane painted the two plaster stone wall castings.



The base for the station is also plaster and I am about half way done painting it.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/03/2004 11:03:25 PM
Message:

I was about to say that is fast work Rick when I read your caption! Still good to see you are off to a good start.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/04/2004 07:41:01 AM
Message:

Pretty nice looking station, Rick. How do you like working with the plaster walls?

Chuck


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/04/2004 07:53:22 AM
Message:

Chuck, this is the second kit with plaster walls I have worked on. The other is the SWMW Diesal/Car shop. I liked worked withing it. it gets a little tedious painting each individual stone or adding different colors to individual bricks, but you can't beat the detail you get with plaster.

Sorry Barry, couldn't resist pulling everyone's leg a little.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/04/2004 11:08:12 AM
Message:

Rick, I love the looks of that kit! I'm a sucker for stone walls and foundations. And if it's wood on stone or wood with stone, so much the better!

Well, I got back to it (finally!) last night. Still no photos to post, but I did get some more of the wood sorted, labeled with part #'s, and painted. I also decided to change the trim color before it was too late. Instead of the Red Oxide I originally was going to use, I've decided on Dutch Blue trim with the Sandstone walls. Hopefully, I'll have more progress to report after tonight.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/04/2004 11:16:09 AM
Message:

I'm planning on building a diorama for the coal trestle and Fenimore's once they are both done. The diorama is not for display, but to be incorporated on my layout. So far, there is not one morsel of ground foam, foam board, or plaster on my layout. It is all benchwork. My questions are: 1) How should I go about constructing the diorama? 2) How should I build it so that it can be attached to the layout?

Here is a picture of where the diorama will go. The stub track with the three black hoppers is the track it will be attached to. The L girder runs parallel with the stub track with cross members on top of that and perpendicular to the stub track.

Thanks for any suggestions!



Chuck


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/04/2004 7:00:53 PM
Message:

Chuck , if I read your question correctly , I think you have a similar situation as I do with my ore freighter .It weighs about 15 pounds and will be docked beside the L girder on a piece of 1/2inch plywood 8inches x 6 1/2 feet , supported by metal L- brackets . It will be removeable if necessary .You didn't mention the weight of your diorama but that will certainly have a bearing .From your picture I can't see the subroadbed as to how it lines up with the L girder .You may have to fabricate some wood gussets to help support all this .

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/05/2004 10:39:18 AM
Message:

Chuck, as for the diorama, I'd probably use 1/4" foam on a plywood base. I'm assuming you want to attach the diorama to the right side of the stub track and will need to keep the diorama level with that (hence, the thin layer of foam rather than 1" or 2") while supporting the diorama base from underneath.

I'm no carpenter by any means, so I'm sure there are "prettier" ways to do it, but.... when I've added dioramas/industries in the past, I just "scabbed" new cross members to existing ones or even slid a new joist in place to support the addition. (Terry's suggestion of metal L brackets is a good one, by the way.) When doing the scenery afterward, I'd hide the seam between the existing benchwork and the new addition with Sculptamold and ground foam.

Like I said, there's probably a more "professional" way to do it, but that method seems to work for me.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/05/2004 10:41:39 AM
Message:

Thanks Terry and Mike! I'm going to study this a bit.

Chuck


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/05/2004 10:44:56 AM
Message:

Well, I don't have much progress on my station to show for this trip. Typical of Campbell's milled siding, several pieces of it started to curl yesterday before i could get them glued and braced. It was probably because of the high humidity resulting from two days of rain. Anyway, I've got all the wall pieces under weight, and they'll stay that way until I get back here sometime next week. If they haven't flattened back out by then, I'll use an iron set on low to dry them out and uncurl them. [:-bigeyes]




Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/06/2004 11:32:52 AM
Message:

Here is a better picture of the stub siding where the diorama will be placed. The right end of the hopper denotes the approximate starting point for the trestle.



Chuck


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/06/2004 3:08:34 PM
Message:

I guess if it was me , Chuck , I would replace those 1x2 risers with something sturdier if you are thinking of hanging the diorama on the side like we discussed earlier .The lower joists would have to be secure if they aren't already .I would probably box that whole area in for further strength depending on the weight of the diorama .You would have to work carefully around your wiring .
I think it is a matter of uprights ( 1x4 's ? )absorbing most of the weight instead of the roadbed because the roadbed might flex .

TERRY


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/07/2004 5:08:35 PM
Message:

Everybody's projects are coming along nicely. So nicely all of you have finally shamed me into getting something done on mine [:-bigeyes2][:-irked] . One of the problems I had was nothing was looking right. Now it is a cheap kit ($10 for a O-Scale kit) but it was more than that, after all we have watched Drew turn Modelpower and Bachmann kits into real nice models. Then it dawned on me [:-bulb] that after about 12 years of working in N-Scale any other scale "looks" wrong . Picking up where I left off the building was 12' by 12', but using a spare wall that came with the kit it is now 12' by 18'. I removed the window on this end and scratched a freight door. Not wanting to do the interior I sprayed the inside of the window glazing black.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/07/2004 5:23:57 PM
Message:

I decided to cover the window on the other end with a piece of roofing tin. The front window was 2 over 2, which I didn't like so I added some cross pieces to make it 4 over 4 which looks better but the window still looks to tall (but it is the same size is the windows in my living room[:-boggled] ), but I can live with it now. I stared at it for awhile thinking something was wrong then it sunk in, in O-Scale you need the doorknobs! [:-banghead][:-censored][:-crazy] Not having any I cut the shanks down on some N-Scale track nails, they are not glued in so I can replace em' later but I kinda like these. The next project is roof rafters or trusses, then the roof and a chimney.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/07/2004 5:41:34 PM
Message:

Tyson, it's looking good so far. I like the roofing tin over the door. Nice touch.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/07/2004 6:18:05 PM
Message:

Glad to see you have started Tyson! Looking good.

What scale weapon makes the bullet holes on the wall behind the building? Looks like a 50cal maybe. [:-skull][:-wiltel]

BTW, The link to where Mike got his extra smilies is still down! Does anyone know anywhere else to get some safely?


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/07/2004 6:46:28 PM
Message:

Tyson,
Congratulations on getting started. It looks good. Now the number of people not yet started is really dwindling--Oh, the pressure![:-banghead]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/07/2004 7:59:24 PM
Message:

Thanks guys. Barry that is a scrap piece of 1/2 inch foam board that I usually have O-scale trees stored on so those holes where made by toothpicks. Bruce if you go back to page 1 or 2 you will see I had already started, I just took a longgggggggggg er, uh, break. Yeah that's it a break!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/07/2004 9:02:12 PM
Message:




YAY! TYSON'S BACK IN THE GAME!





BTW: Barry, some of the smiley site still works.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/07/2004 11:13:22 PM
Message:

I thought I'd better set aside a couple of other things and get going on the Challenge .I'm doing Challenge 1 instead of a station because of my late entry to the Forum last year .The el cheapo Atlas 3 bay roundhouse is what I'm starting with and the following goes to the parts bin :

A lot of good styrene there .
I'll be keeping and using the following :

Quality stuff , that is .

To make the timber beams I built a simple jig and since the roundhouse will become a 5 bay , I made 4 sets of beams .



And finally I'm going to have a concrete foundation and stone walls for the 2 new walls . The window openings in the new walls will give way to angled vents .


The ' concrete and soon to be carved stone 'is made from PoP ,my first time using it and I quite like it so far .

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/07/2004 11:55:39 PM
Message:

Glad to see others making progress. Good looking projects so far.

I have been working on the water tower diorama as a brush up on things I need to do on the challenge project. Soon I will be getting back to the challenge itself. I need to buy some supplies for it and work on a few advertising signs.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/08/2004 06:58:17 AM
Message:

Terry,
Those timber beams look great. I am looking forward to see what you do with the foundation and stone walls.

Am I the last to start on the Challenge, or is there still someone else who plans to jump in?


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/08/2004 07:22:25 AM
Message:

Looks great Terry. I had better start thinking about jigs because it looks like a better way that how I have been doing things, which is just eyeballing or using a scale ruler.

Having said that I have attempted a back roof that I hopes looks like it is need of repair. For the front I will leave a part of the frame exposed with new corrigated iron sheets and some workers adding the replacement iron which I have yet to do. These photos show the framing and ceiling I have prepared so far. Not all will be visible so please forgive the lower section which I will have covered.

Again any comments would be welcome. Let me know if I am making any mistakes please.

First the back roof, which needs repair but is not meant to have a completely run-down look. I have just placed this on part of the layout for the photo. This part will need to be removeable so I can change lights if they go.



Next the front, without any corrigated iron as yet.



A closer look at the bit I will leave somewhat exposed.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/08/2004 08:02:13 AM
Message:

Terry
It looks as if you are off to a very nice start on your project.

Barry
I really like the roof and especially the rafters that you have constructed.
I would definitely leave some of the roof detail exposed so that your work can be viewed.
Do you plan to detail the interior of the station since some of it will be visible.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/08/2004 08:21:45 AM
Message:

Terry, that's a neat little jig you made. I also can't wait to see what you do with the plaster castings.

Barry, you're making great progress. Thanks for the update.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/08/2004 1:14:29 PM
Message:

Hey Barry , the building is coming along very nicely and the roof has a very unique look to it .And the central floor ..chess ,cool! P-K3 !TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/08/2004 3:01:55 PM
Message:

Wow! Terry and Barry, you guys are doing some very impressive work! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

Terry, I'm looking forward to seeing your stone walls for the roundhouse.

Bruce, I got started but that's all. I haven't made any progress on mine in a couple of weeks.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/08/2004 3:10:01 PM
Message:

I've got a question for anyone regarding cutting the PoP foundation slabs . I want to cut them in half LENGTHWISE .I don't necessarily have to cut them ..I could go to plan B and sink them into the ground leaving half above ground . But can they be scribed to break straight or cut with a razor saw without breaking ? Anyone done this ? They LOOK fragile but I'm not sure .

TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/08/2004 4:56:08 PM
Message:

Thanks guys,

John, I plan to light the interiors of the end rooms and leave the centre exposed to view.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/08/2004 6:28:42 PM
Message:

All the projects you guys are working on look great! Barry, maybe include some roof repairmen that have opened up a section of the roof.

I have a question regarding my trestle. I want to add letters to the railing, which is the last step to the project. Since there are 17 railing posts per railing, 17 letters is the maximum. I can spell out "Fenimore Brothers" or "Coal Heats Best". I really wanted it to say "Fenimore Bros Coal", but I am over by one letter (after including spaces). What do you guys think is better?

Chuck


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/08/2004 6:48:21 PM
Message:

Barry,
I like Chuck's suggestion about roof work in progress. Since the rest of the station looks so good, a roof in disrepair would be a shame.[:-cry]

Chuck,
If you are only one letter off, how about "Buy Fenimore Coal"?


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/08/2004 6:49:05 PM
Message:

Thanks for the suggestion Chuck. I will when I can find/remodel some suitable figures. Fortunately they didn't often wear helmets or have much in the way of safety barriers in the era I am modelling so I hope I can use some of the 240 figures I already have.

I am also thinking of having some guys painting the other end. Maybe show a little scene where some paint has spilled over the roof and run down on to some passengers. I will have to see if I can make it a) convincing and b) amusing on a mockup before applying it to the model.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/08/2004 6:49:36 PM
Message:

Terry it looks like you are off to a great start. Barry that station is turning into a real showpiece!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/08/2004 7:08:51 PM
Message:

Thank you very much Tyson. BTW what has happened to your signoff and website link?


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/08/2004 7:30:36 PM
Message:

Thanks for the suggestion, Bruce. Another good option!

Chuck


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/08/2004 8:51:51 PM
Message:

Terry, I would use a straight pin in a pin vise. Slowly drag the pin across the plaster using a metal ruler to keep your line straight. Work slowly and don't press too hard and you'll eventually cut through it.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/08/2004 8:54:36 PM
Message:

Barry

Looks like you are making great progress. The roofing work adds a nice touch.

Chuck

I have seen cases where they did not use spaces with upper and lower case letters. Upper case letters of course would be for the FBC.

Another suggestion how about FENIMOREBROSCOAL.

Instead of larger letter size the first letter in each word could be a different Font.

Or you double a thin letter like the "i" or the "l".


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/08/2004 9:06:33 PM
Message:

Barry one day a red X showed up where my avatar had been. Try as I might I couldn't get it to re-install so I removed it to get rid of the box with the dreaded red X in it.[:-banghead] Not too long after that my sig. disappeared [:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2][:-boggled] . BTW there was no website in my sig. as I never have had nor do I want one.
Well after weeks since my last post I'm posting two nights in a row, what the h*ll is going on anyway???? My rafters sure don't look as good as Barry's but only the ends will show when I'm done. Maybe by this weekend I can finish the planking, add a pipe for a chimney with some wire supports and tarpaper the roof. Maybe pigs can fly also! [:-crazy] [:-magnify]



P.S. Hope Barry notices I got a fresh hunk of foamboard, no bullet holes to distract the eye, although the way I model a little distraction can be a good thing. [:-paperbag]


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/08/2004 9:07:23 PM
Message:

Tom,

Thanks for the suggestion. Fenimore Bros Coal is what I wanted originally. Your idea is a good one. I was planning on buying the Bar Mills HO/O scale kit for making your own billboards. I don't know if there are different sizes of letters in the kit, or not.

But, now I have a couple very good suggestions to choose from.

Chuck


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/08/2004 10:22:53 PM
Message:

Rick , thanks I'll give that a try .Now I have someone to blame if I mess up

Tom , great minds think alike except mine is slower ...I was going tp suggest the FBC only it took until now to figure it out .[:-bigeyes]

Tyson ..on the contrary I think your rafters look good , straight and true , great angle to the roofline , very distictive IMO. It compliments the stone work perfectly .[:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/08/2004 10:24:49 PM
Message:

Tyson,

I used EZLine by Berkshire Junction http://www.berkshirejunction.com/ for the smokestack on Fenimore. I drilled holes for a couple eye bolts on the roof for the ends of the EZLine. It worked very well.

Chuck


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/08/2004 10:38:24 PM
Message:

You guys are all doing some fantastic work here! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/08/2004 10:40:54 PM
Message:

Thanks Tom.

Tyson, I was just about to say that I am glad your little people have stopped taking potshots at your building (and missing). Your roofing looks great actually. Shame to cover it up.

I might do a model of a building under construction when I get a handle on jigs or whatever they are called.

Chuck, you seem to have some good options for the naming so I will stop hurting my brain trying to think of something.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/08/2004 10:52:50 PM
Message:

Thanks for the kind words guys. Chuck I checked out that link. That EZLine is neat stuff but not in my budget right now.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/10/2004 9:13:18 PM
Message:

The walls and the base are painted and the walls have been raised.







Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/10/2004 9:21:32 PM
Message:

That's lookin' good Rick, like the mix of stone and wood!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/10/2004 9:29:11 PM
Message:

Rick , I think your window treatment really sets it off . Very distinctive .I'll be looking forward to what you are going to do with the doors leading to the platform .Looking good at this point.

TERRY


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/10/2004 9:30:55 PM
Message:

Rick,
That stonework looks terrific!


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/10/2004 9:36:47 PM
Message:

That's going to look like a neat structure when you are done! I really like the mix of textures and colors.

Chuck


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/10/2004 9:45:21 PM
Message:

Great progress Rick. I agree with what had also been said and the platform also looks good.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/11/2004 07:42:45 AM
Message:

Thanks for the nice words guys. Next step is the roof and some trim pieces. I'll post pictures later.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/11/2004 09:31:58 AM
Message:

Rick great looking structure you got going there.

Well I finally did some work on the project. After great deal of thought I decided to go with the base that came with the kit. That way I don't have to scratch build the loading docks. Also I could not come up with a foundation or base that I really liked. I also will use a cinder platfrom. In the area that this station is supposed to represent they were commonplace. Of coures I may still change my mind about the foundation.

Since I am using the kit supplied base I began painting the loading docks.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/11/2004 10:21:15 AM
Message:

Rick, I love the stonework and siding treatment! It looks great! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

I finally headed back to the lake later today, and I hope to be able to get back to my station project this evening . It seems like it's been weeks since I last was able to do anything with it. Maybe that's because it has been... [:-boggled]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/11/2004 11:08:46 AM
Message:

Very nice work, Rick! [:-thumbu]
I, too, really like the stonework, trim, & the way the stone & wood go together! Can't wait to see the roof!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/11/2004 5:53:49 PM
Message:

Rick
back a few pages in this thread you posted this picture as your model.

and then admitted that this is the photo of the completed model from the box.
Are you sure you are not cutting out the picture and gluing it to the walls to represent your work.[:-eyebrows]
Actually this is just my humorous way of saying that you are creating a very nice structure and I also look forward to more pictures.

The rest of you have also put pressure on me to get back into the Challenge project before time runs out.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/11/2004 7:15:23 PM
Message:

How much pressure do you need John?




Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/11/2004 7:38:00 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by bpate

How much pressure do you need John?






[:-thumbu][:-thumbu][:-jump][:-jump][:-jump]


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/12/2004 08:02:17 AM
Message:

Thanks Drew, Mike and John.

Hey John, sssshhhh. Keep that quite.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/13/2004 4:04:36 PM
Message:

Well here is the latest on my attempt . I'm trying to add a little "character" to the structure by getting away from the rectangle, however by the time I'm done screwing this up I may go back to it! [:-bigeyes] Nothing is glued together yet so it's still not to late to undo it. The addition is somewhere between a mock-up and going on the finished version at this point.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/13/2004 4:08:52 PM
Message:

It still lacks windows, paint and roof treatments at this point but am I going in the right direction or am I screwing things up? [:-shake]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/13/2004 5:05:42 PM
Message:

Well , Tyson , I'll be straight with you ..I think it's the wrong direction because it TAKES AWAY the character of the main structure rather than add to it IMO .You are to be commended for a bold idea ...did you see a picture that gave you the idea ? It reminds me of a clock tower which would require a larger main structure to carry the idea .I hope I haven't offended you.

TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/13/2004 5:42:00 PM
Message:

Terry, I think your honest opinion is commendable. I am sure Tyson will get over it after they release him from therapy!

Tyson, I take it by the way you phrase your question that you are not sure about it yourself. I also think it may need more of a base structure to work well. What purpose in the real world scenario do you see it performing?

I miss the bullet holes.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/13/2004 6:35:05 PM
Message:

Tyson,
If you look at the second page of the original "Prototype Photo" thread, you will find a church with an attached tower. The church itself is a simple affair with approximately the same shape and size of your station. The tower also has similar dimensions, although it "overlaps" the church less than what your tower is overlapping the station. It also serves as the entrance to the church, which gets at Barry's question of purpose. Perhaps a door and a window or two will give you the look you want?


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/13/2004 9:00:29 PM
Message:

No Terry you haven't offended me! [:-bigeyes2] Barry I'm sorry to hear you miss the bullet holes as I threw that piece of foam away [:-irked]. So I take it guys you think the whole addition should go? Maybe it would work if it was shorter? My idea was at one time in the past the railroad had big ideas and thought it might need a tower at this location so it built it onto the depot. [:-boggled][:-banghead] You think even with paint, roofing and windows it still sucks regardless of it's size?


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/13/2004 9:07:34 PM
Message:

Hi Bruce. I put the addition on the side rather than the end and made it overlap the roof that much to hopefully get away from the church look. [:-magnify] I just wasn't crazy about the rectangle and was trying break it up some. Like I said nothing was glued yet (although I will have to patch part of the roof [:-headache]) so it can be put back the way it was.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/13/2004 9:12:13 PM
Message:

So Terry didn't offend you but I did. Is that it Tyson?? [:-dopey][:-fight][:-eyebrows]

Don't give up on the idea. My first question to myself was how do people get up there? Then what is it for. As you work on it, these questions can be explained by the detail. Perhaps if it looks really run-down it will support your idea of a grand plan not realised.

I was thinking of a stairwell and integral overpass for my station but decided against it, for now at least, after checking out real stations in the area. I have not given up on the idea but need some more experience I think before trying it.

The only progress I have made on my station this week is to have dirtied up the ceiling that will be visible as it looked a bit too new. I will be away for a few weeks so will take some station passengers to paint. Apart from that I won't get any work done on the structure. Therefore I think it would be only fair if everyone else stopped work on their stations until I get back!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/13/2004 9:39:41 PM
Message:

Tyson,

I think each element on its own looks good. But the tower overwhelms the station visually. Perhaps the tower could be the apex of an "L" shaped structure, with more of the station extending toward the left from the tower (using the second photo as a reference.)

quote:
Originally posted by bpate

Therefore I think it would be only fair if everyone else stopped work on their stations until I get back!



Gads! and I just got back to work on mine! [:-grumpy]

Actually, I hit a major snag this afternoon. Typically, with most Campbell kits, the die cuts for windows and doors are very visible on the wall sections. Unfortunately, they are nearly invisible on my Quincy Station. So I spent over an hour this afternoon measuring the drawings and drawing cutting lines on the actual wall sections. [:-banghead]

I guess that's progress of some sort... [:-banghead]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/13/2004 11:29:04 PM
Message:

No Barry you didn't offend me . Yeah Mike, back to the drawing board [:-banghead].


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/13/2004 11:45:25 PM
Message:

Well SOMEBODY has to be offended before Barry goes away , right ? Lemme see , I didn't offend Tyson , but Barry didn't offend ..um ..Tyson so ......Dremel , no what were we talking about ?
I'll have to start something ...watch this ,

Hey , Barry , getting married again while your away this time ?[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2]
Stir, stir.

TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/14/2004 12:20:50 AM
Message:

That does it Terry! I'm coming after your Edmund Fitzgerald ore boat!

[:-skull][:-pirate]

I will still be checking this forum to see you guys behave yourself. [:-snorkel]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/14/2004 08:06:32 AM
Message:

I need one of those boats for patroling my goldfish pond!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/14/2004 08:24:03 AM
Message:

Barry , I've heard of 'Australian Rules ' Football , which is pretty rough and tumble , but Australian Rules Sea-Do ? [:-pirate]
Shiver me timbers , mate !

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/14/2004 10:18:20 AM
Message:

I need one of those on my Sea-Doo!!!

I'll bet those big ol' cabin cruisers would get out of my way then!! [:-devil]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/14/2004 4:55:00 PM
Message:

OK then. Now I want to see some real progress on your challenge projects while I am away. Remember I will be watching.[:-bigeyes2][:-bigeyes]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/14/2004 6:43:48 PM
Message:

I don't know Tyson...I kinda like the tower thingie...although if all you're wanting is to break up the "boxiness" of the stone structure, you could add on some type of annex...maybe a wood-sided shed, or lean-to...something with a different roof angle? Maybe that AND the tower...? I remember seeing a photo of Bob Hayden's HOn30 Carrabasset & Dead RiverRy, & he has a small stone station that bears a very strong resemblance to a church...Stations weren't always strictly utilitarian...in many instances they had lots of whimsical touches to their architecture.

OK...I am tentatively, & with much trepedation, sticking my big toe into the "Challenge" pool again...(still smarting from a rather poor showing in last year's Challenge[:-ashamed][:-brokenheart])
The problem last year was that it pulled me away from working on the layout, & it basically just became an issue of there not being enough hours in the day...[:-crazy]
Aaaanyway...at present, I actually find myself in need of a station on the layout...
Here's a photo of what I'm faced with...


The track to the left is the interchange from the Class 1, coming into the junction, while the Poor Fork RR is curving off to the right...
What I'm contemplating is some type of small station in the area between the tracks, possiblt serving both lines...It has to be kept small though...this is a small layout, & I'm trying to depict a small mountain town, & anything too large would be neither practical, nor appropriate...
I don't have any particular kit in mind at this point...I may do some shopping, or I may see what I can cobble out of the scrap box...
Soooo...wish me luck...here goes nothin'[:-boggled]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/14/2004 7:58:57 PM
Message:

Glad to see you jumping in Drew! As far as my addition it's in the trash now.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/14/2004 9:15:52 PM
Message:

This is going to be great, Drew! I'm glad you're back in! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/14/2004 9:38:34 PM
Message:

Thanks guys!
I hope I don't regret this!

I made a caerdboadr "footprint" to give sime guidelines...



And here's what I've got to work with so far...I hope this is OK...I'm basically going to try & build this out of scraps...?
Here's an inventory...
Pieces of 2 N scale stations...
Pieces of a Walthers N scale icing platform...
Pieces of a Central Valley HO stock car kit...
Pieces of a Walthers HO meat packing plant...
I may add some mopre, or subract some of these...who knows?




Well...3 1/2 months left...so off we go!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/14/2004 10:45:21 PM
Message:

Drew,
I can't wait to see what you come up with from those raw materials!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/14/2004 10:53:36 PM
Message:

Get out yer trusty Dremel , cut up those sprues and make a log cabin / station . Well , you didn't sat it had to be a GOOD idea .But it's FREE ![:-bigeyes]

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/15/2004 12:00:21 AM
Message:

Hi all
It is nice more people have started working on their Challenge project.
I am not sure about you but it is because of the pressure that Barry has applied that I have also begun to work on the project again.
My last work was back on page 7 so here is a picture of what was done at that point.



On the left will be a gas station and on the right will be an Auto and Marine Parts Supply store.
The gas station is still the cardstock mock-up but I have been working on the Supply store using parts from the Mainline and Siding kit I have.
The roofs will eventually be metal and there is still work to be done but it is nice to be back working on the project.









Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/15/2004 12:13:53 AM
Message:

Drew

Good luck with your challenge. The footprint reminds me of the footprint of the PRR station at Wawa, PA. That is where the Chester Creek Branch, the Octorairo Branch, and the West Chester Branch came together. I know I have some pictures of it. I will have to search and see if I can locate them.

John

Looks like the pressure maybe working. Things are looking like they are comin along real nice.

I too did a little work on the station. I weathered the loading docks. I also attached the building to the base. Next I need to paint the roof sections and start thinking about the base. I am also preparing my shopping list. I need track, more ballast, some styrene parts, etc.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/15/2004 12:53:56 AM
Message:

John, I am glad to see you have made such progress. I am about to board a flight to England so fully expect you to have made significant further progress but the time I touch down!

Drew, that's a good idea making the template to work to.

This thread is really hotting up lately. I will look forward to catching up with everyone's progress in a day or so. Remember there is only 15.5 weeks to go! But hey, no pressure right!!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/15/2004 06:46:54 AM
Message:

Alright, John! Great to see you back at the challenge. (This from someone who hasen't even started yet.)[:-boggled]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/15/2004 08:28:22 AM
Message:

Looking good John!


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/15/2004 08:52:25 AM
Message:

John, it's looking good so far. Keep the updates coming.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/15/2004 09:27:11 AM
Message:

John,

You are making good progress!

Chuck


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/15/2004 10:02:57 AM
Message:

Boy, you guys are putting me to shame now! Even Drew, who's just getting started, is probably ahead of me already!

I keep running into problems with my Campbell's Quincy Station. As I reported before, the die cut marks for the window and door openings on the wall sections are almost invisible, so I had to do a lot of measuring and drawing on the walls. Finally got that done, though, and got a couple of the doors and a window cut out. But then last night one of the main front wall sections literally fell apart. [:-censored]. So I spent a lot of time gluing the broken pieces back together and reinforcing them. Fortunately, the breaks were along the milled scores in the wood, so the breaks/rejoins don't show.

I believe the wood in the kit is so old that it's become "fragile." I noticed that the address on the instruction sheet says Tustin, Ca. (rather than Durango, Colo.), which would make the components in this kit probably 15-20 years old - or more! - because it's been that long since Campbell moved to Durango.

Anyway, enough griping [:-grumpy]... but I don't seem to be making much progress with this. And now any further work will have to wait until next weekend.




Reply author: terry hansley
Replied on: 03/15/2004 12:00:49 PM
Message:

Mike,& All

I`m finally getting some progress on my Skull Valley Station. I am haveing the same problem with the wood as Mike[:-banghead]

The stuff is just so old[:-bigmouth]

I am useing a Vellum paper as a backing sheet for the walls. This is a new construction method for me. I bought the paper at JoAnn Fabrics in the scrap booking department. I`ll let you know how it works out.

Terry H


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/15/2004 12:37:01 PM
Message:

Tyson,

Here is another thought. Instead of a square tower, why not a round one with a "witches hat" like in the following photo I found on the internet.




Chuck


Reply author: cooldavion
Replied on: 03/15/2004 1:40:54 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Tyson Rayles

Maybe it would work if it was shorter? My idea was at one time in the past the railroad had big ideas and thought it might need a tower at this location so it built it onto the depot.


Tyson,
if you are looking for a grand plan that went bad, how about just modeling a foundation for a addition ?
You would change the footprint of the building, without having to justify the tower. It could be explained that the RR ran out of mony, changes in management structure, new management did not see need for the station addition(s)[:-splat][:-yuck][:-skull].

Just a thought.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/15/2004 1:58:54 PM
Message:

Chuck thanks but I think everybody is right, the footprint is to small to support an addition. Dave I'll give that some thought, I had thought about one foundation with two buildings on it, this depot and maybe a freight shed. Or maybe I could go fishing! LOL


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/15/2004 2:53:05 PM
Message:

There is actually a Thomas Yorke kit that I have in mind. It is a very small structure with a round tower. What you were trying to do reminded me of it. I wish I had a picture of the kit, though. I have them at home.

Chuck


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/15/2004 4:46:06 PM
Message:

You could have made the tower a clock tower. There is a little structure on PA 41 at PA 741 in Gap, PA know as the Clock Tower. It is a small building with a big out of place clock tower.

(I know I am coming into this late, but sometimes it takes a while for my brain to engage.)


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/15/2004 4:56:49 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by terry hansley

Mike,& All

I`m finally getting some progress on my Skull Valley Station. I am haveing the same problem with the wood as Mike[:-banghead]

The stuff is just so old[:-bigmouth]

I am useing a Vellum paper as a backing sheet for the walls. This is a new construction method for me. I bought the paper at JoAnn Fabrics in the scrap booking department. I`ll let you know how it works out.

Terry H



Terry, I used regular tracing paper for reinfocrement last night after gluing the wall piece back together. The wood seemed more stable this morning when I picked it up.

The instructions for Quincy Station say to glue tracing paper or onion skin to the back of each wall as reinforcement while the sections are being edge glued together. But I'm not even close to that point yet, thanks to all the problems I've been having with the individual pieces of wood. [:-banghead] I'm just wondering how many more will break before I get a single wall erected. [:-grumpy]



Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/15/2004 4:58:40 PM
Message:

Tyson,

I found a picture of the Thomas Yorke Rubble station.



Chuck


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 03/15/2004 5:50:36 PM
Message:

Chuck:

That is either the New Hope Pa or Wycombn Pa station on the New Hope & Ivyland RR.

Karl s


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/15/2004 5:57:17 PM
Message:

Karl,

The prototype photo I posted on the previous page of this thread is the New Hope station. I have pictures of it at home, but since I'm not there, I picked this one off a website I found.

Chuck


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/15/2004 8:14:03 PM
Message:

Chuck that is a neat little building but it does look funny (I like it though!). Too ornate for anything around here but cool anyway.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/15/2004 10:19:57 PM
Message:

Here are some progress photos of my station. Not that I progressed much since the last set of photos. I painted the loading docks and weathered them. I also attached the building to the base. I will paint the base an earth color. In the final product the base will be covered by cinders and ground cover.

Now I need to paint the roof and get it attached to the structure. Also I am begining to look at the foam base and how I want things set up.







Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/15/2004 10:28:40 PM
Message:

Wow John! That is shaping up to be one super looking model! [:-thumbu]

quote:
Originally posted by TomPM

Drew

Good luck with your challenge. The footprint reminds me of the footprint of the PRR station at Wawa, PA. That is where the Chester Creek Branch, the Octorairo Branch, and the West Chester Branch came together. I know I have some pictures of it. I will have to search and see if I can locate them....


Thanks Tom!
I'm definitely gonna need some luck![:-boggled]
My station will actually be a lot smaller than the "footprint"...that just allows me to have a reference to the available space there at the workbench...
So far, I've used a roof from an Atlas station, & some legs from a Wathers icing platform, top make a little cover for a passenger platform...


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/15/2004 10:31:55 PM
Message:

I'm still picking away at my Challenge roundhouse to keep the momentum going seeing as how I'm disgusted with my rock facings for the time being on my backdrop .
I have cut away the fake foundation and will be replacing it with PoP castings that are rough cut for now but will be trimmed and bevelled for a perfect fit .
The two cast outside walls will become stone , I think with the new foundation being ' poured concrete ' or ' cement block ' ...haven't decided .





The brickwork will be treated with one of the various methods we have discussed recently . I also may go with my own brick treatment ...depends on a few experiments with DPM scrap walls I have .

TERRY


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/15/2004 10:36:50 PM
Message:

We're rolling now guys ...lets keep it going . Everybody is throwing around some interesting ideas !

[:-thumbu][:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/16/2004 07:50:08 AM
Message:

Tom, I like the worn look you done on your steps and loading dock. Looks great.

Drew, your rolling now. I'm always impressed with your ability to take scrap parts and make a great looking model out of it. Nice work.

Terry, what method did you end up using to cut your plaster foundations?


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/16/2004 07:57:33 AM
Message:

Sorry I missed your post last night Tom...
The station looks great! [:-thumbu]
Terry,
Can't wait to see what you do with the roundhouse kit!


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/16/2004 08:13:34 AM
Message:

Its great to see all of these projects going on! They all look great.

Chuck


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/16/2004 09:19:44 AM
Message:

Rick , I started using the method you suggested and everything went OK until about half way through , and then the first one broke .
The castings are very fragile but cost pennies to make so I tried another way . I used a piece of pink foam underneath to cushion the casting as I was cutting . I started with the scribing method but switched to an xacto saw , hardly pressing down .I kept vaccuuming all the resulting PoP dust quite often .Working slowly I managed to do the two long ones ( over a foot ) without breakage . When sanding the castings , I put them on a full sheet of sandpaper and move them back and forth letting their own weight do the abrasion .
I think they'll look OK once I get them trimmed .

TERRY


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/16/2004 6:17:38 PM
Message:

Yikes, am I getting left in the dust![:-boggled] You are all making great progress! How about you start watching some TV or get engrossed in a good book? Now, if I get started by the beginning of April, I should be fine, right? Right, guys?[:-cry][:-crazy]


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/16/2004 7:42:46 PM
Message:

Terry, well at least it half worked. Glad to hear you figured out how to finish the job.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/16/2004 8:37:52 PM
Message:

Hi evrybody!
Well, I've prined the pieces of the passenger platform...mitght get them painted tonight...?
I worked on making some walls for the station building, & in my typical fashion, completely botched one of them![:-banghead]
I'm digging around for doors & windows, & am still not at all sure this one's going to work![:-crazy]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/16/2004 9:30:05 PM
Message:

Rick , the scribing method you suggested worked fine , I think it was just the concentration of weight on the pin point that caused the casting to break at some point . The saw blade , I guess , spreads the pressure out a little more evenly . When I scribe the stone walls I'll go back to the pin and pin vise . Any idea should this be done with the PoP dry , or dampened ?

TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/17/2004 04:47:52 AM
Message:

Nice to see the progress being made whilst I have been travelling.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/18/2004 08:34:36 AM
Message:

I'm trying to get a feel for how everything will line up .I've trimmed the PoP castings for a rough fit of the foundation .The floor will be cement with work pits under the tracks .Think I'll go for a one piece lift off roof to show interior detail .





I won't be having track ties inside the roundhouse , I'm just using scrap track for measurments at this point

TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/18/2004 08:50:04 AM
Message:

That's going to look great Terry.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/18/2004 09:43:38 AM
Message:

Looking good Terry. Can't wait to see more.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/18/2004 09:45:55 AM
Message:

Terry, this is really impressive! I'm looking forward to seeing more progress photos. [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/18/2004 2:10:25 PM
Message:

quote:
The floor will be cement with work pits under the tracks .Think I'll go for a one piece lift off roof to show interior detail .



Terry, I can't wait to see the next progress photos. Will you scratchbuild the work pits, or use the ones that Peco makes? I have used them for outdoor pits, and they look good. Also, Scale Structures, Ltd. makes a "Roundhouse Interior" detailing set #650-7204.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/18/2004 2:24:05 PM
Message:

Bruce , since I have spent a bunch of money on the hobby lately , I'm going to follow Drew's lead and do this one cheap , using a lot of scratchbuilt and parts bin stuff . I'm going to shoot for $25 max . The roundhouse kit cost a bit more than that on it's own but since I'm only using about 1/3 of it ( the remainder will be used somewhere else ) in my pretzel logic mind , I've EFFECTIVELY used about $10 worth .You get the picture . I don't need to buy anything else as I have all the raw materials I need ....I think [:-bigeyes]

TERRY


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/18/2004 2:24:45 PM
Message:

Looking good Terry!


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/18/2004 5:10:46 PM
Message:

The roundhouse is looking GREAT Terry! [:-thumbu]

Whew! As far as my station goes, it's all coming back to me now, as to why this is called a "CHALLENGE"![:-bigeyes2][:-boggled][:-crazy][:-banghead]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/18/2004 7:22:31 PM
Message:

Here's a very small update...I've decided to use the floor from an HO boxcar to serve as a wooden passenger platform...evrything is primed flat black...I still haven't gotten any painting done...

After some major brainstorming, & a lot of [:-banghead], I've come up with an idea for the station building itself...I'm taking a new approach on this one...I'm building from the roof down...more later...


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/18/2004 9:15:23 PM
Message:

Looking good Drew. Some nice ideas going on there!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/18/2004 9:48:46 PM
Message:

quote:
I'm taking a new approach on this one...I'm building from the roof down...more later...



Ok, Drew, what is going on in that creative mind of yours?


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/19/2004 07:20:25 AM
Message:

Well, I'm not sure how "creative" this is, but yesterday, I was digging through the scrap box, & I found this little roof...On almost all of my kitbashes, I use kit walls, but scratchbuild my own roofs...Well, this time, I decided to use this roof, & scratchbuild walls for it!




I got an idea the other night looking at prototype photos, about the configuration of the building...So I'm going to have to do some chopping on the loading platform roof (shown on the previous page) to make it work...Wish me luck! [:-crazy]
More on this later...


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/19/2004 07:37:49 AM
Message:

It becomes clearer...
Good luck Drew, not that you need it mate!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/20/2004 09:01:38 AM
Message:

Hey , Drew , I found an idea for the roof you had on a previous page

You could do the ( moving ) station Challenge and ON30 all in one shot ...save $$$$ . ( This is one of those ' I'm only on my first coffee ' ideas )

TERRY [:-bigeyes2]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/20/2004 09:20:41 AM
Message:

Drew, that's a neat idea. I'm looking forward to seeing what you can come up with. [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/20/2004 09:35:16 AM
Message:

Drew, great idea! Good luck with the platform "adjustments".


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/20/2004 6:05:58 PM
Message:

Wow!
Whatever I may do, it'll never look as good as that Climax of Terry's!
That's great Terry!


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/21/2004 12:19:39 PM
Message:

I added "Buy Fenimore Coal" to the coal trestle using Bar Mills large "make your own sign" letters:



Chuck


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/21/2004 12:45:03 PM
Message:

Chuck,
The coal dock is really looking good![:-thumbu]

Well, I don't have too much more to report...
Here's part of the main station building...still hven't glued or painted anything...I found some windows & doors that I think will work, & I sawed this little bay window off an old DPM kit...
I've got a plan in my head for two more additions to this structure, plus the loading platform...


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/21/2004 12:56:13 PM
Message:

Things are shaping up, guys! [:-thumbu] Looking good! [:-thumbu]

I had a couple more wood pieces fall apart but they're glued back together [:-banghead] now, and I actually have two wall sections completed and am ready to start the third. When I get enough of them ready, I'll take a photo and post it. Progress is very slow at this point, however.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/21/2004 11:37:45 PM
Message:

Chuck,
Your trestle and sign look great![:-thumbu]

Drew,
I can't wait to see the additions that you have planned.

Mike,
Your experience with the Campbell station has helped me make up my mind. I will leave mine on the shelf for another time and choose a different kit for the Challenge Project.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/21/2004 11:55:18 PM
Message:

Chuck

The coal trestle looks great. The lettering came out well!

Drew

Looks like you are making real headway!

Now if I can only get something done. Working on the water tower diorama has done what I wanted. I have regained my interest in doing scenery again. I had not done any in over ayear and quite honestly had lost interest in doing any after I decided to tear down the old layout. Since I have not be able to get the lumber for building the module frame I kept putting things off. Now once again I am back at it and having fun. I have a bunch of ideas for the passenger station and its base. Hopefully within a week or so I start laying them out. I have picked out some foam that I will start the base with. I need to buy some more track but I do have enough roadbed to get started.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/22/2004 07:44:27 AM
Message:

Drew,

I like the bay window for your project. Looks like you are making good progress.

Chuck


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/22/2004 08:17:46 AM
Message:

I'm having a bit of a dilema now...
I've been looking at lots of photos of rural KY train stations from the early 20th century...
They range from timber shacks to Class1-type stations, with standardized construction/color schemes, etc...
My original thought was to give the structure more of a hodge-podge kind of look...kind of a throw-together affair, with various additions made from various materials...after all, the Poor Fork RR was built by a mining company, & they would've built a structure pretty much the way I'm doing it...with whatever materials they had available...
So do I want to continue this line of thinking, or do I want to go for more of the "standard", more uniform station look?
If anybody wants to weigh in on this, I'd appreciate the input.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/22/2004 08:20:30 AM
Message:

Drew, good start. Nice job on the bay window.

Chuck, trestle and sign look great. I'm waiting to see how you will incorporate the trestle with Fenimore Coal.

Mike, sorry to hear about the troubles you are having. This is one of the reasons I have shied away from the Campbell kits. It’s a shame because I think they are reasonably priced and have some interesting kits that would fit in with what I am doing.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/22/2004 09:26:38 AM
Message:

Glad to see that everyone is making fine progress on their project.
I think I need another bit of motivation from Barry to get me jump started again.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/22/2004 09:41:12 AM
Message:

Mike , I'm surprised at the trouble you are having with the walls of that Campbells kit ...wonder if it could be an inferior one? I've built 2 Quincy Stations and both were the same quality but that was several years ago .Would a pleasant complaint to the good folks at Campbell's be the next step?

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/22/2004 09:52:52 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by teejay

Mike , I'm surprised at the trouble you are having with the walls of that Campbells kit ...wonder if it could be an inferior one? I've built 2 Quincy Stations and both were the same quality but that was several years ago .Would a pleasant complaint to the good folks at Campbell's be the next step?

TERRY



I don't know what the answer is, Terry. I think some of the wood in "Bag A" may have been defective and the very first construction sequences happened to call for those very pieces. Once I got past the problems with the Front Wall pieces, everything was OK. In fact I made pretty good progress yesterday and got all but one of the remaining walls assembled. The only glitch I ran into yesterday was another section where there were supposed to be die-cut marks for a pair of windows. But the marks were missing, so I had to do some measuring and drawing again. But it wasn't a big deal. I got the window openings cut out and moved on.

Anyway, I now have 8 of the 9 walls completed. I'm taking them home with me so I can photograph them for posting this week.

It's small progress but progress nonetheless.




Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/22/2004 1:53:56 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

Glad to see that everyone is making fine progress on their project.
I think I need another bit of motivation from Barry to get me jump started again.



Likewise I am glad to follow the progress of everyone. I have been able to paint a few characters for the station while away and hope to have a concerted effort on the station proper on my return in a couple of weeks.
As requested, here is a jump start for John!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/22/2004 3:09:19 PM
Message:


Thanks Barry
That's just what I needed.[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/22/2004 3:18:02 PM
Message:

John , I think that's a picture of good ol' Barry demonstrating to us and the rest of the world that cordless throttles have NOT made it down under yet .....but they're working on it .
Nice lab coat , Bar !


TERRY


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/23/2004 07:41:42 AM
Message:

Hi guys!
I've decided to use some scrap box stuff to make an addition to the station...this is part of a cattle loading rampfrom a Walthers HO meat packing plant...



I used it to make some walls for sort of a freight shed-type addition to the station...I cut this wall a little short, but I think I can come up with something to hide the gap...


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/23/2004 10:32:43 AM
Message:

Drew, this is looking good already. I can see the creative juices are starting to flow again. [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/23/2004 1:23:20 PM
Message:

Drew,

I am enjoying watching this scratchbuilding project come together! Do you have styrene windows to fit in those openings, or are you building them from scratch?


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/23/2004 2:26:50 PM
Message:

Veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy interesting Drew!


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 03/23/2004 8:16:12 PM
Message:

After seeing what you guys have been doing, those diorama's by the Mike's and Barry's mad scientist with the cattle prods, I've got a severe case of scratchbuild fever.

So I guess I'm up to a challenge. No station, just a picture in my mind and some supplies.



It's going to be a small barrel manufacturing place called Whybrew Barrel Works. It'll be set into a small hill with wood going in the top end and barrels coming out the bottom. (at least that's what my mind see's)

Progress pics along the way.




Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/23/2004 8:18:56 PM
Message:

Ken, this sounds exciting! I'm glad you're jumping into the game with a scratchbuilding project.[:-thumbu]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/23/2004 9:48:39 PM
Message:

Thanks for the nice words & encouragement, guys!
These projects always take me down some crazy paths! [:-crazy] Itry something, either mess it up, or don't like it, & then get a totaly new idea from that...in other words, there's a couple of things I really hate about this project so far, & I'bve gotten some completely new [:-bulb] in the process, & consequently, I have NO IDEA what this thing is gonna turn out to be! [:-boggled][:-crazy]
Soooo, I've got a couple of hours till my bed time...I think I'll fix me a little bourbon, put some Brahms on the stereo, & see what happens to this train station!
I love this hobby! [:-jump]

quote:
Originally posted by Dutchman

Drew,

I am enjoying watching this scratchbuilding project come together! Do you have styrene windows to fit in those openings, or are you building them from scratch?



Hi Bruce!
Yeah, I've got a bunch of windows from the scrapbox, & I cut the openings to fit them...

Scratchbuild N scale windows?! [:-bigeyes2]
C'mon, Bruce...regardless of what my wife may have told you, I'm not completely crazy! [:-crazy][:-spin]


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 03/23/2004 10:02:14 PM
Message:

Thanks for the welcome Mike[:-thumbu]

Cut out some cardstock and placed the windows and doors. The building will be wood sitting on a stone foundation.

Here is what I have so far.



quote:
...I think I'll fix me a little bourbon, put some Brahms on the stereo, & see what happens to this train station!



Drew, I have some Cheap Trick playing but I never drink while scratchbuilding...everything comes out crooked otherwise.[:-bigeyes]


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/23/2004 11:42:49 PM
Message:

Ken,
This sounds like a great scratchbuilding project--and a perfect candidate for the "wood over styrene" technique.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/23/2004 11:50:46 PM
Message:

Bourbon, Brahms, and Baldwin (Locomotive Works, not Pianos)![:-thumbu][:-thumbu]
I love this hobby, too! But maybe I should trade the bourbon for a glass of cabernet or Norton. [:-drunk]

Ken's off to a flying start. Must be the Cheap Trick thumpin' away in the background [:-thumbu]




Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/24/2004 07:28:49 AM
Message:

Rick Nielsen will do that to ya .Work it , Ken !

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/24/2004 08:02:31 AM
Message:

Looks like everyone else is making progress. I better get my butt in gear now.

Well I did do something. I moved the foam that will be the base to the table I use for glueing.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/24/2004 5:36:16 PM
Message:

Well, the kit roof stinks![:-grumpy][:-headache]
I'm gettin' rid of it, & makin' my own!
I'll use it as a template, but then it's outa here!
Igot the freight shed addition primed & glued on...



I'd like to try something new as far as a roof...I've got some ideas, so we'll see...


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/24/2004 5:52:35 PM
Message:

Drew,
But you promised "I'm taking a new approach on this one...I'm building from the roof down...more later..." I was picturing a big crane, or maybe even a helicopter holding that roof up while the carpenters quickly built the walls up under it. Come on, Drew, you promised... Ok, enough whining. Any good plan has to be flexible...go for it!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/24/2004 6:48:42 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Dutchman

I was picturing a big crane, or maybe even a helicopter holding that roof up while the carpenters quickly built the walls up under it.




It's looking good, Drew!

BTW: how was the bourbon and Brahms?


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/24/2004 8:51:57 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Dutchman

Drew,
But you promised "I'm taking a new approach on this one...I'm building from the roof down...more later..." I was picturing a big crane, or maybe even a helicopter holding that roof up while the carpenters quickly built the walls up under it. Come on, Drew, you promised... Ok, enough whining. Any good plan has to be flexible...go for it!


I knew I forgot something!
I forgot the $#@! CRANE!![:-boggled][:-crazy]
Sorry Bruce...Actually that is what I did...the roofs that I used were what gave me the idea for the building itself...That said, I never those plastic kit roofs because they always seem to have kind of a big, "clunky" look to them. Plus, I tend to lean more toward a rural southern look, which means tin, or tar paper roofs. So there was just no way I could live with those roofs!


quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

....BTW: how was the bourbon and Brahms?




Mike, my friend...those are just two of the things (model railroading being one more) that I consider keys to contentment! [:-eyebrows]


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/24/2004 9:54:33 PM
Message:

Terry,
I am responding here to a comment you posted in the Gallery after my last roundhouse picture. I guess that some pits were not the entire length of the building. Here is a picture of the Peco pit. It comes in sections, so you can make it long or short. Notice the drains and the metal plates so workers can cross the pit.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/25/2004 07:09:33 AM
Message:

Thanks Bruce that gives me a better idea .I hadn't thought of the drains ...think I can make them without hurting what I have ....maybe just go with one in the shorter pit as I'm not going to tear up the pit at this stage just to make it longer .

TERRY


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/25/2004 7:59:25 PM
Message:

Well, with Fenimore Bros. and my scratchbuilt yard storage building off my bench, it is time to jump in the Challenge. I have decided to use Bar Mills' "Whistlestop Junction" as the basis of the project.



I have opened the package, and will get familiar with the parts and read the instructions tonight. Then I should be able to make some visible progress this weekend.[:-jump2]


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 03/25/2004 8:53:50 PM
Message:

After laying out the windows and doors on the cardstock, I cut them out using a blade. I then layed the cardstock on the clapboard siding and traced the outline of each wall. After these were cut, I glued the cardstock to the back of the siding using some Elmers glue. I do this for added support for the wood and the ease of just cutting the windows/doors out.

After a little sanding, I cut the windows and doors out and fit them. I decided to use 4 pane windows since I had a bunch laying around and will scratchbuild the doors.



I need to add some bracing to the walls before I give them a wash and paint. Not sure what color yet. Also have not decided on roofing material yet.


The plaster castings I have need to be squared up. There is not a straight side on 'em. Wondering if anyone has any suggestions for doing so. I was thinking of using the table saw but I don't know if the castings or my fingers would survive.[:-bigeyes]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/25/2004 9:56:06 PM
Message:

This looks really nice Ken!
I'm always amazed at what you guys can do with wood & plaster!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/25/2004 10:39:56 PM
Message:

Geez , Ken , that is really shaping up in a hurry . I think you're on to something here .Regarding the plaster castings , I was faced with the same problem and opted to slightly hang the edges over the work table and true them up with a medium sanding block . With PoP castings this worked very quickly , as sanding takes off a lot of material . Go slowly and you won't hurt anything .Use a square to hold them true if need be , while you are sanding them . It doesn't take much !

TERRY


Reply author: mnguy
Replied on: 03/26/2004 12:06:41 AM
Message:

Bruce,
You'll really like Whistlestop. Its a great kit, and looks pretty darn nice.
Bill


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/26/2004 09:52:50 AM
Message:

Bruce, I really like the overall appearance of the Bar Mills kit. It's a nice looking station.

Ken, how large are the castings? Could you true them up with a sanding block or something like NWSL's "True Sander?"

I didn't get the photos taken of my station walls this week. I had planned to but shopping for a new car kind of got in the way of model RR'ing this week. I'll try to snap a photo or two over the weekend.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 03/27/2004 12:31:46 AM
Message:

I took the castings into work today and used the 24" disk sander located in the prototype lab to true them up. Talk about quick material removal...[:-bigeyes]

So tonight I made the mistake of listening to some Ozzy while doing a little modeling...I think I need to change the name to Charlie Brown's Barrel Works



Tomorrow night it's Alice Cooper while I paint the trim and windows green...


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/27/2004 12:40:47 AM
Message:

Looking pretty good so far , Ken , and from where I sit it appears that you did a good job with the big disc sander .
Maybe try a little Zepplin and cognac ...works for me anyhow ,especially with the Fitz project .My wife being a C & W fan wasn't amused but you can't please 'em all . [:-bigeyes]

TERRY


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/27/2004 07:33:38 AM
Message:

Hmmm...it might be interesting to start a thread about what we listen to while build models! [:-idea]
Ken,
Wow! You're really making some great progress on your project! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/27/2004 08:05:18 AM
Message:

Ken,
It looks like the edges are straight and the joints are at 90 degrees. Can't ask for more.

Drew,
Of late, I have been listening to a little bluegrass music, including a CD of railroad songs that someone gave me.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/27/2004 09:17:17 AM
Message:

Ken, the walls look good to me. Ozzy must have had a good influence on you.

I need to get the grass mowed, but with all the rain that's not going to be possible. Darn! I guess I'll have to stay inside and work on my station this weekend. [:-eyebrows]

A couple of weeks ago, when I was working on the Majestic Hardware diorama, I listened to the Ventures ("Walk, Don't Run," "Honky Tonk," "Hawaii Five-O," etc.) almost non-stop. I was a big Ventures fan when I was a kid (love that guitar music!), so I've been collecting all of their stuff on CD's. Most of the reissues are Japanese and British imports, but that's OK.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/28/2004 2:13:52 PM
Message:

Here are two photos of the walls for my Campbell's Quincy Station. I still have a couple to assemble, but at least I'm this far along. The windows/door are just in place for the photo.

I still have a long, long way to go on this model.[:-bigeyes]






Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/28/2004 3:38:10 PM
Message:

Mike,
The walls are looking good. I am paying extra good attention to your tips, since I have this kit on the shelf.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/29/2004 3:24:49 PM
Message:

I didn't have time to take any photos before I left the lake house this morning, but I did make some additional progress last evening. I got all of the wall assemblies finished and all of the corner trim posts added and cut to length/angle. Also, I started staining and painting the wood which will be used to trim the front and back freight doors.

For those who are not familiar with Quncy Station, here's a photo from the kit.



Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 03/29/2004 4:56:09 PM
Message:

After seeing was Ozzie did the night before, I put on some Loreena McKennitt and got out the A&I to tone things down. After that was done, I liberally sprayed on some dulcoat so now the building is more of a burnt orange.

I also decided against green trim and settled for raw umber. (I now belong to the dislike windows club)



When I took the castings into work to sand down, one of the guys downstairs came over and asked what I was doing. After we talked for awhile he offered to make a mold off of the casting. This is what the first take off turned out like.



The material is used to form the seal around vacuum molds which we use for production. It is very flexible, darn near indestructable but very expensive. Now that we know it'll work, another mold is being made this week.

Mike, I like your color combination[:-thumbu]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/29/2004 6:51:36 PM
Message:

Mike & Ken,
Fantastic looking models, guys! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 03/30/2004 08:04:23 AM
Message:

Gee everybody's projects are coming along nicely! Now if I can get off my a** and get something done on mine!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/30/2004 09:08:36 AM
Message:

Looks like everyone is making great progress (except me). Now that the water tower is almost done I will be spending more time on the challenge. The water tower diorama has been a great diversion or sorts. It has helped get me recharged as far as doing scenery. I had stopped because I could not do anything with the layout now. Doing the water tower has shown me that I can do a diorama that will eventually be added to the layout when I can again work on it.

I am putting together an order for some things I need for both the water tower and the challenge so that should get me going. I also need to hit the LHS and get some track.

First up will be painting the roof sections and then attaching them. I would still like to find or make some signs for the walls of the station. Need to spend some time on the Internet looking. I know that there was a topic here on RRF about signs. Does anyone have the url handy? (Whenever I search I either get nothing or an overwhelming amount of information)


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 03/30/2004 10:08:40 AM
Message:

Tom,

The sign making thread is in the archives at:

http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4824

Chuck


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/30/2004 11:18:53 AM
Message:

Thanks Chuck! I made a print out of it.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 03/30/2004 7:51:55 PM
Message:

Made a little more progress tonight. The windows/shades have been installed along with the cardstock for the roof. Have not decided on which roofing material I will use yet.

Next I need to install the corner posts and build a couple of doors. Then it's on to the foundation.









The one end wall looks a little bare right now but will be filled with a large sign.




The music of choice tonight is Donny and Marie...





...just kidding...James Gang Live.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/30/2004 8:23:12 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Marken



The music of choice tonight is Donny and Marie...






Oh you wild man, you!

quote:


...just kidding...James Gang Live.



Ok, now that's more like it.... some early Joe Walsh....

BTW: the model's looking really good, Ken.



Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/30/2004 9:26:44 PM
Message:

Donnie , Marie , and the James Gang Live ...wouldn't that be a ..........
looking good so far Ken , can't believe how tidy your work area is compared to mine . Thats why I don't take too many ' in progress shots ', since it takes an hour to clean up the mess beforehand .

TERRY


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 03/30/2004 10:15:38 PM
Message:

Thanks guys...

D&M perform Walk Away for your listening pleasure...

Terry, thats just about 1 square foot of space you see...the rest isn't pretty.[:-bigeyes]


OK, did my first plaster casting tonight for the foundation. Would appreciate your opinion and any tips you wish to share.



I was thinking another A&I wash. Seems like a little too much gray. Should I dullcoat first?


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 03/30/2004 10:50:22 PM
Message:

Ken , that looks pretty good to me as it is in the picture .I didn't see if you made and scribed your own castings or not . I made some PoP castings for my roundhouse foundation and made several extras for experimentation with colour .Do you have any extras to be able to do a comparison ? If not , you'd hate to darken what you have , only to find that you feel they are TOO dark .If thats the situation I'd leave it for now until you get a feel for it over the next couple of days , IMO .

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/30/2004 11:46:53 PM
Message:

Well here is an update on my challenge project with a few photos. Not much has progressed in a while. In searching the workbench for something else I came across a few things. One was a pack of WS tree apertures and the other was a box of WS Fine Foliage. (Mike is fine foliage the type you used to make vines?) The bottom line is now I have enough tress for the project. I am hoping tomorrow I can get over to the LHS and pick up some track. Once I have the track I can begin the diorama base. (I think)

Well here are the photos. (Yes I know the building looks very similar to the last set I posted)





Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/31/2004 01:21:10 AM
Message:

Ken & Tom, nice progress on the projects. I began painting the walls on Monday, but won't get much more done until Friday evening.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/31/2004 05:32:03 AM
Message:

I will be back on the weekend and can get back into the station.

Bagley may need another kick start. He has been a bit slack of late.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 03/31/2004 07:49:20 AM
Message:

Ken, I wouldn't use any A&I. I think it would make it too dark. If you want to tone done the gray a bit you might try a thin wash of the same color you used to paint the stones.

Barry, if John has been a bit slack lately, he's not the only one. I haven't progressed much on my project in the last two weeks either. Unless something unexpected happens tonight, I have an hour or two of modeling time penciled in for tonight.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/31/2004 08:04:02 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by LocoRick

Barry, if John has been a bit slack lately, he's not the only one. I haven't progressed much on my project in the last two weeks either. Unless something unexpected happens tonight, I have an hour or two of modeling time penciled in for tonight.

That's more than I have done Rick. I have painted some passengers and that's about it.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/31/2004 08:56:26 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by bpate

I will be back on the weekend and can get back into the station.

Bagley may need another kick start. He has been a bit slack of late.


Hi all
Well so that I will not upset Barry and have him bring back the mad scientist I have begun work on the Challenge project again.[:-bigeyes][:-bigmouth]
Last night I finished cutting the walls for the Gas Station.
Door and window openings have been added as well as nail holes and the base coat of paint has been applied.
I am using the 1-Kit by Bar Mills that I bought at the Springfield Train Show.
I now must decide on the color for the walls and trim and then I can assemble things and maybe post a picture or two.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/31/2004 09:00:24 AM
Message:

Ken & Tom,
Great work guys!
These structures are looking really nice! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 03/31/2004 09:19:10 AM
Message:

Good on you John!!!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 03/31/2004 09:43:04 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Marken


I was thinking another A&I wash. Seems like a little too much gray. Should I dullcoat first?




Ken, if you use Dullcote first, the black alcohol will react with the Dullcote and turn it a gray-white. And the reaction may not be uniform across the casting, so that you'd have a mottled appearance.

If you do try it, I would advise using a very fine round brush (#10/0 or smaller) and just touch the tip of it to the mortar lines. Let the alcohol mix flow into the mortar lines via capillary action and react with the Dullcote only in those areas. I've done this before, and it looks good when finished. But it's very time consuming and perfect results are never guaranteed.

I'm glad to see this thread finally heating up again! [:-thumbu]
As for myself, I'm still on the weekend schedule for construction, but I may have to change that after I finish my RRC diorama. Otherwise, I may not have my station finished by June.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 03/31/2004 11:41:09 AM
Message:

Well, A tiny bit of progress to report...I've done some painting, & added some doors & windows...




Musical & "spiritual" selections were Joseph Hyden's Violin Concerto #3, & a bottle of Bojalais...

quote:
Originally posted by Marken


...James Gang Live.


Oooo, man...that takes me all the way back to high school![:-bigeyes2] I remember they had this song called "The Bomber", & it had this really cool echo guitar thing that panned back & forth between the speakers...you could lay there with your head between the speakers, twist up a coupla...well...on the other hand, maybe I don't remember any of that too well! [:-drunk][:-eyebrows]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 03/31/2004 10:30:42 PM
Message:

Hi all
Just to keep Barry and his electric prods at bay for a while I have done some work on the Challenge project.
Nothing is glued as I still have to make corner posts for the building on the left.
Ken the structure on the right is from the Mainline&Siding kit.





Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 03/31/2004 11:23:37 PM
Message:

Drew and John

Looks like you guys are making some progress.

I had a sucessful trip to Mitchell's. I picked up some light fixtures that I was looking for along with the track I needed. I saw several other items that I will need for the challenge project and will get some of them next time. I also found the WS foliage that Mike was talking about to make vines. I even picked up some milepost markers. I painted the first coat on the a group of light fixtures earlier tonight.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 03/31/2004 11:41:17 PM
Message:

Drew & John,

I don't know if is the music or the threat of Barry's electric paddles, but what ever it is, it is working!


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/01/2004 07:41:38 AM
Message:

John & Drew, nice progress.

I'm still working on the roof of my station. Between the Campbell shingles, the odd corners and angles of the roof, roof supports, rafters and the trim it's taking me a lot longer to finish than I thought it would.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/01/2004 6:40:12 PM
Message:

Give me 100 windows or 1 roof and they'll drive me crazy...



...my roofing skills need work!



In the back ground, pre "Sammy" Van Halen featuring the poker star of the Sopranos.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/01/2004 10:25:09 PM
Message:

Ken

Looking good!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/01/2004 10:51:35 PM
Message:

Coming along nicely , I see you've got the corner posts in .You've got some very nice , subtle details in there Ken . It's one of those buildings that you see a couple more things with each look .
I'm thinking Steely Dan about now ...Aja .

TERRY


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/02/2004 9:33:04 PM
Message:

The building, for now, is fairly complete so I started on the base. Ever try to cut a door opening in a plaster casting...I only broke three before I got it almost right.








Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/02/2004 9:53:48 PM
Message:

Ken,
That plaster foundation looks good! And just how did you cut the opening in the casting?


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/02/2004 10:44:32 PM
Message:

Hi Bruce,

Very small router bit in the drill press did the trick. Pretty frustrating to say the least.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/02/2004 11:57:44 PM
Message:

Ken

Looks great!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/03/2004 03:59:31 AM
Message:

What you have achieved was worth the effort you put in Ken. I am keen to see more photos as you progress it.

Today I have sorted a bit of lighting for the interior of the station and have started cleaning the components of a water tank. Eight of the passengers for the station have had pins CA'ed to one of their feet so I can position them securely. I have also done a base coat for some stone walls and will dry brush them this evening.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/03/2004 07:40:52 AM
Message:

Ken, all the effort sure was worth it. Your model looks great.


Reply author: mikeLV
Replied on: 04/03/2004 08:37:49 AM
Message:

Ken, I REALLY like it. Keep it going.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 04/03/2004 09:13:05 AM
Message:

That is a very nice foundation. You'll have a great scene when you are done.

Chuck


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/03/2004 09:27:30 AM
Message:

Ken
Very nice
I also look forward to more progress shots and wonder what little scheme you have planned for this diorama.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/03/2004 11:08:49 AM
Message:

Ken, as someone who loves old stone foundations, I can say yours really looks great! Your idea of using a router bit to cut the plaster is a good one. I'll have to remember that.

I got such a late start last evening on my station that I didn't have time to get much accomplished. I did get the trim for the front and rear freight doors painted and cut and got it installed on the front doorway. And that's it until tonight.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/03/2004 2:01:15 PM
Message:

Thanks everyone[:-thumbu]

Made a little more progress last night. Got the foundation finished and painted. Also added the doors.



While I was in town this morning I picked up a bag of Sculptamold so I'll start on the hillside and the creek.

John, this one might be normal...


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/03/2004 2:13:41 PM
Message:

It's looking really good, Ken. [:-thumbu]

What did you use to carve the stonework itself?


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 04/03/2004 3:12:41 PM
Message:

Ken that is looking really nice!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/03/2004 3:21:22 PM
Message:

Ken, That base really suits the building. You have done the door in the base very well. You could do a number of things with the base like that and I am keen to see what you do next.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/03/2004 4:30:32 PM
Message:

Actually Mike, I can't take credit for carving the stone except for blending the corners. [:-ashamed]

One last photo for today. The hillside is in and the creek bed has been started. Not much more to do except wait for the stuff to dry.



The bottom road is also laid out.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/03/2004 5:33:21 PM
Message:

Ken,
The foundation looks great, and the base is coming along nicely.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/03/2004 5:38:40 PM
Message:

Ken, excellent job painting the stones. I like the way you have the building built into the side of the hill. Lot's of good ideas. Thanks.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/04/2004 3:33:23 PM
Message:

Wow Ken!
Fantastic work![:-thumbu]
I love the stonework, & I'm really looking forward to seeing how the structure & the base come together!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/04/2004 3:47:44 PM
Message:

Hi Ken
looks real good and "normal", I will believe that when I see it.
I do have a small request I have a sea wall that I would like to be colored the way you did the foundation.
So how about a quick summary of how you painted them.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/04/2004 4:35:59 PM
Message:

Thanks everyone...[:-thumbu]

Hi John,

1. First applied a coat of Ceramcoat Antique
White.
2. A heavy A&I wash
3. Two shades of brown chalk and alcohol
4. Another A&I wash

Hope this helps.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/04/2004 4:42:54 PM
Message:

Thanks Ken
I will give it a try.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/04/2004 7:16:27 PM
Message:

Well, the little Bar Mills station is a nice little kit, but fairly straight forward to build. To add to the challenge, I decided to make this the first model I build with a finished interior and a removable roof.

So far, all the outsides of the walls and all the outside trim is painted. I stained all the 1" x 6" stripwood that I have on hand, and I have completed the first wall on the inside.

I have enough of the 1" x 6"'s to do one more wall. I have to place an order before I can go any further. In the meantime, I will start painting some detail items.

Here are pictures of the outside and inside of the one wall that I have completed.




Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/04/2004 8:22:35 PM
Message:

Great choice of colours Bruce. That will look great.


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 04/04/2004 8:39:36 PM
Message:

Ken, I really like how your diorama is coming along. I thought I had a suggestion for you on the way to cut the door, but after seeing your pic with the door open that would not have worked for you. My thought was that if the door was just to be set in place, dont try to cut out the whole piece, just rout out enough depth for the door to lay in. That way the plaster will be a lot less fragile. I've also found that if I need to make opening I'll do it before the piece has had a chance to fully cure and wet the piece slightly while making the cuts, I've also inserted a small piece of foam in place before pouring the casting and then just remove the foam to get your opening. I hope that my ramblings will be helpful to someone.Pat


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/04/2004 8:52:38 PM
Message:

Wow! Lots of progress and discussion today! I guess I'd better get offline and get back to work on my station, too.

Bruce, are you going to utilize the tab/slot roof panels for your removable roof? Or are you going to design your own?


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/04/2004 9:25:34 PM
Message:

Nice start Bruce. [:-thumbu] Colors look good and so do those nail holes!

Pat, thanks for the tip. I even glued cardstock to the back of the plaster and I still broke one.

Mike, get to work...

Well, I painted the foam and put on the first coat of dirt/grass. The bridge is also in along with the first pour of WS water. (I hope it dries this time) The white is where the bottom road will be.



While everything is drying I'll grind some cat litter for the road.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/05/2004 02:52:59 AM
Message:

Thought I'd do an update on my roundhouse , pics are a little dark as I didn't use extra lighting .I've just pieced things together for the picture since the next major step will be to disassemble everything so that I can pour the concrete floor .





Now that I look at the picture , you can see that the stone walls have 3 coats of A&I while the foundation has only one . I'm going to further colour the stone walls with acrylics .The brick is much lighter than the picture suggests .

TERRY


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/05/2004 04:41:13 AM
Message:

I've got a question regarding the INSIDE of a roundhouse and maybe some of you guys who have seen one in operation can help me out .
When they are moving the loco into the roundhouse , is it done in such a way as to not make too much smoke ? I'm wondering how dirty to make mine inside . I can't imagine 5 locos belching out smoke as they pull into the roundhouse.

TERRY


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/05/2004 06:56:01 AM
Message:

Mike,

I am going to try to use the tabbed roof panels. My thougths were to enlarge the slots in those panels a bit so that they fit over the tabs on the end walls easier.



quote:
Originally posted by teejay

I've got a question regarding the INSIDE of a roundhouse and maybe some of you guys who have seen one in operation can help me out .
When they are moving the loco into the roundhouse , is it done in such a way as to not make too much smoke ? I'm wondering how dirty to make mine inside . I can't imagine 5 locos belching out smoke as they pull into the roundhouse.

TERRY


Terry,
My understanding is that they pulled in under their own steam. Once inside, they would line up the smokestacks under "funnels" (inverted) that led to roof vents to get the smoke out of the building.


Reply author: mikeLV
Replied on: 04/05/2004 08:59:01 AM
Message:

Ken, I'm very impressed with what your doing. I've been watching quietly from the side.

Bruce, I also like your colors and must say the nail holes are spectacular. I haven't liked using the pounce-wheel as it seems to leave a wide hole and not always lined up with the boards. Did you do these individually? What does the tool look like that you use? (its wierd but I'm getting excited about how good they look[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2][:-basketball]) - Must be my lack of sleep.

Great job everyone! Thanks for sharing.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/05/2004 10:02:00 AM
Message:

Great stuff guys!

Terry the roundhouse is coming along real nice!

Bruce
Great job on the walls! Can’t wait to see all the walls together.

Ken
Looks great! The weathering gives a great feel.

Looks like I am due for an update and here it is. I found some light fixtures at a recent trip to the LHS. I painted them and attached six of them to the station.

Here is one of them at the waiting room door.


I also painted the roof. I looked at the roof and the sample picture on the box and determined that the shingles seem to resemble wood shingles. I then looked around the neighborhood for examples. I realized that wood shingles vary in color and that there is no consistency or pattern of colors on older roofs. Therefore, I decided to use a technique similar to what I used on the rock castings on the water tower diorama. I dabbed various colors of paint on the roof and then hit it with a wash of the dominate color. I tried using washes for all the applications like the rock castings but because the roof is plastic they did not work. Paint straight from the bottle seemed to work the best. I used in order Folk Art Clay Bisque, Cinnamon, Burnt Sienna, Maple Syrup, Raw Sienna, and Asphaltum. For the final wash I used 2 applications of a Cinnamon and blue windshield washer fluid mixture. I sealed it with Dullcoat. For some reason there is a little bit of shine to the roof right now. I need to do some weathering and another coat of Dullcoat so I am not worried about it.

Next I need to add the chimney. There are two dormers, a vent structure, and a cupola that I can add. I am debating if I want to add them.

Next is to paint the chimney. It is a brick structure so I need to color the bricks and mortar. I also plan on starting the diorama base.

OK time for some update photos:

Front view


Front and side view


Loading dock side view


Rear View


Rear and side View


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/05/2004 10:05:44 AM
Message:

All of these various projects are coming along nicely! Looing good, guys.

Terry, I think in some cases the roundhouse's boiler also provided steam to move the locos in/out. I seem to recall reading somewhere years ago that overhead steam lines and hoses were used for that purpose.

Well, I made some progress last evening... of sorts. Although the color combo (Sandstone w/ Dutch Blue) I settled on looked good together, I wasn't happy with it for a station. It's more like the colors you might see on a house rather than a train station. The closer I got to finishing the basic wall assemblies, the more I became convinced the colors had to be changed. So I spent last evening repainting all of the trim and foundation skirting. I left the walls themselves in the basic Sandstone, but all of the trim is now Forest Green. It looks much better (more prototypical?) and far more suitable for a station.

By the time I finished, it was too late to set up the camera and take photos. I'll try to get some later this week.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/05/2004 11:38:34 AM
Message:

My curiosity on how to bring the locos into the roundhouse came from watching an article on Speedvision where Jay Leno took the host on a test drive in one of his two Stanley Steamers .When they returned to Leno's house ,Jay jumped out , turned a number of valves to let off pressure , closed them back up , and used the remaining pressure to back the car up 20 feet into the garage .I realize it's a stretch to compare the light car to a huge loco but I thought maybe a similar process applied .If I'm going to model steam , I figure it would be useful information .
Thanks guys .

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/05/2004 3:07:24 PM
Message:

Tom, I just saw your photos. Your station is coming along very nicely. You've made a lot of progress on it.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/05/2004 4:25:49 PM
Message:

I decided to stick one wall in my tool box and bring it back with me to the city this morning so I could take a progress photo. Here's a quickie photo of the new color scheme. The Forest Green actually isn't as blue as it appears in this shot, but I didn't take time to set up the lights just for this one photo. [:-ashamed]





Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/05/2004 5:13:13 PM
Message:

Terry,
The roundhouse is looking good. The stone really sets it off. I took a tour a few years back of the roundhouse located in NFDL and I never looked up towards the ceiling so I can't answer your question. We couldn't get close to the turntable which was disappointing.

Tom,
I like your station. The roof looks really good. Where did you get the lights from?

Mike,
I'm partial to blue, but the green looks good too.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/05/2004 5:32:12 PM
Message:

Bruce, Ken, Terry, Tom and Mike, all of you guys are making great progress.

Bruce, what stain did you use for the interior wall? Are you using the interior kit from SS Ltd. that you told me about?

Terry the stone walls and foundation look good.

Tom, you did a great job painting the roof. I think you captured that random color look of a shingle roof very well.

Ken, what work you've done on the scenery is looking good. I'm watching your progress closely.

Mike, I can't wait to see more picture.

I hope to have a progress report later tonight. Might have pictures at 11.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/05/2004 6:14:46 PM
Message:

Great progress everyone.

I have about 35 figures painted for the station platform and environs now. The station building is looking at me asking when am I going to finish it. I have hit a bit of a brick wall with the roof.

With my recent thinking about a modular layout I may build this station diorama as the first module so need to think about how that fits and overall plan. Have to decide on module sizes. My current thinking is for 30" deep by 4 feet wide.


Reply author: Glen Haasdyk
Replied on: 04/05/2004 7:00:37 PM
Message:

Terry,
I beleive the procedure for putting a steamer away in the roundhouse started with dousing the fire and dumping the ashes, then draining the water from various fittings, then with the remaining steam presure in the boiler they put it away in the roundhouse. At least, that's how I understand it.
Anyway I really like the roundhouse project and am following it closly for when I build one.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/05/2004 7:17:21 PM
Message:

Tom,
Your station is looking really good!

Mike,
I like that wall. Does the Campbell kit come with the window trim cut to shape (like the top of the big window), or is all a matter of cutting & sanding?

Guys,
Thanks for the comments on my wall. I would love to take credit for those great nail holes (2 per board), but Bar Mills did that with their laser equipment.

Rick,
The inside wall is stained with MicroMark's Age-It-Easy Brown, and yes, I ordered the detail kit from SS LTD through Ray. That came in at MRPO today, but I have not yet had a chance to open the package to see what goodies are included.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/05/2004 8:23:06 PM
Message:

Bruce, I'm interested in your opinion of the SS Ltd details. Maybe a picture too if you have the time and won't mind.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/05/2004 9:04:21 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Dutchman

Mike,
I like that wall. Does the Campbell kit come with the window trim cut to shape (like the top of the big window), or is all a matter of cutting & sanding?





Bruce, that's one of Campbell's "standard" windows with trim. So is the smaller window, although I cut the muntins out of it to make one large pane instead of four small ones.

You can even buy packages of CSM windows (and doors) separately - or at least they used to be available before CSM was sold. I would guess Walthers/Terminal Hobbies would still have them in stock, though. They're not very expensive, and they come (usually) with four windows per package.




Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/05/2004 9:19:19 PM
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Well, it's been awhile, but I've finally made some progress on my station.

Still need to finish the roof section on the left.




View of the back I experimented with some brown shoe dye to stain the shingles with. Not sure if I like. I'll look at it again tomorrow and decide if I like it or not.


There's still a lot to do. Finish staining shingles, trim on top of roof, trim along eaves and rafters under the front roof sections.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 04/05/2004 9:40:13 PM
Message:

Looking good Rick!


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/05/2004 10:10:11 PM
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Very nice Rick. The stone looks fantastic. I also like the shoe polish roof shingles.


Well, my WS water dried.................up[:-banghead] The creek is high and dry. Just like Mike, I thought I had it sealed pretty good but the foam sucked it all in. Pour 2 hopefully will stick around.


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 04/05/2004 10:27:58 PM
Message:

You are the shingle king!!!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/05/2004 10:28:37 PM
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Looking good Rick! Very impressive.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/05/2004 10:33:33 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Marken

Tom,
I like your station. The roof looks really good. Where did you get the lights from?




Ken

The light fixtures are made by Creative Model Associates. I picked them up at Mitchell's Hobbies in Wilmington, DE.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/05/2004 10:54:59 PM
Message:

Rick,

Your station is looking great! Tomorrow I will take a close look at the SS Ltd. station detail set and let you know what I think.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/06/2004 12:00:57 AM
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Rick, you're doing a really nice job with this. The shingles colored with the shoe dye look fine. If you don't think they look dark enough or weathered enough, you might stain them with black alcohol after the shoe dye has dried. It depends upon how weathered you want the appearance to be.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/06/2004 12:11:01 AM
Message:

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This thread has exploded with posts in the last couple of days.
Great job everyone.
I squeezed in a little progress today.
The front of the gas station has progressed with the addition of some trim.
The side that is leaning is not glued but is just positioned there to hold up the front wall.
Again it is great to see so many people working on their challenge project.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/06/2004 12:47:05 AM
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Rick, Those tonings look good. What a difference the stain makes.

John, and I was just about to get the paddles powered up and all.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/06/2004 09:13:10 AM
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Glen , Bruce ,Ken & Mike , thanks for the feedback on the roundhouse . I'll keep on ' Googling 'for info but so far it mostly relates to exterior shots .
For everyone else , good progress is being made and it looks like there will be many fine crafted models finished by the June deadline .

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/06/2004 09:25:23 AM
Message:

John

Nice looking walls. I guess Barry can put away the paddles for the time being.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/06/2004 09:56:46 AM
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John, your walls are looking great! The weathering and board-by-board construction of the wall on the right looks just right! And I like how you trimmed the false front wall. Very nice. [:-thumbu]


Reply author: mikeLV
Replied on: 04/06/2004 11:04:59 AM
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Although not involved with this challenge, I must say I'm enjoying the progress of everyone's projects. Just wanted to say GREAT JOB!


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 04/06/2004 1:18:01 PM
Message:

Tom
Are these the lights?
1017 Outdoor Lights (Nonworking) with Mounting Brackets pkg(24) HO 4.95 Y


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/06/2004 5:00:38 PM
Message:

Thanks guys for all the nice comments.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/06/2004 9:21:10 PM
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Just a little progress this week so far. Added the small shed and also some steps which will make the climb easier. There will be a small porch at the top.




Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/06/2004 9:34:57 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by LocoRick

Bruce, I'm interested in your opinion of the SS Ltd details. Maybe a picture too if you have the time and won't mind.



Rick,

Here are a few pictures and a list of the contents of this detail kit.



Download Attachment: Ssltd2.jpg
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The kit contains the following items:
1 train order (semaphore) signal (8 piece mini-kit)
3 tall (curved neck) platform lamps (2 pc. kit)
1 baggage cart (5 pc mini kit)
1 station master desk
1 chair for the desk
3 oil drums
3 open top barrels
3 lids for barrels
3 empty crates
3 milk cans
3 exterior passenger benches (comes with wood slats)
3 fire extinguishers
3 passenger assist steps
1 telegrapher sounder (for desk top)
1 power head (for mounting near roof)
1 electric main switch (for mounting on exterior wall near ground level)
1 broom

The parts are all cast metal and some have quite a bit of flash.

Now my thoughts. Some of these items you probably have (barrels, crates, oil drums, benches), so these would be duplicates. I don't particularly like the baggage cart in this kit (and with no directions, I hope that I can figure out how to make it).

What I do like: the tall outside lamp posts, the benches, the desk & chair and the train order signal.

I will use all the stuff somewhere on the layout, but for the price ($29 from Ray), I think I would take a different approach if I were to do it again. I would go to the Walther's catalog and order just the items that I wanted (from SS Ltd or Evergreen Hill). I might end up spending the same amount, but I would have ordered some inside passenger benches, a telephone, and a different type of baggage cart.

I hope that this helps.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/06/2004 9:53:37 PM
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Great work John & Rick! [:-thumbu]
Ken,
The diorama is really coming together nicely! Super job!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/06/2004 10:03:23 PM
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John,
I like the way the colors on the two sections compliment each other. Is the wall on the right from the Mainline & Siding kit?

Ken,
The shed is a nice touch.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/06/2004 10:52:07 PM
Message:

Ken

It keeps getting better and better. Very good job!


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 04/06/2004 11:42:34 PM
Message:

All the progress lately has been extraordinary. I would like to know from the guys who put in their own nail holes, since I don't have any thing to scale it by when you show your models what size boards are you doing this process to? Either scale or real measurements would be great thanks Pat


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/06/2004 11:50:35 PM
Message:

I've got to say Rick , the roof and stone work really catch my eye .
Bags , it is really starting to take shape . I like the ' false front ' look to the main structure . Do you use a pounce wheel for the nail holes ?
Bruce , you got a lot of detail parts for you $29 , too bad you can't use them all . I think it's a good deal for the quality of what you got.
Ken , slow down ! Your're going to be done in no time .Looks very nice , well thought out .

TERRY


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/07/2004 07:33:38 AM
Message:

Thanks Drew and Terry.

Bruce, thanks for the pictures and your thoughts about the kit. When you originally told me about it I figured that there would be more details for the interior of a station. The desk and chair do look good. Are you going to scratch build the rest of the interior pieces needed, for example a ticket window?

Ken, I really like the way your scene is coming together. Good luck with your next stream pour.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/07/2004 08:50:26 AM
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Again everyone seems to be working full speed ahead on their challenge project.
I will be on a short vacation from tomorrow(Thurs) until the next Thursday so I will rejoin the project when I return.
For now:
Terry
No ponce wheel.
I do not own one but do the nail holes using a T pin.
This way I can get the holes closer together.

Bruce
The structure on the right is from the M&S kit.
Also the M&S kit comes with a detail pack from SS LTD. which is Elm Park Grocery MS509 which includes windows, doors and extras.
Actually a very nice detail kit.

Pat the nail holes are in 2X10's.
I usually use 2X6, 2X8 or 2X10's and occasionally 2X12's when scratch building a wall.

Ken I expect you will be finished when I get back home.

Again I am impressed with the fine work that everyone has done.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/07/2004 09:01:55 AM
Message:

Ken, That is looking great.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/07/2004 10:19:13 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by ETinBH

Tom
Are these the lights?
1017 Outdoor Lights (Nonworking) with Mounting Brackets pkg(24) HO 4.95 Y



Elliot

Sorry I didn't answer you before this. Somehow I missed your post.

The light fixtures are made by Creative Model Associates. There 24 in the package. I paid $5.95 for them. If you need the part number I can look it up for you when I get home tonight.


Reply author: Climax1880
Replied on: 04/07/2004 11:05:26 AM
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Terry:
My impression of putting an engine into a stall was, get the turntable lined and locked for the stall you want, Pull the Johnson bar back to reverse the engine, cut the draft (little smoke), pull out a little throttle (until the engine starts to move), kill the throttle and let the engine coast inside until the smokestack is under the vent and use the engine brakes to stop her where you want.

Hope this is right and helps. Of course, they really didn't worry too much about it in those days anyway, so the inside of the RH was probably dirtier than the outside.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/07/2004 11:22:46 AM
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Very much appreciated , JR , thanks . I looked up ' roundhouse interior ' on Google and the few pictures that did pop up showed filthy conditions . Granted these roundhouses were out of service and sitting , but work conditions must have been pretty tough for those workers .

TERRY


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 04/07/2004 12:48:43 PM
Message:

Tom, no prob, I am sure they are the same. I got the listing off the Walthers site. Will pick some up when I order again.
Thanks


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/07/2004 4:53:34 PM
Message:

One more question regarding roundhouse operation and I'll go to my room .
Did the loco necessarily go in frontwards or backwards .It seems to me they would need 2 vents for each stall if the loco went in both ways .Can I assume they went in frontwards ?

TERRY


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 04/07/2004 5:50:37 PM
Message:

Terry I've been following your posts about the roundhouse closely as I will build one of those myself someday and am making notes for later. I don't know for sure if they would have two smokestacks but I have seen several pic's with the loco's in both directions.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/07/2004 10:01:20 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by LocoRick


Are you going to scratch build the rest of the interior pieces needed, for example a ticket window?




Rick,

I have a few ideas that I want to try, but I am not sure that my skill-level is up to it. (Maybe I need to talk to Ira!)

Anyway, my order of stripwood arrived this evening, so I can now proceed with finishing the inside walls. I have been having some problems with warping, which I would normally solve by using braces on the inside of the walls. But now, those are going to be seen, so I am thinking of how to do this. The warping on the end walls is pretty significant.[:-cry]


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/08/2004 8:54:13 PM
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I made a little more progress the last two nights. The road and stairs are in and the hill is partially planted. I found some tree trunks in the yard so I'll have a couple of tree's to add.
The shed is also finished.








Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/08/2004 9:13:43 PM
Message:

Ken,

The only down side of the cute little shed is that it hides some of the gorgeous foundation. Seriously, it is really looking great.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/08/2004 9:15:03 PM
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Ken, fantastic job! That ground cover on the hill is very well done, not to mention the rusty roof.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/08/2004 9:29:25 PM
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Hi Bruce,

I was thinking the same thing...[:-cry]

Well, I thought I'd add a quick tree to the hill.



Thanks Rick.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/08/2004 10:02:58 PM
Message:

Excellent Ken. I like that rusty roof on the shed and the stairs. The tree is in a good location.

I will be interested to know how you solve the warping Bruce.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 04/09/2004 07:46:54 AM
Message:

I agree with Bruce, Ken. Even though it is a great shed, it's too bad it hides the foundation. But, it adds a lot of interest to the structure!

Chuck


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/09/2004 08:18:22 AM
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That is one FINE piece of work, Ken! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/09/2004 08:23:45 AM
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Well my big accomplishment this week has been installing the window glazing in the dormers and the cupola. Now I need to install the “shades” and attach them to the roof. Then it is diorama time!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/09/2004 09:05:23 AM
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Ken, you've done a very fine job with the model and base. [:-thumbu] I like the open door in the foundation. Nice touch!

I'm finally getting close to getting the walls assembled on my station. I got all of the windows glazed and installed last night. Later today I hope to get the flooring supports installed on the main wall sections, and then it's time to make the whole thing look like an actual building. [:-jump2]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/09/2004 3:44:27 PM
Message:

I'm having a lot of fun with this Challenge . I've never done stone work before and this may be a bit too gaudy so I'll probably tone down the stone with a couple of thin washes off ivory acrylic .There will be a sill plate between the base and the walls , obviously not in yet as I'm loose fitting the pieces . I still haven't got the concrete floor poured yet ...this weekend .







TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/09/2004 5:22:46 PM
Message:

It's looking really good, Terry! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 04/09/2004 8:44:18 PM
Message:

Very nice Terry!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/09/2004 9:09:22 PM
Message:

Terry,

That looks very good. Seeing the work that you, Ken and Mike have done with stone, I have to give it a try.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/09/2004 9:48:54 PM
Message:

Looks great Terry. Are you sure this is your first time?


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/09/2004 10:51:38 PM
Message:

Terry, very nicely done.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/09/2004 10:57:08 PM
Message:

Very nice colouring in both the brickwork and stone Terry, but just one point - isn't the armour coat can just a little out of scale??


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/09/2004 11:05:49 PM
Message:

Hey Terry[:-thumbu] Looks good.

A little more work done today. The color for the sign was hard to decide on, but this is what I chose. Sort of blends in with the building.



This side is almost finished so I'll give it a 180 and start on the upper end soon.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/10/2004 02:27:50 AM
Message:

I think you have chosen well with the sign colouring. The subtle markings on the bridge and driveway are very good too. What are the actual dimensions of the base please Ken?


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/10/2004 08:08:57 AM
Message:

Thanks guys , and yes Tom , this is a first for me and PoP castings and stonework but it sure won't be the last .PoP has many things going for it , especially cost ( the stonework you see cost about 15 cents ) and the only downside is that the material is very FRAGILE . I'm amazed that I only broke one casting but yellow glue came to the rescue so it's an easy fix .

Ken , that looks very nice ...the sign colours are perfect with the old-timey style lettering .You complained earlier about roofs but I think you did a very nice job on both and the little details in the yard finish it off .Great work .

TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/10/2004 08:30:37 AM
Message:

I have been working on the interior lighting for and roofing of my station building. The lights are positioned OK but I have misjudged some measurements for the roof and so have wasted a bit of time.


Reply author: mikeLV
Replied on: 04/10/2004 11:11:43 AM
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Terry, I do like the stonework you've done. Congrats on a fine job with your first pop.
Ken, I really like what you've done. I had the same idea for my Booty Corner with the bridge crossing the stream but I haven't done that yet. Can you do a closeup of your bridge so I can XXXXXX (borrow) your ideas as I really like how it turned out? Have you filled in the stream bed?


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/10/2004 11:16:35 AM
Message:

Ken, that's a very nice looking scene. Expertly done. I like the little pine trees. Did you make them?

I was able to do a little more work on my station this morning. I have finished staining the roof and have added the trim and gingerbread to the roof peak. I have also started adding the trim to the eaves.



Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/10/2004 11:17:43 AM
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Well, it's taken me a long time to reach this point, but I finally have the walls erected. Next will be getting the interior flooring assembled and installed. That will have to wait until next week, though.












Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/10/2004 11:27:01 AM
Message:

Ken,
I think that you chose wisely on the sign & the entire diorama is looking very good.

Rick,
That is a neat little station. I see why you like the Wintersrun series.

Mike,
When the walls go up, aren't you supposed to run up a flag at the peak of the roof? You are making me sorry that I didn't build my Campbell model at the same time you did, for the support.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/10/2004 4:08:08 PM
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Looking good Mike. [:-thumbu] I can only guess it was fun aligning and gluing those walls together.[:-taped]

Barry, the base is 12"x14". One inch plywood and various thickness of foam.

Rick, they are Heki sprayed with a very liberal amount of hairspray and then dunking into a bag of WS foilage.

MikeLV, hope this helps. The stream bed was first carved out, painted earth brown and then partially filled with brown sand from a local volleyball court.[:-bigeyes] I then liberaly wetted it with WS scenic cement. While still wet I added stones and small pieces of wood to the stream bottom before soaking everything with more glue.





Terry, every time I look at the roof I see an over-weathered object compared to the rest of the building. But it appears much lighter in the photo's. I don't know if I'll redo it or not.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/10/2004 4:10:08 PM
Message:

Great work everyone.
Everyone seems to be making some real progress on their projects.

I like the stone work Terry.
Ken that will be a very nice diorama when you are done.
I also like the sign.
Rick again your model looks very much like the picture that you posted at the beginning. Very nice.
Mike I have sitting on the orphan shelf the station completed to just about the point where you are now.
I want to convert it to a business of some type so I will be watching with interest your project.
Barry I look forward to more pictures of your station.
If I forgot anyone I am sorry.
One thing about being 950 miles from your modeling bench for 10 days it does get the juices flowing to return home and begin modeling again.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 04/10/2004 7:34:43 PM
Message:

Ken that is a great little bridge and stream!


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 04/10/2004 8:11:51 PM
Message:

Ken I like the diorama alot and was hoping you would post how you did the tire marks as I have tried two different methods so far and both were horrible way to heavy I need something subtle like yours.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/10/2004 9:49:29 PM
Message:

Ken, that sand from the court went to a good cause! I love the creek and bridge.

Mike, that is looking great. I like the choice of colours you chose in the end.

Here are two shots front and back showing how the lighting will look. They are 12v lights set in the ceiling of the rooms and the ticket area. I have just two on for these test photos. I plan to have a seperate on/off for each.

On the front of the building I have had to abandon my idea of showing the interior of the roof as I misjudged some measurements. I need to plan a bit more and measure better. The rear roof is hinged to allow access in case I need to change light bulbs. The front has corrigated iron lightly sprayed with light grey to see if it looks like newish roof iron. Do you think I should rust it up or is there potential with this? You can also see two of the many citizens I have been painting this past month.

I have to get better at positioning and fixing the iron roofs as I will need to do a lot of them. I have been using Weldbond glue. Any tips welcome.




Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 04/10/2004 10:20:14 PM
Message:

Really neat!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/10/2004 11:36:55 PM
Message:

I have gone with rusting up the roof to better match the back half for the station. The guttering is added and the station sign is back on. I think one of the LP had been swinging on it.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/10/2004 11:42:57 PM
Message:

Barry, I really like the effect of the lighting.[:-thumbu] I just might add it to the challenge project.

As far as the roof goes, I would keep it like you have it now with the light grey. You can always add rust in the future to help the building age.


Belg, the bridge is first roughed up (width wise) with a razor blade to look aged. Then I very lightly scraped the length of the bridge with the blade two tracks 3/4" apart (HO tread width) and did a liberal wash with A&I to the whole bridge. After that dried I put another coat just on the tire tracks to help them stand out.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/11/2004 12:12:50 AM
Message:

Barry, you're doing an excellent job with the lighting. That tiled passageway is just a knockout with either daylight or nighttime lighting. [:-thumbu]

quote:
Originally posted by bpate


I have to get better at positioning and fixing the iron roofs as I will need to do a lot of them. I have been using Weldbond glue. Any tips welcome.



Two suggestions I would offer: first, if you're not totally satisfied with the Weldbond, you might try (if you can find it) Duco Cement. I use it to attach my corrugated panels and like the way it holds.

Second, you might consider off-setting the seams of the corrugated panels between rows. For the second row, start on the left side (or the right, if you prefer) with a 1/2-width panel, then continue with full-width panels across the remaineder of the roof. You'll finish with a 1/2-width panel at the other end. That's the most common way I see corrugated roofing done on buildings and barns. It's to minimize water leaks and seepage during rain storms.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/11/2004 12:57:40 AM
Message:

Thanks Ken, I had already rusted up the roof but will work on that technique for another building. The lighting is pretty easy to do should add a bit of interest and variety.

Thanks Mike. I am very pleased you like the tiles, it achieves what I intended for it. Thanks very much for the tip about the off-set for the corrigated iron panels. Very much appreciated. You probably can't see it very well in the photo but there is guttering along the edge. Is it worth doing that?

Here it is with the off set applied. I guess one good thing about the weldbond is you have about an hour before it fully sets to make changes like this. I have to leave the back half of the roof as is as it is fully set. I also gave the LP more headroom with the station sign. The roofing now has a coat of dullcoat so the roof capping can have something to adhere to. Will do that next. Thanks again Mike for the tip.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/11/2004 08:16:02 AM
Message:

Barry,
The effect of the lighting is striking! I think that the gutter is a nice added detail. Great job all around![:-thumbu]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/11/2004 09:02:37 AM
Message:

Thanks Bruce, I will start on the platform and rest of the diorama.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/11/2004 09:30:13 AM
Message:

Barry, the lights and roof look great. I agree with Bruce, the gutters add to the building and were worth the effort


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/11/2004 09:30:39 AM
Message:

Nice weathering , Barry .Why not get 16 white lp's and 16 black lp's and get a ' human' chess game going in that common area ? [:-bigeyes]
Nice work Ken , Rick and Mike ....looks like everyone will be finished by the end of June !
How is Tyson's building coming along , anyone heard ?

TERRY


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 04/11/2004 09:36:57 AM
Message:

Ken, thanks for sharing your method but I dont think I can use it as Im working on dried grout/sand. Can anyone share something that might work with this in Nscale?


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/11/2004 09:54:33 AM
Message:

Ken , does the main roof lift off, or is it glued in place ?I was going to say , if you aren't happy with it you could trying one or two other styles and interchange them to see what you like .Perhaps do one in shingles and another in terracotta tile .I'm just wondering out loud here , but maybe in real life , a structure that finely detailed would have had a fancier roof .

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/11/2004 3:49:55 PM
Message:

Man, I can't get to the forum for a day and a half and everybody's posting and making progress. Great stuff everyone. Now maybe tonight I'll get something done.


Reply author: mikeLV
Replied on: 04/11/2004 4:38:30 PM
Message:

Great work everyone! Thanks Ken for the closeup's of the bridge and stream. They look great!


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/11/2004 5:53:56 PM
Message:

Hi Terry,

I've been looking throught lots of pics posted here and at the Yahoo FSM sight to see what other styles of roofs guys have done.

I'll just keep on staring at it while I work on the other stuff and decide what to do.

I finished the other sign. Thought I'd do a little advertising for another local business...


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/11/2004 6:16:48 PM
Message:

Ken
For the style of building that you have I think either the tar paper roof or maybe a corrugated metal roof would be appropriate.
If you were to go upscale maybe a roof with slate shingles.
I think they would be looking at a roof that would last a long time or be inexpensive to replace.
I like the second sign which advertises your Fenimore's.
I guess this means that they will located close to each other.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/11/2004 8:46:32 PM
Message:

Looks good Ken[:-thumbu].

I got a little more done on my project. The roof trim is on, the lights are up and I stained some of the castings.



Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/11/2004 8:57:39 PM
Message:

Ken & Rick, Nice progress photos.

Ken, I like your Fenimore sign on the building.[:-thumbu]

Rick, I recognize some of those detail parts. I really like those barrels! Overall, the kit looks terrific.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/11/2004 9:32:41 PM
Message:

Ken

The sign looks great!

Rick

The station and the details look great.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/11/2004 10:54:52 PM
Message:

Beautifully done , Rick , and I like all the colour you've put into it . The combination really sets it off particularly the dark green trim and how it defines the roof angles .[:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/11/2004 11:28:01 PM
Message:

Well I finaly made some progress. I added glazing and shades to the windows of the cupola and dormers and built them. I attached the cupola and the dormers to the roof. I also attached the vent to the roof and painted its roof. I painted the chimney and the chimney top and attached them to the roof. I also weathered the cupola, dormers, vent, and roof. I still need to weather the chimney and give the whole station some more weathering.

So here are the progress photos.









Now is the time to also start the diorama base and details.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/11/2004 11:39:45 PM
Message:

Great progress Rick and Tom.

I'm stuck trying to see if I can work in a turntable into the 2 x 4 module along with the station and railway crossing. Following one idea at the moment.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/11/2004 11:56:46 PM
Message:

Rick and Tom, you guys are just miles ahead of me now. I've got some real catching up to do.

Very nice work, both of you!



Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/12/2004 06:37:28 AM
Message:

Tom,
Great progress! I am looking forward to seeing your diorama.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/12/2004 09:34:10 AM
Message:

Great progress everyone.
By the time I get back home it looks as if most of you will be finished with your Challenge project.
I guess I better get crackin' when I get home.


Reply author: mikeLV
Replied on: 04/12/2004 1:31:42 PM
Message:

Continuing to enjoy everyone's progress.
Thanks guys...they all look great!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/12/2004 5:59:23 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

Great progress everyone.
By the time I get back home it looks as if most of you will be finished with your Challenge project.


Never fear, my friend! Remember, I am in this group and I move like a herd of turtles...[:-turtle][:-turtle][:-turtle][:-turtle]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/12/2004 6:28:07 PM
Message:

Have a safe journey back John. I have plenty to do and will need all the time we have left.

I am trying to build a small turntable pit right now using a $1 cake tin lined with wood for the pit area and a CD spindle for the pivot mechanism. Time will tell if it works or if I need to spend real money on a kit of some sort. I may just make it an abandoned turntable for the challenge if I can't get functional one built in time.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/12/2004 10:07:43 PM
Message:

Everyone is making some great progress. The stations are really shaping up.

Barry, I have the same problem. I've been looking for a small turntable for my branchline RH kit and I keep getting outbid on Ebay.

There was plans in a couple of the old Gazette's for a turntable. I had asked MikeC to check if he had the issue's but he probably forgot.

Mike...Nov/Dec 89 and Jan/Feb 90...hint...hint


Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 04/13/2004 12:11:39 AM
Message:

Evening,
I remember an article from Model Railroader in the 70's where the author used a phono jack and plug in the construction of his turntable. It was a manual turntable, solved the electrical & mechanical issues. Created a former out of a 1x4 to create the base of the pit. Granted, this was over thirty years ago & my memory is a little fuzzy. Another option I've seen done is to use the atlas turntable as a backwoods closed pit. Add stripwood as necesary.
-david j


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/13/2004 02:15:00 AM
Message:

Thanks David and Ken. I am partly using the turntable as a reason why the main line curves rather than have just runs along the edge of the module. Any plans or ideas welcome. I spent most of last evening glueing wood to the edge of the pit.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/13/2004 07:53:53 AM
Message:

Tom, your station is looking real good. Thanks for the pictures.

Barry, that sounds like an interesting project your working on. I can't wait to see pictures.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/13/2004 9:33:07 PM
Message:

Made a little more progress the last couple of days. The "bottom" is pretty well complete so I did the 180 and started on the top. Naturally, I had to add a fence. Also started work on the barrels.






Reply author: TrevorCreek
Replied on: 04/13/2004 9:40:24 PM
Message:

Ken,

Great job!!! I really like the sloped area. Looking forward to more pics.

Frank Bernard


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/13/2004 9:43:36 PM
Message:

Ken, that is looking so good!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/13/2004 10:49:28 PM
Message:

Ken

AWESOME! Great job!

Well I added the stove pipe and finished the weathering on station building. That pretty much finishes the station. Now it is time to concentrate on the diorama. I got most of the foam glued down and the hills located.

If I can get a hold of a cmera tomorrow I will post progress photos.


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 04/13/2004 11:35:55 PM
Message:

I like clean modeling.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/13/2004 11:57:06 PM
Message:

It looks really good, Ken! [:-thumbu]

Like Frank, I like the sloped area and the foundation/basement set into the hillside.


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 04/14/2004 06:17:36 AM
Message:

Ken:

Your ground cover on the sloped area is excellant. Whose material did you use for the sticks? Keep up the good work. Looking forward to more pics.

Karl s


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/14/2004 07:49:50 AM
Message:

Ken,
Every step of the way, your model and diorama get better and better!


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 04/14/2004 08:00:32 AM
Message:

Excellent work Ken!


Reply author: mikeLV
Replied on: 04/14/2004 10:13:24 AM
Message:

Ken, you really have the eye for doing a scene. Fantastic!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/15/2004 10:51:04 AM
Message:

I got a little done on my station last night. Very little as it turned out. The flooring for the interior came in three pieces which had to be edge glued together and weighted down. While I was waiting for that to dry, I read ahead in the instructions and studied the drawings/photos. That's when I realized that the freight and passenger doors are solid pieces across the openings. So why install interior flooring when the interior can't be seen anyway? [:-banghead]

If I had the time, I would scratchbuild the doors and leave them partially open to display the interior. But I'm going to be doing good to get the basic structure finished by June, so scratchbuilding doors is out for right now. And so is the flooring!

Anyway, I moved on to the next step, which called for cutting and painting some trim pieces. By the time those dried, the evening was over. All in all, not much accomplished! [:-banghead]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/15/2004 3:31:13 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

I got a little done on my station last night. Very little as it turned out. The flooring for the interior came in three pieces which had to be edge glued together and weighted down. While I was waiting for that to dry, I read ahead in the instructions and studied the drawings/photos. That's when I realized that the freight and passenger doors are solid pieces across the openings. So why install interior flooring when the interior can't be seen anyway? [:-banghead]

If I had the time, I would scratchbuild the doors and leave them partially open to display the interior. But I'm going to be doing good to get the basic structure finished by June, so scratchbuilding doors is out for right now. And so is the flooring!

Anyway, I moved on to the next step, which called for cutting and painting some trim pieces. By the time those dried, the evening was over. All in all, not much accomplished! [:-banghead]




Hi Mike
First this was the first wood kit I attempted before I joined this forum and I never finished it as I began Foss' Landing with a group project.
What I did with the doors is to position them inside as if the were sliding doors.
Nothing fancy and I can not remember if the instructions mentioned this or not.








While this is crude at least the doors are open and the floor is visible.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/15/2004 3:48:44 PM
Message:

Thanks, John. That was something I thought about doing last night but didn't go beyond thinking about it. After seeing your photos, I may have to revisit the idea. I like the ability to at least partially detail the interior.

I reread the instructions for the doors just now. It says they can be positioned closed or ajar, as desired. I think when I read that last night, I pictured a hinged door ajar but not a large flat panel door. So then I thought about a sliding freight door but didn't go beyond that, as I said.

Thanks for the photos.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/15/2004 11:12:23 PM
Message:

I have added the stove pipe, painted the base, finished weathering the station and sealed it with Dullcoat. Here are the next round of progress photos.









I also began working on the diorama base. The station is shown in its approximate final postion. I am planning on having a creek run in front of the station. I also plan a retaining wall along the creek to "hold up" the tracks. The big pile of foam to the right of the station is for the road and trolley line that will cross the tracks and the creek.



Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 04/15/2004 11:25:08 PM
Message:

Tom - really amazing - I never thought it would look like that. You did a great job tansforming the model into a craftsman's job.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/16/2004 07:15:54 AM
Message:

Tom,
You did a great job on the weathering. I am looking forward to seeing the progress photos on the diorama.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/16/2004 07:42:00 AM
Message:

Looking good Tom,

I had better get a move on this weekend. My diversion with the turntable may not be in the best interests of time management if I am to finish the challenge in time. A powered turntable may have to wait!


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/16/2004 08:03:39 AM
Message:

Great job Tom!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/16/2004 08:29:07 AM
Message:

Very nice Tom.
Your ability to crank out impressive dioramas is now rivaling your ability to weather a fleet of rolling stock.
Look forward to seeing the pile of pink foam turn magically into some scenery.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/16/2004 09:03:58 AM
Message:

Nice work Mike and Tom .
I did the sliding door treatment on both of my Quincy's ...couldn't think of any other way that would look right .
Hey , Tom I like that chimney and the weathering of it .I don't know what you call the trim pieces on either end of the roof ( cornices ? ) but they really compliment your roof .

TERRY


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/16/2004 6:46:19 PM
Message:

Looking good Tom[:-thumbu] Don't forget to post some pics of your landscape as it comes together. Sounds like it will be an interesting scene.

Well, I finished up the loading dock today. Still need some more details and landscape to complete the area.




Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/16/2004 8:43:13 PM
Message:

Ken

It just keeps getting better and better. Keep up the good work!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/16/2004 9:58:22 PM
Message:

Ken , you've done a heck of a job , I must say .The crane is a very nice touch and the deck is perfectly weathered IMO .I hope you get to use this on a layout somewhere . You aren't showing any more pics of the roof , so I guess it's the same . Any changes down the road ? ( not that it's a problem , I didn't think you were 100% on it )

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/16/2004 11:38:07 PM
Message:

Very nice Ken.
I also like the jib crane on your diorama.

To keep Barry and his electric paddles away I have worked on the enclosed stairway to the second floor residence above the gas station.
I hope just enough progress to keep the "Mad Scientist" away.

There are still pieces of cardstock in the project that will eventually be replaced by wood or metal.






Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/17/2004 12:21:44 AM
Message:

I don't know John...after seeing Barry's feathered friend I'd be working 24/7 for awhile.

Your building is coming along nicely[:-thumbu]

Terry, every time I sit down to model I apply another wash of A&I to the roof. I think I have 6 washes on so far and it is looking better.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/17/2004 12:34:23 AM
Message:

Well, this is pretty typical! I spend a day away from this thead and everyone else goes to town on their projects!

Looking really good, guys! It looks like several of these projects are really starting to come together. [:-thumbu]

John, I've decided to do the sliding freight doors also. It makes the most sense to me. Again, thanks for the photo inspiration.


Reply author: TrevorCreek
Replied on: 04/17/2004 07:43:15 AM
Message:

Ken, John,

Looking great. Looking forward to more pics.

Frank B


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/17/2004 08:19:55 AM
Message:

Ken,
The jib crane and loading dock look great.
John,
That outside stairway is a nice touch.


Reply author: Ross Wezmar
Replied on: 04/17/2004 12:40:14 PM
Message:

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R. WEZMAR


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/17/2004 12:56:58 PM
Message:

Ross,
Welcome to the fourm. I also met them at the Springfield Show and picked up some of the cinderblocks. They are well done indeed.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/17/2004 1:09:43 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

Well, this is pretty typical! I spend a day away from this thead and everyone else goes to town on their projects! ...


You're not alone here Mike...I haven't gone to town, or anywhere else with mine![:-ashamed]

Now John, Ken, & Tom, on the other hand, are definitely on the ball! These are some fantastic models, guys! [:-thumbu]

Ross,
Welcome aboard!
I've found this to be a great place to hang out![:-thumbu][:-shades]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/17/2004 5:56:02 PM
Message:

Welcome to the forum Ross.

This thread is really humming along now!
I like the winch scene Ken.
John, Eddie the Emu can now keep a better eye on things!! Refer below. [:-eyebrows]

I have made some progress on the turntable, which forms part of my station diorama. After a kick start by Eddie with the DCC side of the project and some research into available turntables I did a bit of a kit bash and got this working using DCC control. I gave up the idea of a scratchbuilt one due to power feed issues mainly. Here is where I am with it so far. I started with these items:



This has the Atlas turntable under the pit connected to the Atlas girder bridge using plastic piping and wiring. It works quite well using DCC control. I am now working on more detail and the surrounding area. I plan to add an iron roof and mini scene to the hut, a fence and a wooden platform for the track as it extends over the pit a small way to join the table. Some more debris will be added in the pit.


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 04/17/2004 6:23:53 PM
Message:

Here is a link to a hobby shop that sells their stuff
http://www.fshobby.com/fandcb.html


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/17/2004 6:51:52 PM
Message:








A couple of progress photos on the roundhouse , main support beams removed but cement floor is poured and coloured , track rails are loose fit ( have to wire them for DCC )
I used old cigar wood wrappers between the rails weathered in A&I mixture ...don't think it's prototypical but I like it .
On the outside the windows and vents are installed as are the sill plates . The roof will be scratch built from styrene and the 5 front doors scratch built from wood .
I decided to reweather the bricks in mid construction , not a very good way but everything seemed to turn out OK .

TERRY


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/17/2004 7:00:42 PM
Message:

Terry,

It looks like you are making great progress!

quote:
Originally posted by teejay


I used old cigar wood wrappers between the rails weathered in A&I mixture ...don't think it's prototypical but I like it .

TERRY



Is Russ sending you his old cigar wrappers now?


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/17/2004 7:28:11 PM
Message:

Thanks for posting the pics Barry. I was wondering what you were up to. I like what you have done so far. [:-thumbu]

I used the same turntable on my little layout along with the roundhouse. I liked the way it indexed but the noise of that motor and gears drove me nuts.[:-bigeyes]

Keep us updated on your progress.

Terry, cigar wrappers??? Hope it don't go up in smoke...(sorry-couldn't resist)
Looking good [:-thumbu]so far.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/17/2004 7:58:19 PM
Message:

Thanks Ken, I'm hoping having it buried under the pit will help with the noise factor a bit. Haven't heard any other turntable motors so thought they all must be like that. Now I will be listening to it! [:-bigeyes] Which are quieter? I have a lot more detailing to do to get it looking right.

Terry, Looking good. That louvered window is interesting. How are the work pits formed?


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/17/2004 9:47:50 PM
Message:

Barry, everytime I see the pic of the emu I crack up. I keep on thinking it's John after the shock treatment.[:-bigeyes]


I don't know which are quieter but I don't think any could be noisier.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/18/2004 04:00:46 AM
Message:

Terry said that's what I look like!!

I have borrowed some of Karen's cotton make-up pads (don't tell her) to muffle the turntable engine shed a bit and as the turntable itself is embedded in blue styrene the noise level is acceptable. I see how it turns out before worrying about the noise too much.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/18/2004 05:18:57 AM
Message:

Barry , you've done a good job improving the looks of the ugly old Atlas .Straight out of the box it's very toy-like but the girder bridge and heavy weathering do the trick.Nice job .

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/18/2004 08:23:58 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Marken

Barry, everytime I see the pic of the emu I crack up. I keep on thinking it's John after the shock treatment.[:-bigeyes]


Mr. Ken [:-eyebrows]
I will have you know that I look nothing like Eddie the Emu after shock therpy.
Here is what Mr. Barry has turned me into with his crazy shock paddles.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/18/2004 09:06:24 AM
Message:

Is that before or after your first coffee of the day John?

I am stuck on sorting how the track for the station area curves around the turntable and yet is straight for the station platform.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/19/2004 08:20:25 AM
Message:

I've spent the evening making a couple of jigs, one based on Ken's tutorial for fences and another for cutting balsawood. I've also been staining stripwood of various sizes in preparation for the fences that will go around the turntable and parts of the station area.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/19/2004 09:25:47 AM
Message:

I don't get to the forum for a weekend and things really take off. Great work everyone. Now I have to get back to doing things. I am out of PoP so I have to hit AC Moore on the way home tonight.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/20/2004 11:24:50 AM
Message:

This evening I have added a bit more detail to the turntable pit. Only the Shay uses it nowadays so it is on poor repair.

I've more to do to the bridge section, especially underneath and with the line up to the turntable. I will do a wooden bridging section out from the pit walls.




Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/20/2004 12:47:14 PM
Message:

Barry, this looks great! Not only is the turntable looking good, but your scenic detailing in and around the pit is excellent! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

Now about that addition to your signature logo.... [:-bigeyes]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/20/2004 1:02:35 PM
Message:

It's really looking good , Barry , and reminds very much of one that I think Malcolm Furlow did for a magazine about 10 years ago . Is that dirt sifted on the pit floor ? great colouring !

I like your new hand puppet
TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/20/2004 2:42:05 PM
Message:

Thanks very much Mike and Terry, I used a couple of shades of tile grout for the dirt - sandlewood and light brown on top of the chalks that I applied the other day. I'm trying the layer upon layer approach and it seems to be coming up OK. The timber is balsawood stained grey. The grass tufts are from an old shaving brush. The pit is inspired by one I saw in Dave Frary's book.

Eddie the emu is just paying a visit for a while. He will head off again soon.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/20/2004 5:13:39 PM
Message:

Very nice Barry. Some old tires would look good at the bottom of the pit. The colors are great. I guess I need some tile grout.

quote:
Eddie the emu is just paying a visit for a while. He will head off again soon.


Please say it's not so...


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/20/2004 6:40:29 PM
Message:

Barry,
I love what you have done with the turntable! As far as your logo is concerned, if the Emu disappears, can you pop in a koala?


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/20/2004 7:33:01 PM
Message:

Thanks Ken and Bruce, don't worry he won't go far and will return from time to time. There are a couple of tyres in a casting that is just out of shot near the engine room. I've yet to detail that buiding. I might put an old bicycle in the pit which will have two tyres on it!

Maybe a passing parade of Australian flora and fauna is called for.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/20/2004 7:55:07 PM
Message:

Barry
I agree with Ken that Eddie the Emu should remain in your signature.
It is definitely you.
I think we should have a campaign to adopt Eddie as the official mascot of the forum.
Maybe Mike could add him to the logo for Railroad-Line.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/20/2004 8:16:39 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags


Maybe Mike could add him to the logo for Railroad-Line.




Oh great.... Just what I need.... another project. [:-banghead]


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/20/2004 9:15:11 PM
Message:

C'mon Mike, Eddie would look perfect on the back of that SeaDoo[:-bigeyes]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/20/2004 10:36:48 PM
Message:

Yeah , guys , Eddie the E would look good as the engineer in the Diesel Loco design that Mike is currently making headway on .[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes]. Then again , we could have a new thread ' Sundays with Ira , Rick and Eddie '.
Then again , maybe I'll go back to vaccuuming water off the carpet .

TERRY


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/20/2004 10:54:00 PM
Message:

Barrt,
Man, that is one fantastic looking turntable!!
[:-thumbu][:-shades]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/21/2004 12:34:38 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Marken

C'mon Mike, Eddie would look perfect on the back of that SeaDoo[:-bigeyes]



Ken, we don't want to get Eddie put on the endangered species list! Besides Eddie doesn't have a nifty wetsuit like Mike has.

OK, Eddie stays until I can find another startled Aussie animal, maybe I could show them a photo of John's plaster image.

Thanks for the kind words about the turntable. I am finding the modular approach and breaking things up into diorama elements is helping me tackle each section with more focus.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/21/2004 08:36:54 AM
Message:

Barry

Great job on the turntable.

I have to agree with you Barry. Breaking things up into dioramas has rengergized me as far as working on the layout. I am able to focus on one thing and not get lost in the big picture.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/21/2004 08:46:42 AM
Message:

Yes Tom, it's made quite a difference for me. I guess if the overall task is too big, with work and other commitments, it is easier to loose focus. As the turntable will sit quite close to the station it is an important part of the overall diorama.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/21/2004 10:22:07 PM
Message:

Well, tonight I finally finished gluing the individual boards on the interior walls of the station. I also spent about an hour taking flash off of a variety of metal castings that I will use inside and outside the structure. Since I have a meeting at work tomorrow night, the next chance for any progress is Friday evening.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/21/2004 11:03:27 PM
Message:

I also did some more work on the gas station part of my Challenge project.
The interior staircase is installed and I started with the roofs which will be metal.
The paint color is just a primer since I am not sure what color the roofs will end up.
They will however be in good condition with very little rust.
I have a bit of tweeking to do with the roofs that are installed and then add the last roof.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/22/2004 12:57:10 AM
Message:

John

Things are looking real good with your project!

Well I finally had a chance to work on the project tonight. I was able to carve the rock wall that will border along the creek.

Here are some photos. I apologize, the lighting is terrible.













Many thanks to Mike C. for his how to on rock walls.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/22/2004 02:51:54 AM
Message:

Nicely carved rock wall Tom.
Did it take you long?
Did you use a real wall as a reference or freehand it?

John, that's shaping up well. Glad to see you can get a bit of modelling in with all the things happening for you.

I purchased shallower turnouts for the station area so I can lay some track.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/22/2004 07:40:06 AM
Message:

John, I really like those boards on the side of your building. Very well done.

Tom, good looking wall. I'm thinking of doing something similar and bought a 3 lb bag of Sculptamold last night.

I worked some more on my diorama base last night. I redid most of it. It looks better than version 1.0 but it's still lacking.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/22/2004 08:52:58 AM
Message:

Thanks guys for the compliments.

Barry

It took me about 15 minutes to add the soupy PoP mixture to the poured wall. It was about an hour later that I had the time to start carving. The carving took about an hour and an half. I freehanded it from memory. One thing about being a highway designer is that you see a lot of rock walls. One of my goals is at work today or tomorrow is pull some pictures of old abutments and bridges to get help me with the bridge abutments on the diorama.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/22/2004 09:00:21 AM
Message:

I'll echo what Rick had to say , John , the boards really catch your eye .It's really starting to take shape and the choice of a metal roof is good for that kind of building.
[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

Tom looks like you enjoy working with the PoP walls like I did .It's a good material to work with and the price is right . Nice work.

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/22/2004 09:16:38 AM
Message:

John, you've really captured the look and feel of an 'old time" country gas station and store. Nice work!

Tom, your carved wall looks really good. What are you going to use to stain it? I've used WS Scenery Colors in the past or my own craft paint stains, but now Nick has gotten me excited about trying water color pigments for staining plaster castings.

I'm going back to the Lake this morning for a couple of days. I hope to be able to spend some time on my station project while there.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/22/2004 5:21:32 PM
Message:

John,

That wood does look great[:-thumbu][:-thumbu] Can't wait to see what you do with the roof.

Tom,

I like the wall. I was amazed at how easy the stuff carves when I did my foundation. Keep us updated.[:-thumbu]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/22/2004 5:29:55 PM
Message:

Tom I like your rockwork.
I think you took good notes from Mike's lecture on painting rockwork.

I have been playing around with my new found ability to make signs.(Thanks again Chuck)
I will need some signs for the gas station.
The following are just a couple I made.
They may or may not end up on the structure.
However the Dutchman's Texaco will be there as Bruce got me started with the initial kit.
First did I spell your name correctly as I would like to have the name correct.










I am waiting for a package with all the Texaco products to arrive from First Place Hobbies.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/22/2004 6:24:16 PM
Message:

I thought that I would check in before the Board Meeting.

Ken & John, it looks like you are making great progress.[:-thumbu]

John, seeing those signs brought a much needed smile to my face. Yes, you have my name correct. I usually put a space between the "De" and the "Young" -- i.e De Young, but either way is fine. Many thanks for thinking of doing that.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/22/2004 6:36:16 PM
Message:

Hi Bruce
I almost spelled it that way since when I was a kid the neighbor across the street was named Robert Ten Eyck.
Yes another Dutchman and he separated the Ten from the Eyck which means that this must be common with Dutch names.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 04/22/2004 6:59:02 PM
Message:

I like the signs, John. Very nice!

Chuck


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/23/2004 08:09:56 AM
Message:

Well I did do a little work on the diorama base. I added some more foam pieces to help shape the embankment. Next I am hoping to make the forms for the abutment and wing wall for the trolley line and roadway bridges. Here a few photos of my latest progress.





I am thinking of making the highway bridge a thru girder bridge. Many of the longer span bridges in this area that were built in the early part of the 20th century were thru girders. This is especially true of bridges that were built by the railroads. Another aspect of these bridges is many were constructed with stone masonry abutments and wing walls. I will most likely have to scratchbuild the girders for this bridge. One question that I have is how do I make rivets?


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/23/2004 10:41:35 AM
Message:

Your diorama base is coming along nicely, Tom!

quote:
Originally posted by TomPM

I will most likely have to scratchbuild the girders for this bridge. One question that I have is how do I make rivets?




Assuming you're going to use styrene for the girders... some modelers use a pounce wheel on the backside of thin styrene. The impressions leave a rivet-like bump on the front side. Another route might be to use N-B-W's. Grandt Line makes N-B-W's, some of which look enough like rivets to pass (unless you're a purist). You could simply cut the stems off the N-B-W's and glue the heads to the girder pieces, or - if you really want to go to the work - drill the girders and install the "rivets" that way.

------------------------

Well, it was another evening of frustration for me last night. [:-banghead] I have mentioned in the past my difficulties with the wood wall pieces falling apart during the early stages of construction. They would simply break for no apparent reason. Of course, I finally got the walls assembled and the basic structure erected. Last night, I cut and sanded the roof beams to length and started to glue them to the gabled ends of the walls. You guessed it [:-irked] - the top half of one gabled wall splintered and broke into two pieces just as I finished inserting the roof beam. So I had to remove the beam and make repairs to the end wall before I could go on. [:-banghead]

I have never had a kit (and certainly not a Campbell kit) with wood that seemed to "crumble" like this one. I don't believe it's the fault of the kit maker. I think the wood is just bad, and I happened to get stuck with it. But I will prevail. One way or the other, I will prevail!


Reply author: TrevorCreek
Replied on: 04/23/2004 10:58:58 AM
Message:

Tom,

Tichy sells rivets. I am using them now for making masters of oil tanks. They are very nice. The Grandtline ones tend to have the head offset from the shaft and when inserted into the hole, do not line up. Here is the link to the Tichy page:

http://www.tichytraingroup.com/index.php?page=view_category.php&category=NBW+%26+Rivets&offset=0

Frank B


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 04/23/2004 12:31:50 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

I have been playing around with my new found ability to make signs.(Thanks again Chuck)



Hey, John, help me out. What do you mean by this? Did I miss something about making signs?
Thanks


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/23/2004 12:52:38 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by ETinBH

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

I have been playing around with my new found ability to make signs.(Thanks again Chuck)



Hey, John, help me out. What do you mean by this? Did I miss something about making signs?
Thanks


Hi Elliott
A while back Chuck(wvrr) did a tutorial on making signs using the computer.
This is the thread from the archives that explains his technique.
If you have a specific question about this I think if you ask Chuck he would be more than happy to answer.
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4824


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/23/2004 12:58:59 PM
Message:

Tom , a few years back I bought a Campbell's girder bridge that was to be constructed from wood and paper with rivets to be embossed on the paper . I'll dig it out and try to get a pic tonight . Once painted or weathered it looked pretty good . You can judge for yourself . It would be easier than using styrene I think .

TERRY


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/23/2004 1:07:20 PM
Message:

John & Tom,
Great work guys! [:-thumbu]
It's really great watching all these projects come together!
Mike,
There must be some kind of osmosis happening on this forum, 'cause it sounds like you're having my kind of luck with your project!
I don't have any doubt about you, though...you will "prevail"! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 04/23/2004 1:52:19 PM
Message:

Elliott,

As John said, I would be more that willing to answer your questions about making your own signs. If I don't, pop me an e-mail directly. Work has been brutal and my time spent on the forum is inconsistent, to say the least.

Chuck


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 04/23/2004 2:15:40 PM
Message:

Well I see everybody's projects are coming along very nicely! [:-thumbu] As usual no progress has been made on mine[:-paperbag] ,and with my current workload it's not looking good (how can I be this busy when I'm retired?) for progress anytime soon. [:-turtle]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/23/2004 5:11:49 PM
Message:

Tom , this is obviously still in primer ...built it several years ago and have to weather it , but you can see the paper rivets , pretty good and easy for HO .

TERRY




Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/23/2004 8:14:28 PM
Message:

Tom
You are making good progress with your diorama base.
Terry
Did the paper come embossed with the rivets which look quite good?

I have not done much on the actual model but have been playing around making signs that I will use.
This picture is old but I wanted to show the 2 structures that will be represented on the diorama.
On the left is the gas station and on the right is a marine supply store.





The gas station is named for Bruce(Dutchman) since he supplied me with the model from which I am kitbashing the structures.
Here is the latest version of the sign.



The building on the right is named for Mike(Mike C) for on each and every craftsmans kit I have built, I have used some technique that I learned here on this forum from Mike.




I am still not completely happy with the fonts that I have picked.
So I will probably keep making new signs before I choose a final one.



Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/23/2004 8:45:13 PM
Message:

Hey, John, I'm honored!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/23/2004 9:03:13 PM
Message:

Mike
I really wanted a picture of a Sea-Doo for the sign.
I am still looking.
I wonder if anyone makes a model of one.
Also I wonder if I can find a LP wearing a wet suit that I could pose in front of the business.


Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 04/23/2004 10:29:22 PM
Message:

Hey John,
Hope this helps!



Just couldn't resist for such a worthy endeavor.[:-angel]
-david j


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/23/2004 10:40:55 PM
Message:

Terry thanks for the information and the photos the bridge looks great! John your buildings are looking better and better.

I just had a diaster. I was puring the PoP for the abutment when suddenly one of the forms shifted. Now there is PoP all over the place. I fixed what I could, turned out the light and came upstairs to look over the forums and whistle a happy tune. We will see what a few hours bring.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/23/2004 10:51:59 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by sparkman

Hey John,
Hope this helps!



Just couldn't resist for such a worthy endeavor.[:-angel]
-david j



David
[:-jump]Thank you, Thank you[:-jump]
That is just what I was looking for.
Now all I need is a HO scale model and a little person in a wet suit to complete my project.[:-eyebrows]


Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 04/23/2004 11:17:13 PM
Message:

Your welcome John.
-david j


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 04/23/2004 11:38:56 PM
Message:

John, the structures look great and the signs are coming along nicely. I agree with you though that the font does not quite fit in with the one for Mike, I'm wondering if you have tried a font called "poor richard" it has a real nice old time style.Maybe one shade darker on the background as well Just my two cents I hope you can use them,Pat.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/24/2004 12:14:25 AM
Message:

"...old time..." I love it, Pat!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/24/2004 01:18:33 AM
Message:

John, If you can get any LP to look like Mike does in his wetsuit it will make the cover of every MR magazine in the land!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/24/2004 08:30:07 AM
Message:

John and Tom , it's been so long since I made the bridge ( box and destructions are long gone )I honestly can't remember about the rivets but I'm leaning toward embossed paper .There is probably a tool out now that will make rivets in paper .i've got a homemade rivet maker for my brass ON30 loco but of course it is too much for working with paper .

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/24/2004 08:30:51 AM
Message:

quote:
John, If you can get any LP to look like Mike does in his wetsuit it will make the cover of every MR magazine in the land!


OK.... now back to reality...

I got the walls patched, repaired, whatever.... and moved on. The front deck (i.e., passenger/freight platform) is finished, and I have one of the rear decks constructed but not attached yet. For that particular deck, I decided to build it just half the length called for in the plans. That will leave me room next to the building itself for an REA truck , perhaps, or some other details. Progress photos will have to wait until next week . I've got to leave for the city in a few minutes and don't have time to set the camera up this morning.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/25/2004 7:46:40 PM
Message:

Thanks to Chuck's great tutorial i am finding all kinds of different signs that I can make for my Challenge project.
Here is the latest one for the structure on the right.
It has changed from a Marine supply store to a Sea-Doo dealership.




I am not sure if this will be a roof top sign or a billboard.


Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 04/25/2004 8:28:40 PM
Message:

John,
Most definitely a billboard.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/25/2004 9:43:28 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by sparkman

John,
Most definitely a billboard.



...and in the background, where it can't cause some hapless engineer who sees it to reel around the cab in stunned disbelief until he derails his train... or begins poking sharp objects into his eyes.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/25/2004 11:22:22 PM
Message:

Well as I posted before, I had some troubles with the abutment. As I was pouring the PoP one of the forms shifted and PoP spilled out in several locations. I quickly tried to fix the situation. I had PoP everywhere. After a few hours I finished the pour. The next I removed the forms and relieved a not perfect wall but a useable one. I did have to remove quite bit of extra PoP in places. I then went over the wall with a soupy PoP mix and added texture to the PoP. Next I carved the wall. I am not sure yet how I am going to do the cap. I have seen some that use stone and others that have a concrete cap poured.

Here are some pictures that show the abutment wall.



A couple of close-ups





Next is the wing wall. You can see some of the area where one of the spills occured. Sorry about the lighting but that was the best I could do for it.



Now a few of the top:





And lastly here is one with the creek wall in the foreground.



Mike to answer your question regarding what I was going to use to "paint" the rocks. I was planning on using the Folk Art craft paint washes or similar colors like I did with the rock face on the water tower diorama.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/25/2004 11:52:43 PM
Message:

Tom, this looks good to me. You did a nice job of stippling and carving the rock faces for the walls. I'm looking forward to seeing updates after you've stained all of it.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/26/2004 06:52:59 AM
Message:

Tom,
It looks lilke you are becoming a real PoP Artist. Seriously, it looks very good.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/26/2004 07:47:02 AM
Message:

Tom
Very nice job of salvaging what could have been a total disaster.
Look forward to pictures when the rocks have some color.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/26/2004 8:55:10 PM
Message:

Tom, looks like one of those SH moments I'm sure you'll have no problem fixing the situation[:-thumbu]Stones look good so far.

Well, it's been details, details and more details. I think this must be paint some castings month.





I salvaged the Jordan project car...at least one side of it.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/26/2004 9:03:11 PM
Message:

Ken, well it has been worth it then my friend. That is fantastic.


Reply author: Ross Wezmar
Replied on: 04/26/2004 9:24:33 PM
Message:

Nice model. Where can I down load the plans. I noticed they were available but have been unable to locate them.

Ross W.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/26/2004 9:25:53 PM
Message:

Ken
Great job with the diorama.
You are becoming the fence specialist around these parts.
Also you were correct it does look "normal"


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/26/2004 10:09:10 PM
Message:

Ken

Great job with the details on the diorama!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 04/26/2004 10:17:01 PM
Message:

Ken,
A mighty fine job on the details! Glad that you could salvage the car. It looks fine from this angle.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/27/2004 12:10:16 AM
Message:

Ken , it's a shame the owner of that '28 let it rust out considering how much it would be worth today
Beautiful work . Boy , those folks a rough on garbage cans too ![:-bigeyes2]

TERRY


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 04/27/2004 07:46:18 AM
Message:

Ken, all the work on the details was worth it. Very nice work.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/27/2004 09:55:55 AM
Message:

Ken, the car looks great! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu] The entire scene is quite realistic!


Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 04/27/2004 10:26:07 AM
Message:

Way to go Ken!


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 04/27/2004 4:18:47 PM
Message:

Ken, very nice work! Tom all I'm getting is red x's.


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 04/27/2004 4:34:27 PM
Message:

Ken,

What a great scene. I like the rocks piled in the middle, something I would not have thought of. Excellent work.

Jim


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/27/2004 4:36:16 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Tyson Rayles

Ken, very nice work! Tom all I'm getting is red x's.


Hi tyson
I just checked the properties for Tom's images which were fine before and he is apparently linked to pictures on railimages which must be down.
I would assume when they come back up so will his pictures.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/27/2004 8:31:01 PM
Message:

Thanks for the kind words everyone [:-thumbu]


quote:
Also you were correct it does look "normal"



John, I'm not done yet...[:-eyebrows]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/27/2004 10:45:49 PM
Message:

Yep, Rail Images is down. Been down for over a day now. Apparently they are having problems with their host turning the site back on after they exceeded their bandwidth allotment. From what the administrators have said it is not a problem with money. They have enough to pay for it and it is supposed to be automatic and has been paid. They just can't seem to get the switch turned back on. I use it because it is convenient. I can post the photo in one place and use it elsewhere. This way I don’t have to load the photos multiple times to different forums and such.

If it doesn't come back soon I will have to think of something.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/27/2004 11:48:36 PM
Message:

Tom, I have never used Rail Images before, but I do know that every so often others have commented on problems with the system being down/off.

As for using the same photo on multiple forums, you can still do that, with or without Rail Images. Upload your photo here to RR-L from your hard drive. When you want to post the same photo at the Gauge or RRF, simply use the upload info from this forum in your other posts. The photo file info will cross-load from one forum to another. I have done it on several occasions with no problems. Just remember to use the [img] tags on either/both of the other forums.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/28/2004 09:06:10 AM
Message:

Mike

I currently have close to 300 images over at Rail Images. Up until now I have not seen a problem with their site. Last year their host pulled the plug on them without warning because they "used to much space". The host then held thier images hostage unless they paid to get them back. Which they did not.

I have the "problems" with the Photo Album here at RRL. I can't edit or delete any photos once they are loaded to the album. I know that this is a software problem and that the creator of the software refuses to fix it. The same thing has happened over at RRF. Right now RRF has space limitations regarding embedding photos. That problem is being worked on right now and hopefully will be resolved shortly.

I guess I will wait and see what happens.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/28/2004 09:50:30 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by TomPM


I have the "problems" with the Photo Album here at RRL. I can't edit or delete any photos once they are loaded to the album. I know that this is a software problem and that the creator of the software refuses to fix it. The same thing has happened over at RRF. Right now RRF has space limitations regarding embedding photos. That problem is being worked on right now and hopefully will be resolved shortly.




Tom, I wasn't referring to using the Photo Album. I know that's buggy as all getout. I can't even load a photo to it and gave up trying a long time ago. (And it was the same situation for me at RRF.) What I was referring to was was using the "Insert a File" button in the "Posting Form" window (where you type and edit your posts). If you have your photos stored on your computer's hard disk, you can upload them directly to a post on the forum. Then just use the "address" assigned by RR-L software for your posted photo when you want to post it at the Gauge, for example.

Here are links to two tutorials on how to upload and/or resize photos for direct posting. The process completely bypasses the Photo Album. You don't need it at all.

http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4761

http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5383


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/28/2004 1:12:19 PM
Message:

OK Mike, now I understand.

I tried it once before a while ago and could not get it to work, but now I will give it another try.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/28/2004 9:30:31 PM
Message:

Well I have not done any additional work on the project since I have been busy packing and cleaning.
However I did receive a package of details that I will use on the project.
The flatbed is from Boley, the Alaska State Police Car and the wrecker are form Trident and the gas station details are from JL Innovative Design.
There are details to be added such as the nozzles on the gas pumps and details for the police car and wrecker.
Also JR no Dull-Cote has been applied but it will be.





Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/28/2004 11:48:44 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags


Also JR no Dull-Cote has been applied but it will be.




To yourself, or to the detail parts, John? [:-tong2]


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 04/29/2004 07:07:09 AM
Message:

John the details for the gas station pumps you mentoined do they come with the stuff you bought or is that something you have to make?


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/29/2004 07:51:16 AM
Message:

John

Looks like you got yourself a nice collection of stuff there. Looking forward to seeing it all it's proper places.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/29/2004 07:53:52 AM
Message:

Hi Pat
They are something I bought.
The different manufacturers are listed in the post with the pictures.
I bought them through First Place Hobbies which is mail order with reasonable prices compared to Walthers.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 04/29/2004 09:30:00 AM
Message:

John, For heavens sake man, get the dullcote on those service station items fast! I just found a great model of a 1951 General Motors Holden Ute (iconic Australian car) for the On30 diorama but it also needs a dose of dullcote. I care far too much for my fellow RR-L crew members to show a photo of it before that dullcote is applied! Then again, would I miss even the slightest chance to get in a dullcote comment for JR. I think not!! [:-devil]


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 04/29/2004 2:08:14 PM
Message:

John I was talking about the hose and nozzle parts I read where you got them.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/29/2004 3:05:24 PM
Message:

Hi Pat
The hose and nozzle are included with the gas pumps.
Since I only received them a couple of hours before I posted I did not have a chance to glue them on.
That is also why I did not Dullcote the details.

Mike I heard the a whiff a day of Dull-cote keeps the doctor away so I am doing another of my experiments to see if this is true or not.
The stuff definitely cleans out the sinus cavities and makes my head spin.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 04/29/2004 8:17:56 PM
Message:

Barry, nice Dulcoat moment...How's the turntable coming along?

Added a few more details to the project.







One more truck and some lights and I should be done.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 04/29/2004 10:40:18 PM
Message:

Ken

All I can say is WOW!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 04/29/2004 11:03:08 PM
Message:

Top Notch , Ken , and a few lp's will do the trick .That is really fine work .

TERRY


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 04/30/2004 01:01:12 AM
Message:

Ken,

Nice, very nice. Not to take away from your structure, but I particular like the truck. Thanks for the photos.

Jim


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/30/2004 07:48:36 AM
Message:

Wow Ken!
That is absolutly AMAZING!
My hat is off to you, my friend!
That is truly a masterpiece!
[:-thumbu]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/30/2004 08:47:32 AM
Message:

Boy, when Mike started these "Challenge" threads, he sure got that CHALLENGE part right![:-bigeyes2][:-banghead]
Since starting, I have thunk, & re-thunk this thing...taken a step, then 2 steps back...scrapped the roofs, & scrapped the platform...[:-boggled][:-crazy]
So here's where I am at this point...
I have psrt of a roof, & I've decided to use this piece of 040 styrene as a platform...




I've been sidetracked by my little watertank bash, so I need to get back to work on the station![:-ashamed]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/30/2004 09:06:17 AM
Message:

Ken
Great job.
I am still waiting for that little extra that you are famous for.
Drew
If you do not get back to work Barry will be after you with his electronic gismos.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/30/2004 09:17:58 AM
Message:

Ken, that is an absolutely excellent diorama!

The detailing is outstanding, and the whole scene is very convincing!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 04/30/2004 09:27:18 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Drew
[br
Since starting, I have thunk, & re-thunk this thing...taken a step, then 2 steps back...scrapped the roofs, & scrapped the platform...[:-boggled][:-crazy]




Wow! Does that sound familiar, Drew. That's about where I am with my project. I'm ready to scrap the rest of the kit components and just scratchbuild the remainder of the station. I just need to do some thunking and rethunking on the whole sitchyation.

You may have taken "2 steps back," but your project is really looking good. I like the overall appearance of the station. It's got nice "lines." [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/30/2004 09:47:15 AM
Message:

Thanks Mike!
I'm "thunking" right now that I'm going to end up scratchbuilding the whole thing too!
But hey...maybe that's not a bad thing...(ya thunk?)

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

....Drew
If you do not get back to work Barry will be after you with his electronic gismos.


[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2][:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2]
I'm not sure I knoow what that means (don't think I want to) but it sounds scarey enough that I'm headed for the workbench right now!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 04/30/2004 12:35:15 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Drew

quote:
Originally posted by Bbags

....Drew
If you do not get back to work Barry will be after you with his electronic gismos.


[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2][:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2]
I'm not sure I knoow what that means (don't think I want to) but it sounds scarey enough that I'm headed for the workbench right now!



Drew
Back somewhere in this thread I mentioned that I had not been working on the Challenge and needed a jump start and the next thing I know there is a picture of Barry ready to give me one.
We have kept him away for a while and I would hate to see him come knocking at your door.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 04/30/2004 1:02:28 PM
Message:

OMG![:-bigeyes2]
OK...OK...I'm getting back to work!
Please...don't hurt me!
[:-bigeyes2][:-boggled][:-crazy]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/02/2004 10:50:44 AM
Message:

Well, after much thunking and rethunking, I spent yesterday afternoon disassembling some of the wall sections on my station and rebracing and reassembling them. Now the warps and bows are gone and the joints are actually square. More importantly, though, I decided not to fight with the kit wood anymore and brought several packages of stripwood from home with me. I rebuilt one of the docks yesterday afternoon (board-by-board) and now it fits against the building like it should. The remaining dock, which is the largest of the 3 docks, will be built the same way. I also will build the dock roofs, stairs, etc, from stripwood and toss the kit wood.

I'll try to get a picture to post sometime today or tomorrow.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/02/2004 12:23:31 PM
Message:

Well, it looks like we are at various stages of completion on this project. Ken, you are leading the pack! Beautiful diorama! As for me, I am bringing up the rear.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/02/2004 7:54:38 PM
Message:

A couple of updates .Things will be slowed somewhat as I found that one of the plastic walls from the kit is warped a bit .When I tried to install the 5 scratch built door frames the warp became apparent .Back to the drawing board . I may have to drill holes in the base of the wall and the foundation to insert support pegs to keep it straight .





TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/02/2004 8:54:34 PM
Message:

[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes] That's really impressive, Terry! The stone work is outstanding as is the brick work!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/02/2004 9:36:32 PM
Message:

looking real good Terry!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/02/2004 10:32:36 PM
Message:

Terry,
It is great to see a complex project really come together.[:-thumbu]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/02/2004 10:46:59 PM
Message:

Looking real good Terry.
I am sure you will figure a way the rectify your little problem.
While not as massive a project as Terry's I was able to work a little in 1:87 scale.
This is a shed that was added to the back of Chamber's Marine Supply.
I still have to add the main roof and the door is not painted or glued into it's opening.





Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/03/2004 12:06:10 AM
Message:

John, that is an excellent example of scratchbuilding!

The boards and nail holes are outstanding!


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 05/03/2004 12:14:29 AM
Message:

John,

Looks great. I like the way the corners of the shed are weathered, very prototypical. Did the siding shingles on the Marine Supply come with the kit or are they your creation?? Looks good.

Jim


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 05/03/2004 02:34:01 AM
Message:

Some real progress is being made by many on the challenge project.

John, that addition adds a lot of character to the building.

Terry, I'm sure you will sort out the warping issue.

Ken, you have done so well with your extra detailing.

Now that I've got the first module frame done I can start building up the diorama elements.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/03/2004 06:43:58 AM
Message:

John,
That is a neat little shed. The coloring on the siding of the shed is terrific!


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 05/03/2004 06:57:08 AM
Message:

I'm not sure about this but I thought that you could heat the plastic in the oven make it flat by laying it on a flat surface like a cookie sheet or something, please double check this before trying it.Pat


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/03/2004 07:53:19 AM
Message:

Terry, your roundhouse is coming together nicely. Good job painting the stones and bricks.

John, fantastic job on those boards. Great colors, nail holes and grain. Roof is looking good too.


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 05/03/2004 08:11:29 AM
Message:

Terry,
The roundhouse is looking very nice. I like the combination of brick and stone.

John,
The walls of your model look great. Nicely weathered.

Chuck


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/03/2004 08:30:58 AM
Message:

Thank you everyone.
Jim the shingles are just Campbells.
The original kit had the wall covered with metal siding which I tried but did not like.
Harry then posted a shingled wall from RR Camp which gave me the idea to use shingles.
I want to try some wood shingles next but I just have not had the time to do them.
Rick the roof on the shed was the one that I originally made for Fennimore's but did not like it on that structure.
Glad I saved it for it is a perfect fit for this little shed.
I have ordered the "Shack Pack" from Bar Mills as I think these little shacks can be incorporated very nicely into this project.
I am trying to model the look that as the business expanded the owners(Bruce and Mike) just kept adding to the original buildings.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/03/2004 08:31:42 AM
Message:

Thanks guys . The tracks are wired to ready them for DCC. The soldering went pretty good , meaning I didn't burn my leg or solder the dog .The cement floors worked out pretty good and I made 3 workbenches that you can't see in the picture . I do notice in the pic that I overdid the drywall compound 'mortar' between the bricks , have to take a tooth brush to it ...lets see where's the wifes toothbrush ?[:-bigeyes]
I was wondering if the coloured stone was too much , but in travelling to an out -of-the-way
Hobby Shop for sculpt-a-mold on Saturday , I noticed a building with the same coloured stone ...looked pretty cool!

TERRY


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/03/2004 08:34:19 AM
Message:

OOPS , almost forgot John ...I've gone back to look at that shed several times .It's a nice touch to that building and you've done a great job . Love the roof patches .

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/03/2004 09:07:59 AM
Message:

John

Great job. The shed looks wonderful!

I wish I could say that I have made some progress but I have not. I tried last night but I just couldn't get in the mood. I have not worked on the project in close to two weeks now or so it seems.

I guess I had better otherwise some guy with paddles will be looking for me.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/03/2004 09:51:48 AM
Message:

I spent last evening building freight doors and docks from Northeastern stripwood. The doors are mostly finished but not installed yet.

The back dock is in the photo below. It's nothing fancy or creative, to be sure. There will be a roof over half the dock, so I used two different colors for the wood to simulate the different effects of weathering on shaded and unshaded wood.

Next weekend I hope to get started on building a large dock which goes on the opposite end of the building. I will build it from stripwood also.

I looked at the calendar yesterday and realized that time is flying by. I think I'll be doing good just to get the basic structure finished by the deadline. [:-banghead]





Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/03/2004 7:11:19 PM
Message:

Mike,
I know the problems that you have encountered with this kit, but it looks very good.

I have finished "paneling" the interior of the station, and am now considering next steps. Since a good part of June is lost as far as modeling is concerned because of the evening commitments at work, I only have about 5 weeks left to work on the project. I also think that I will not finish in the alloted time.

Here are some progress photos.





Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/03/2004 8:37:28 PM
Message:

Bruce
That is turning into one very magnificent model.
I just hope that if you run out of time to complete the structure you will not put it back on the shelf but finish it so that we can all see the final product.

Mike
I am watching the alterations to your station as I would like to finish mine someday.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/03/2004 8:53:43 PM
Message:

Bruce, I have to agree with John. I'd really like to see how this turns out. You're doing a great job on it so far. [:-thumbu]

Peksy deadlines, anyway...[:-grumpy]


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/03/2004 9:16:20 PM
Message:

Great progress being made by you guys.

Some really nice looking projects.[:-thumbu]

I'm working on the last truck for my project along with some more details.

I hope the next challenge includes the original segment again.

I've got some more wood left and a bottle of WS water... [:-eyebrows]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/03/2004 9:18:06 PM
Message:

Mike and Bruce , the both of you may be concerned with being slow but the quality is sure there .I've got 2 Quincy's and one is pretty drab looking ,so after seeing Mike's I may redo it ...some year .


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/03/2004 10:19:05 PM
Message:

Mike and Bruce

Great work guys! You just blow me a way with the deatil you can do.

Well I am trying to get to the basement and start some work.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/03/2004 11:01:06 PM
Message:

Well I was able to work some more on the project thanks to a day of rain.
I have 2 walls done on another little shed addition.
I also painted the metal roofs of the gas station.
It is a Texaco station so I picked red.
Floquil Signal Red to be exact.
While the colors are quite bright now they will be weathered which will I hope make them less red.
The roof on the Marine Supply Company is just primer as I have not decided on a color yet.








Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/04/2004 6:29:35 PM
Message:

Looking good John [:-thumbu] Nice to see some bright colors from you.

I need some advice. This is the truck I'm working on...





I want to put some chain on to hold the skids. The only problem is the chain I have is brass and I want to weather it. Any suggestions? The chain is very fine and I don't want to clog the links with rust or paint.

Any tips welcome...[:-headphones]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/04/2004 7:00:47 PM
Message:

Ken
A-West sells Blacken-It which instantly blackens metal except Aluminum or Stainless, so the bottle says.
I have used it on wire and I think it would do the job quite well on a chain.
I got mine from a LHS.

I have to weather the roof so the color will fade somewhat but since it is a business and since Texaco uses red in their ads I figured I would go with the red even if it clashes a little with the red wood.


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 05/04/2004 7:02:19 PM
Message:

Ken,

I have had good results with the product "Blacken-it" for weathering chains. Then a light wash of your color of choice.

John, we posted at almost the same time. BTW, do you have enough Texaco decals? I have a few that I'll never use.

Jim


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/04/2004 7:20:01 PM
Message:

Hi Jim
I would be more than happy to take any extras.
Actually I have zero at the moment and was only using the signs I printed on the computer.
Thanks


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/04/2004 8:07:52 PM
Message:

John,
The model is looking great! A little weathering on that roof, and a few of Jim's decals, and the place will be almost ready for business.

Ken,
I have watched the Great Model Railroad videos about the Franklin & South Manchester several times. George Selios mentions that he has friends that build the vehicles for him. Now I am sure that all of us on the forum consider you a friend, if you get my drift. Boy do you have a way with those vehicles!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/04/2004 8:39:29 PM
Message:

John

The sattion is looking great! Nice job.

Ken

Another wonderful detail item. The truck looks great!

I did something last night. I dipped some paper towels in a wet plaster solution and made an embankment. Maybe I'm on the road to redemption. I'll know if it is true if I make to the basement tonight. Just got back from a T-ball game. I have to run out now and get my daughter from Irish dance class and then check her homework.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/04/2004 8:44:19 PM
Message:

Thanks Bruce


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/04/2004 9:42:22 PM
Message:

Ken , just a suggestion , trucks like that usually had side mirrors and a windshield visor on them .It might just make a great truck look even better .The chain should look good .

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/04/2004 9:54:26 PM
Message:

Ken
I forgot to mention in the last post that I also like the truck.

The Marine Supply and Sea-Doo dealership is almost ready to open.
Just some detailing to be done, more weathering and build a stand for the billboard and then this part of the diorama will be complete.






Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 05/04/2004 10:34:43 PM
Message:

I love it!!!!!!!!!!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/04/2004 10:42:58 PM
Message:




Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/04/2004 11:03:30 PM
Message:

I love it, John! [:-thumbu]

By the way, have you seen my license plate?




Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/04/2004 11:35:59 PM
Message:

Great sign, John!


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/05/2004 12:10:34 AM
Message:

Ken:

There is a chemical blackener called Blackin It. I believe it's available from Walthers. This will chemically blacken you chain beautifully. Or just get Campbell chain it comes blackened as does A-Line chain i believe.

Karl s


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 05/05/2004 02:07:45 AM
Message:

John,

Love the sign....it's the content I'm worried about. But it does keep that wetsuit picture from getting lost or misplaced.

Jim


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 05/05/2004 07:47:10 AM
Message:

Great signs, John!

Chuck


Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 05/05/2004 09:42:48 AM
Message:

Way to go John!
[:-jump2][:-thumbu]
-david j


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/05/2004 09:51:00 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by ANo10


But it does keep that wetsuit picture from getting lost or misplaced.

Jim



Some things just never change. When I was a boy, my father would frequently ask me if I ever used my head for anything besides a hat rack. I don't remember what my reply was, but as you can see, I apparently grew up to become a clothing rack.


Reply author: Rusty Stumps
Replied on: 05/05/2004 10:04:51 AM
Message:

John, Sign looks great.

Mike, As to that plate, I thought an English teacher could spell? WHATEVER!(chuckle)


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/05/2004 10:31:26 AM
Message:

I may not be able to spell, but I can sure count. The DMV allows only 7 characters on a plate.

One of the funniest reactions I have ever gotten to my plate occurred in a grocery store parking lot about 2 years ago. My wife and I were headed toward my car when I noticed a little old lady (probably in her late 70's-early 80's) in the car parked "catty-corner" to mine waving at us. My wife walked over to the old woman to see what she wanted. Suddenly, she started laughing really hard and came back to our car. When I asked her what was so funny, she said the old woman pointed at my license and asked, "Does that mean you like to watch?" The old lady had a big grin on her face as I backed out.

And now back to model building.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/05/2004 7:35:27 PM
Message:

Wow!
You guys are making AMAZING progress!
Mike,
You could have told that woman, "No, but I do like to model things."
I think your scratchbuilt version of the station is going to turn out better than the kit you started with! [:-thumbu]
John,
All the signs & weathering look super! [:-shades]
Ken,
Great work on the trucks & loads! [:-thumbu]

As usual, I don't have to much progress of my own to report...
I scribed the 040 styrene with a razor saw, & painted it to look like wood for a station platform...






I've also ended up with a window & a not5ched wall that I'd like to try & hide...



solution - CHIMNEY! So I'm making one from strips of styrene& H&R brick sheet...







Next, I've go [:-crazy]tto get going on getting a roof on this place!


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/05/2004 10:05:09 PM
Message:

Nice work on the roof and chimney Drew[:-thumbu]
Plastic never looked so good.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/06/2004 12:03:32 AM
Message:

Drew, you've really got the touch when it comes to modeling realistic looking wood from styrene! [:-thumbu] And your chimney is going to be a really nice looking solution to the notched wall problem. [:-thumbu]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/06/2004 08:31:04 AM
Message:

Great work Drew!


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/06/2004 2:03:41 PM
Message:

Thanks guys!
I really appreciate the nice words!
This project has been gathering some dust, & I've been kinda frustrated with it from the begining...I just can't seem to get on a roll with this one...I never know what's gonna happen till it happens though...so I guess I'`ll just keep pluggin' at it!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/07/2004 08:42:15 AM
Message:

Finally I have some progress photos of the passenger station diorama/challenge project. I recently contoured the land with PoP soaked paper towels and then went over them with a thin coat of PoP. I also used the PoP to fill in some gaps and smooth out the surface. I laid the roadbed for the tracks.





Here is a photo showing the embankment.



This one shows the roadbed for th trolley line. Since I have not completely settled on a bridge for the trolley line I could wind up ripping this up.



The last photo has the passenger station place temporarily in it’s approximate location on the diorama.



Next I plan to stain the rock wall and abutment. Then I will lay the track. Two reasons for holding off on the track laying. 1. I don’t want to get paint on it while I am staining the rocks. 2. I need to buy some.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/07/2004 09:03:24 AM
Message:

That's going to be a really nice looking diorama, Tom!
The different elevations are going to add a lot of visual interest! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/07/2004 09:59:08 AM
Message:

Wow, Tom! You have made a lot of progress since your last update! I like the different elevations also. They should make for some really interesting camera angles when you start shooting the final photos. [:-thumbu]


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 05/07/2004 10:48:42 AM
Message:

Tom,

Great looking land forms and stonework. I'm looking forward to photos of your progress.
Thanks for the update.

Jim


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/07/2004 3:30:45 PM
Message:

Well, I managed to finish the chimney, & get that in place today...I made a crown & pipe from styrene for the top...
The chimney has hidden the unwanted window, & I think when I manage to get a roof on the freight shed portion, it'll hide what's left of that notch in the top of the wall...


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/07/2004 6:09:03 PM
Message:

Tom,
The diorama base is looking good. Can't wait to see the next update.

Drew,
The chimney was a great idea. It not only solved your unwanted window problem, it looks good!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/07/2004 7:24:52 PM
Message:

Drew and Tom
You have made significant progress on your projects.
I wish I could say the same.[:-banghead]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/07/2004 9:49:32 PM
Message:

Drew

Nice job with the chimney. I think it was a great solution to your problem.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/08/2004 12:22:28 AM
Message:

Keep going Tom and Drew , don't lose the momentum !It looks like a BIG cream cheese , Tom !

Here are a couple of updates .I cured most of the warp in the plastic walls by drilling holes and gluing straight pins in the wall and base .It's not 100% but close .Walls ,mainbeams are cemented in .I changed the interior walls to a pock-marked cement type . I'm now loose fitting the front short wall , windows , doors and door beams , all to be made from stripwood and/or balsa .






Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/08/2004 07:10:15 AM
Message:

Terry,
Glad you found a way to cure your warped wall problem. I like the look of the interior walls.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/08/2004 08:49:17 AM
Message:

I've got a question here regarding ink for the AI mixture . I have a bottle of blue/black ( got it by mistake ) and also a bottle of black Parker ink .When I mix it with the alchol and paint the stripwood or balsa ther is a blue or greenish tinge to it . Am I using the wrong ink ? In the past I would use black liquid shoe polish , diluted . Anyone ??

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/08/2004 08:59:30 AM
Message:

Hi Terry
I am no expert on this but the only India Ink I have ever used is Higgins Black Magic waterproof ink.
I read a long time ago on the fsm Yahoo group that some other inks do not work as well and Higgins was the only brand they recommended so I have used only that brand with good results.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/08/2004 09:10:32 AM
Message:

Drew, your chimney solution was an excellent idea! And it looks really good there, also. [:-thumbu]

Terry, your roundhouse is really impressive! I still love the appearance of the stonework. The whole structure is shaping up to be one of those that folks call a "signature" model! Very nice! [:-thumbu]

I got my project out last night, but it was so late in the evening that I didn't have the energy or motivation to do anything but stare at it for several minutes. So my progress for this weekend, so far, is no progress at all.

--------------------

Terry, I have never used fountain pen inks for washes or stains, so I don't know how they would work. I started using HIggins waterproof India ink back in the late 70's and for the most part have never used anything else. Occasionally, I've had to use Higgins black drawing ink, which is water soluble, but I've had the same success with that as with the India ink. I prefer the India ink, however, because I think it tends to be a little "richer" black than the drawing ink. The problem is it's not always as easy to find as the drawing ink in stores like Michaels or Hobby Lobby.






Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/08/2004 10:07:59 AM
Message:

John and Mike , I think you've nailed it . it would appear that pen ink has different properties than India or artists ink . Just incase anyone is doing a relatively modern ' pressure treated wood ' scene , the Parkers ink turns the wood a green shade somewhat like what you find in pressure treated wood at Home Depot .
I might just use up my black shoe polish first and also some diluted ' Weather It ' , but will definitely get the India ink for the next project and/or my ON30 diorama

Thanks guys .

TERRY


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/09/2004 09:32:13 AM
Message:

Here is a shot of trial fitting the roof . Smoke stacks are made from cardboard cigar tubes that I got free at a smoke shop .I'll be doing gravel detailing but am scratchbuilding the small front wall first.I don't want to buy different windows so have cut the window frames out of the original plastic wall ,and will use the kit windows ( plastic )
I found some Higgins India ink at an Art Shop , only place that carried it ...$6.50 a fluid ounce ...ouch !!It would appear to go a long way though .I tried it on the balsa I'll be using for the short wall and used with a thin wash of grey , looks pretty good.





The roof itself is simply sheet styrene which is pretty cheap at Home Depot , 3 or 4 bucks I think for a sheet double the size of the roof .It's actually starting to LOOK like a roundhouse now ...there were times when I really wondered !

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/09/2004 09:41:57 AM
Message:

You're right, Terry, it's definitely looking like a roundhouse now. And a really nice one at that! [:-thumbu]

I got a little done on my station last night. After looking at one of the freight doors I built last week, I decided to do something different for that particular doorway. It's the largest of the three freight doors, so I decided last night it should be a pair of metal sliding doors instead of hinged wooden doors. So I cut out some simple "blanks" from a sheet of wood and painted the surface with Humbrol "Gunmetal" metalcote. I'll polish the surfaces this afternoon and then lightly weather/rust them. They're nothing creative or special as far as construction goes, but they'll serve the purpose.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/09/2004 10:39:21 AM
Message:

Terry,

That roof is looking good. How thick was that sheet of styrene that you got at the Depot?

I painted some detail items and finished two signs for the Challenge Project last evening. More painting of detail items on tap for today.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/09/2004 1:10:45 PM
Message:

Bruce , I confess I don't know the real thickness of the styrene as I took my HO ruler with me to the Depot , looked through the various plastic sheets and chose one 6" thick HO.

Here is a little something that everyone knows about but bears repeating . If you are building something and don't want to spend extra money , scrounge around the parts bin and you'll probably find something you forgot you had . I take a lot of inspiration from Drew on this as he is a master at making great models from old bits and pieces .

The windows and siding in this roundhouse kit are shown on the left .I cut out the window frame , found some old balsa sheet which I cut into even strips using a jig on my Chopper .With some AI weathering , nailholes , yellow glue and red oxide paint left over from my Edmund Fitzgerald , I think you'd agree the effect is much better . Laser cut windows would be a bonus but I'm doing this Challenge on a strict budget of $25 total ala Drew .





I have to make 5 such windows and frames .I've made them slightly oversized so as to trim fit them into the roof .

TERRY


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/09/2004 2:18:02 PM
Message:

BRUCE ! oops sorry , I gave you some misinformation in my last reply . The 6" HO was a sheet I bought to use in the Steel Mill .The sheet for the rounghouse is thinner ( HO ) more like 2" HO scale .Sorry for the confusion , must be JR's Dullcoat again ![:-bigeyes]

TERRY


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/09/2004 2:59:45 PM
Message:

Wow!
The roundhouse looks fantastic, Terry!
I really like the mixing of the stone & brick walls!
Also, the clerestory windows look SUPER!
You're really adding a lot of creativity & originality to a stock commercial kit!
What a great looking model! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Glen Haasdyk
Replied on: 05/09/2004 4:32:56 PM
Message:

I love the roundhouse Terry, I've been following it from the beginning and learned alot from your construction technics. One question though, what are you going to finish the roof with? I built a simular flat-topped building and used fine grey ballast to simulate a gravel roof but unfortunetly I don't have a camera right now to show the results.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/09/2004 5:28:13 PM
Message:

Looking good Terry[:-thumbu] The windows add a nice touch.

I'm also curious about the roof. How you going to finish it off?


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/09/2004 6:18:16 PM
Message:

teejay, Drew and Tom, you guys are making some good progress on your projects. Wish I could say the same of mine.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/09/2004 6:32:37 PM
Message:

Terry, the clerestory windows look great! Having them in the open position looks far more realistic, and the "unfinished" wood makes a nice contrast to the brick walls.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/09/2004 8:36:35 PM
Message:

Glen and Ken ,I'm going to use whatever I have left on the shelf which looks to be
1) sand left over from the Campbell's sanding tower and is brown , obviously
2) a bag of medium grey gravel , WS that looks to be close to scale as it is fine grade I think . Close enough for me .I know some of you like to put down a diluted mixture of glue and water but I'm not sure how it will stick to plastic . I may just try a wetter coat of Krylon flat black and quickly pour the gravel or sand .Any idea whats best on styrene considering the roof will be removeable and will be handled from time to time ?
Thanks , TERRY


Reply author: Climax1880
Replied on: 05/09/2004 9:00:33 PM
Message:

TeeJay:

Reading about your roundhouse roof and finishing it. There are two concepts that you could use. One is to spray it with Krylon auto body primer first. This will give the surface some 'tooth' for other finishes to stick to. If you prime it the white glue/water thing might work. If not, then your idea of a 'good' coat of paint and sprinkled sand/gravel will work. Of course you could always use the old sandpaper technique too!!

Just my $.02 worth.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/09/2004 9:12:42 PM
Message:

I was going to suggest the sandpaper option also. A good thin coat of Aleene's tacky glue and stick the sandpaper on. Let dry and trim excess.

I'm not sure how the diluted glue would hold to the plastic. Especially if you plan on the removeable roof.

I would try it on some scrap and see which method you like better.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/09/2004 9:24:09 PM
Message:

Terry, Drew and Tom very nice work.
Tom like how your diorama is shaping up.
Drew you are definitely the Art Curren of this forum.
Terry very nice looking structure and I see that Drew has been a great influence on you.
I actually had a chance to do a little work on the Gas Station/Marine Supply complex.
There was just enough rain to stop me from painting outside and after dark I quit painting inside.
I have been working on the rear of the complex.
I added another shed to the gas station and also placed the repair shop which I constructed ages ago to see how it will all go together.
Well some more work is needed such as the rear wall on the repair shop.
I am not sure what I will use for doors and am waiting to see what Mike's freight doors on Quincy Station look like.
Well back to work.








Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/09/2004 9:29:30 PM
Message:

Terry, this same subject came up in another thread a couple of days ago. For a gravel and tar roof, I'd recommend using Highball Crushed Granite ballast (HO scale) and plain white Elmers glue. I've had really good success with those on several DPM models over the years. The Highball product is a little smaller (and probably closer to actual scale) than other ballast products.




Reply author: Glen Haasdyk
Replied on: 05/09/2004 10:09:42 PM
Message:

Terry,

I used the fine Ballast and held it down with full strength white glue. I put the glue on the roof and smeared it with my finger till the roof had a thin lasyer of glue all over it. Then I put the ballast down and tilted the roof around untill the ballast covered everything. If you are concerned about the ballast coming off with handling, a spray of dullcoat should fix it in place from the top. One thing though, there should be seams visible in the roof, since the prototype didn't use one big piece of roofing like you're doing, right?


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/09/2004 10:43:16 PM
Message:

Mike, I do remember the post but wondered at the time about the effect of flexing plastic ( removability ) with the white glue and gravel on styrene .I used that mixture on the base of the Power Substation inside the chain fence .IMO it is not particularly stable but I diluted the glue in that scenario .
Ken , Glen and JR , I think I'll experiment with the 3 plastic roof pieces that came with the kit ...I won't be using them . I'll try sandpaper , tarpaper ( I like masking tape , I know some of you like tissue )san , gravel and a couple of glues .
Glen , if the roof in prototype is gravelled , would ridges be visible ? I'm not a roofer but I would think they would adhere the gravel with tar , blotting out any lines or seams ?

Thanks everyone for your valuable input .

TERRY


Reply author: Glen Haasdyk
Replied on: 05/09/2004 11:12:23 PM
Message:

Terry,

I think there would be joint lines visible running down the stall dividing joists inside Heres a link to another modeler's (Bob Boudreau's) finished Project. I don't know Mr Boudreau But I am an admirer on his work.

http://www.geocities.com/fundynorthern/FirstModuleRoundhouse.html


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/10/2004 08:14:40 AM
Message:

Terry

The roundhouse is shaping up very nice. I don't have anything to add to the roof discusion. I am, however, following it since I have a few roofs I want to do similar to yours.

John

The station is shaping up nicely. Glad to see you are finding some time for it.

I started staining the rock walls. I am not thrilled with how they are looking right now. I still need to do a few more coats. So far the WS Scenery Manual has been true so I will trust it and see how they look in the end.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/10/2004 12:23:41 PM
Message:

Hi guys!
Well, I'm still moving along here at a snail's pace, but I have actualy begun to get someroofing work done (I even found a little plastic dome thingy in the scrap box, & I sawed a piece off to make a roof for the bay window)...[:-jump]
I'm still doing a little brainstorming on how to finish the roof(s)...
I also added a loading door to the freight shed...


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 05/10/2004 2:57:30 PM
Message:

Drew - neeto! go for shingles- use the pinking shears system for the dome part.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/10/2004 3:41:09 PM
Message:

Drew, your roof for the bay window was a stroke of genius! It looks just like it was designed for that structure. [:-thumbu]

Well, my progress last evening amounted to a bunch of wheel spinning and little else. I still wasn't happy with the freight doors, so I built yet another set. The latest ones were based on a set of prototype doors used by the C&S. After I finished the first one, however, I realized it didn't look right either - the style just isn't right. So on my way back to the city this morning, I decided to go with either the sliding "metal" doors or the planked wood orginally called for in the drawings. I'm wasting too much time futzing around with a few doors. [:-banghead] But I did begin to develop a plan for the diorama base for the station, so I at least have that much out of the way.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/10/2004 5:54:13 PM
Message:

Drew,

That roof above the bay window looks great. Now how do you suppose that "little plastic dome thingy" got into your scrap box?

I spent whatever time I had this weekend priming all the little metal detail items for the station. Maybe I can get three of the walls up this week and begin detailing the interior.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/10/2004 9:20:26 PM
Message:

Drew

The bay window and its roof are a great touch.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/10/2004 11:49:24 PM
Message:

Nice creation , Drew , and for the roof , I'd agree with Elliot , shingles , asphalt or cedar . The building is too fancy for tarpaper or corrugated metal IMO . The ' cupola ' looks good and fits the bay window very well .

TERRY


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/11/2004 07:44:12 AM
Message:

Drew, the roof over the bay window does look like it was made especially for your station. You have a good eye to be able to pick up a scrap plastic dome and see a roof. I would also say to use shingles, any type, for a roofing material.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/11/2004 08:39:25 AM
Message:

A few guys have mentioned that they have been following this project along . If that means that you plan to build a roundhouse of your own , I cannot emphasize strongly enough the need to MEASURE everything accurately several times . Somewhere along the way I'm out 3/16 " with the various curves and angles . I thought by making templates for everything I would avoid miscalculating but I messed up somewhere .Trying to compensate for the error is difficult without altering something else .

Here is the way the windows will look ...they are still loose .The kit ,being a 3 bay only came with 6 windows in front . I chopped 4 more from the side building brick walls .Since they are a different shape , I put them on each side with the 6 kit windows in the middle .Other than buy all new windows , there was no other way around it .





The doorframes and windows are loose fit and I'm waiting to finish the doors before I glue everything . I haven't finished the roof yet because I haven't decided which way to go .If I haven't got a feel for it yet , I'll just wait a few days , do a little experimenting with some scrap pieces and go from there.

TERRY


Reply author: inspecbri
Replied on: 05/11/2004 3:30:29 PM
Message:

Locorick is no beginner. he had me convinced until I looked at his station on pages 35&37. Rick your colors are great and the modeling is extremely neat. How far along are you and are you able to post some more pics. That particular station has allot of charm. I have eyeballed the kit many times


Brian


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/11/2004 10:06:48 PM
Message:

I'd like an opinion on this roof before I go any further . The front portion only is done in gravel with flat black paint underneath ( to stick to ) and a haze of flat black over top . The further of the 2 pictures is from about 3 feet away . Does it look in scale or not ?





Neither the roof or window frames are glued yet , and I realize the roof needs trimming still.

Thanks , TERRY


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/11/2004 10:17:38 PM
Message:

Terry,
I like the idea of the gravel roof. What are you thinking--that the gravel chunks are a bit too big?


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 05/11/2004 10:26:55 PM
Message:

absolutely - it looks great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/11/2004 10:29:12 PM
Message:

Terry, for several years I had an office/workroom window that overlooked a gravel and tar roof. Most of the "gravel" as I recall was actually about 1" rock. What you have in your photo doesn't look that out-of-size to me.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/11/2004 10:53:30 PM
Message:

Thanks guys .I've been searching Google Images for pics of a round house roof and can't find anything worthwhile . I thought the gravel might be too big in which case I would go to the sand .It sticks pretty well with the Krylon paint but I may get out JR's dullcoat or my wifes hairspray to hold it down better .In any case it sticks better than the gravel did with white glue ( diluted )and is less messy .

TERRY


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/11/2004 11:23:28 PM
Message:

Brian, thanks for the kind words. I haven't done any more work on the station since the last pics I posted. I've been working on the diorama base for it. I'll try to get some pictures of the base up in the next couple of days.

Terry, your roof looks good to me. Nice job.


Reply author: Glen Haasdyk
Replied on: 05/11/2004 11:48:34 PM
Message:

Terry,

The roof looks more realistic than the one I did. I'll have to adapt your techinics when I do my next flat-roof project.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/12/2004 5:13:37 PM
Message:

Here are a couple shots of the diorama base for my challenge project. Can't tell you how many times I redid the dirt road to get it to a point where I like it. I guess persistence pays off. It's still not perfect, but I don't think I can get it to look any better. The base of the station still needs to be painted and covered with a layer of dirt. Also need to plant a lot of bushes, shrubs, trees and grass.




Haven't done any more work on the station, but here's another shot of it anyway.

Oops, just noticed I'm missing some rafters on the right side roof overhang. Better get out the saw and some nails and get busy.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/12/2004 5:20:48 PM
Message:

I think you're on to something Rick , that diorama looks good . If you don't mind could you let me know what materials went into the roadway/parking area as well as the other areas ...grout , real dirt , WS or whatever ? I think when you do get some foliage in there you'll be very happy with the results .
Thanks , Terry .


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/12/2004 5:35:22 PM
Message:

Hi Terry:

When I do gravel roofs and things like ballast I kinda try to compare the size of the gravel to an Ho persons foot. Then I try to find a material thats is smaller than a persons foot. When I do a gravel roof I use highball real dirt Walther's #330-510. I use black latex paint from tne paint store and really slater it on the bare roof. I use this type of paint cause you don't want it to dry to fast. Then sprinkle on the real dirt and dump the excess off the roof. The result is a roof where some of the paint soaks through the dirt and some doesn't. Give it a try I think you'll like the results.

Karl S.


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/12/2004 5:39:58 PM
Message:

Hi Terry:

When I do gravel roofs and things like ballast I kinda try to compare the size of the gravel to an Ho persons foot. Then I try to find a material thats is smaller than a persons foot. When I do a gravel roof I use highball real dirt Walther's #330-510. I use black latex paint from tne paint store and really slater it on the bare roof. I use this type of paint cause you don't want it to dry to fast. Then sprinkle on the real dirt and dump the excess off the roof. The result is a roof where some of the paint soaks through the dirt and some doesn't. Give it a try I think you'll like the results.

Karl S.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/12/2004 5:39:59 PM
Message:

Rick, you're doing an excellent job with the station and the diorama. Thanks for the photos! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/12/2004 5:43:24 PM
Message:

Rick:

Your station looks great. I like your colors. Will the diorama fit into your pike when its done? Keep up the good work and keep the pics comming.

Karl S.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 05/12/2004 6:13:49 PM
Message:

Terry, nice work on the gravel roof.

Rick, your persistance has paid off. That base is looking good.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/12/2004 6:46:04 PM
Message:

Thanks guys for the positive comments.

Terry, the dirt road is clay kitty litter that I ground up in an old blender and then sifted through an old pair of pantyhose. Thanks Mike for the heads up on the litter. I bought the cheapest litter I could find and made sure it said clay on the package. But when I got home and opened it up to look at it I was disapointed to find little green bits mixed in. I threw it into the blender anyway and after it was ground up there wasn't a trace of green to be seen. Everything else on the diorama is real dirt. Thanks go to Brian and Frank too for their help.

Karl, I currently don't have a layout under construction, but I am trying to stock pile as many finished dioramas as I can for when I do start one. This one however I figured will be for practise only and will only use the station and discard the diorama base. That is why I am not going to glue the station to the base. I will only paint the base ofthe station to try and blend it into the scene as best as I can.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/12/2004 7:20:41 PM
Message:

Rick, the Diorama looks FANTASTIC!! [:-thumbu]
Terry,
Really like what you're doing with the roof!


Reply author: inspecbri
Replied on: 05/12/2004 10:25:58 PM
Message:

Rick, You are real close to getting the feel for it. It's like connecting with a baseball the right way. You are super close to a master piece. Take you time and do your weathering slowly over a few days. How are you fixed for details.

Bri


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/12/2004 10:56:36 PM
Message:

Karl . this may be a dumb question but if I don't ask it will be even dumber ...whats Walthers Dirt compared to , say , REAL Dirt ,or dirt from the Garden Center ? I've never heard of the Walthers item before and assuming you aren't setting ol' Teejay up for a 'punch line ' here , whats the deal ?
I did exactly what you suggested ...flat black paint , pouring gravel ( instead of dirt ) , dumping the excess etc.for the roof apron , and was going to continue with the same for the rest of the roof .

TERRY


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/13/2004 12:27:20 AM
Message:

Terry:

I'm sorry it is not a Walthers product. It is made by Highball products.They also make balast and coal. I will take a picture of one of my roof tomorrow and have my friend Frank post it to this thread ok. Sorry if i confused you that wasn't my intention. As I said I paint the roof and use this product for the gravel because it is very fine and really look good when finished. Anyway sorry for the confusion.

Karl S


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/13/2004 07:01:15 AM
Message:

Rick,
Both the station and the base are coming along very nice indeed.

Last night I installed the last door in my station, glued a variety of advertising signs to the outside of the station (any old pictures of NYS&W stations show them covered with ads!), and painted some more detail parts. I'm only home two more nights before going away for a week, so I'm not sure how much more will be accomplished in the near future.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/13/2004 07:49:11 AM
Message:

Terry

Your roof looks great.

Rick

Your station looks wonderful. The diorama base looks like it is coming along also.


Reply author: TrevorCreek
Replied on: 05/13/2004 08:29:40 AM
Message:

Terry,

Here are the roof shots from Karl.







Frank B


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 05/13/2004 08:53:05 AM
Message:

Rick, Your diorama is looking good. A lot more progress than my Fenimore Coal diorama!

Thanks for the roof photos, Karl. Not only do the gravel roofs look great, there are a lot of things on the roof to attract the eye.

Chuck


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/13/2004 11:25:54 AM
Message:

Chuck:

Thanks for the compliments.

Karl


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/13/2004 11:35:44 AM
Message:

Thanks for the pics Karl ( & Frank )..I see how you let the paint seep through the dirt . The dirt is lighter in colour than what I want for the roundhouse but I'm sure there are other methods of solving that . I admire your fine m@delling , Karl ,and am very grateful for the tips that you are passing on .I really like the sort of Norman Rockwell-ish slant where everything tells a story in an old-timey atmosphere .
Thanks ,again

TERRY


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/13/2004 12:28:28 PM
Message:

Terry:

Your quite welcome. The thing about the dirt is the fineness it provides. If you dont like the brown that shows through hit the roof with some grimy black and that will solve that problem. I'm alway glad to share info with all you guys your all great modelers.

karl S


Reply author: inspecbri
Replied on: 05/13/2004 1:24:46 PM
Message:

Karl, Your roofs look great. I enjoy the fact that you super detail your roofs. All to often, modelers forget about really making a scene that tells a story on the roof top. Very well done. What project is this. Every time I turn around, you have something completed.

Bri


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/13/2004 2:07:30 PM
Message:

Bri:

Thos are structures I built about 9 or 10 years ago. They are actually in place on my RR. Frank posted the pics so Terry could see what i was talking about. But as usual thank for all your kind words.

Karl S.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/13/2004 2:15:20 PM
Message:

I am glad to see all the activity here on the Challenge project.
Great job Terry, Rick, Tom, Drew and others who are progressing with their projects.
Karl I also like the roof tops and think the one with the washer woman on top is very well done and probably very typical of how people in a city took advantage of the rooftops.

My progress has come to almost a complete stop as I have been busily trying to spruce everything in sight so that I can get the house up for sale by June 1ST.
The girl I live with may be transferred to Tennessee as soon as May 29th which means I could be home here until the house is sold.
If this is the case then I will have all kinds of free time to model.
We shall see.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/13/2004 2:36:40 PM
Message:

Just a little technical question for Karl , Brian ,or anyone looking at the pics , what is the term for the little 'shed' at the top of the staircase opening onto the rooftop ?
Secondly , were those fine fire escapes brass etchings ? I have some brass etched bicyles of various designs . I was thinking an old rusting bike would be neat on one of my rooftops along with other assorted stuff . Of course almost ANYTHING plausible looks cool on the rooftop .

TERRY


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/13/2004 4:48:28 PM
Message:

Great progress everyone[:-thumbu]Some good looking models being built.

Terry, some just call it a rooftop stairwell. SSM makes a great looking kit.

I like how the roof turned out. Will be interesting to see how you decide to weather it.


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/13/2004 5:06:26 PM
Message:

Terry:

I just call them roof top exits or entrances depending on which way your going. The fire escapes are a combination of things. The platforms are from Tichy. Stairs are from Central Valley and all banisters are made of scale lumber paited black to look like steel. I'm sure the etched brass ones are pretty nice. I don't have any but I would imagine they are nice and fine and when painted would look great.

Karl S


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/13/2004 5:49:55 PM
Message:

Thanks Ken and Karl ...thought maybe the roof exits had a more exotic name to them ...musta been thinking of something else .When I mentioned the old bike on the roof I didn't mean for the roundhouse ...some other building .

If I wanted to install lights hanging from the ceiling , what product do I look for ? Do I have to worry about replacing them often ?
TERRY


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/13/2004 6:15:58 PM
Message:

Terry:

Miniatronics makes real nice lamps. They are pretty close to scale. They are each 1.5 volts so you would need a radio shack 1.5 volt poewr supply to run them. I will send you the stock number tonight or tomorrow ok. They should last a long time. Or if you want them larger they also make them with the campbell shades which might be nicer and provide more light inside a roundhouse.

The bike on the roof would be fine. I think that would be a great detail on a roof. Maybe it should be an old rusted up bike.

Karl s.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/13/2004 7:22:12 PM
Message:

Terry,
I really like where you're going with this roundhouse! [:-thumbu]
Karl,
Your modeling is simply breath-taking! [:-bigeyes2]
I could never come up with enough adjectives to do it justice...it's just stunning!

quote:
Originally posted by teejay

...and for the roof , I'd agree with Elliot , shingles , asphalt or cedar . The building is too fancy for tarpaper or corrugated metal...


Sorry to go against the concensus, guys, but I'm modeling an Appalachian shortline set in the 1930's...While a shake-shingle roof wouldn't be completely out of place, by the early 20th century, a lot of them had fallen into disrepair, & had beem rep[laced by other materials...And in rural areas of Appalachia, & the southeastern US, tarpaper, & tin were the rule...
Hopfully, I'll have some progress pics soon!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/13/2004 7:40:02 PM
Message:

Very interesting Drew...that's what I like about this group...always learning something .I know when I lived in Mennonite country many years ago , replacement roofs were seemingly ALWAYS tin for longitivity . It made great background music during a rain or hailstorm too.[:-bigeyes]...and it always seemed to be green , they must have got a heck of a deal on green somewhere .

TERRY


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/13/2004 11:02:06 PM
Message:

Terry:

As promised here is the stock # for the miniatronics lamps. It is Model #72-001-05. Or you can call my friend Don Reed at Micro Scale Models. He also sell them. His # is 215 679 3838.

Karl S.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/13/2004 11:14:39 PM
Message:

Thank You Much , Karl [:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/14/2004 5:04:43 PM
Message:

Thanks for everyones kind comments.

Brian, I have all the crates, barrels and pallents that came with the kit and I also bought some benches and a luggage cart to use with the station.

Karl, thanks for the roof top photos. Some great ideas there.


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/14/2004 5:09:11 PM
Message:

Tery and Rick:

Your welcome anytime I can help I'll be glad to.

Karl S .


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/15/2004 6:34:16 PM
Message:

I'm working on the doors before I secure the front windows , front wall and door frames ...the 3 sets of doors are loosely set in for the photo .I didn't use individual boards , rather I cut up some left over balsa for the doors and trim .( no boards left and don't want to buy them )
Was there ever any hardware , latches , locks etc. used ? Were they open 24/7 ? Was there ever any decoration of sorts on the wood or was it mostly plain ? Since most of the real life pics I find are old abandoned roundhouses , I can't find much to go by .
Thanks , Terry




Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 05/15/2004 7:01:00 PM
Message:

Terry,
This a Portland Locomotive Works Strong Enginehouse model.

The reason I'm posting it is so you can see the hinges used. Actually they are called hinge straps. I think they used something similar on roundhouses. Campbell used to sell them as detail parts. I suspect Grandt or Tichy does as well.
I decided to do some checking before posting this and found the following.

Granted it is a modern style roundhouse. But, you can see the hinges used.
Hope this helps.
-david j


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/15/2004 7:19:54 PM
Message:

thanks David , looks like I'll have to make some changes as i think my trim looks too far out of scale .Guess I'd better get my HO ruler out .

TERRY


Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 05/15/2004 7:28:48 PM
Message:

Not a problem Terry.
-david j


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/15/2004 8:03:17 PM
Message:

David , I agree , the first photo with the white doors and black hinges is a nice effect .i just reversed my doors and scribed them with a straight pin , will make fake hinges out of card stock or thin styrene . I'm going for the weathered look here as I think working roundhouses were more that dirction .
I appreciate your timely feedback so I could keep working on them .
Thanks , TERRY



BTW the red blotch is the die that they stamp balsa with , guess I'll have to tend to that ...or make up a story .


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/15/2004 8:03:50 PM
Message:

Terry
Here is a picture of the Qunicy Engine House by Campbell which uses hinges that are sold separately by Campbell.
The hinges are on the door on the front.
The part number is 200-935 as listed in the Walthers catalog I have.
They are currently out of stock .
I used them on doors on my first Challenge project.
They are 2 pieces so once installed the doors can be opened and closed.
If you can find a supplier they come 8 hinges to a package for $3.90.
Thus a package would be enough for 4 doors.






Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/15/2004 10:13:55 PM
Message:

I see that Terry has shifted into overdrive and is headed down the home stretch with his project.
I have just barely gotten from neutral into first gear but at least I was able to complete the billboard that sits atop of Chamber's Marine Supply.

Front



Rear


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/15/2004 10:16:27 PM
Message:

John , i have to go to Detroit to P&D Hobby to get the rest of the details I need for the Fitz . That shop may just carry such a hinge since they have a lot of detail items that other stores don't carry .I don't go as often as I'd like because of the border hassles since 9/11.
I heard that Campbell's sold their business . If the new owners are going to reissue old kits , my credit card is in trouble .I know other companies have surpassed Campell's kits in the past few years but I've always liked their kits ,...built 10 or 12 . I didn't ever see that engine house before .
If I can't find a similar hinge I may try making them out of sheet brass that I bought for my Backwoods On30 loco incase I needed it .If I'm not good enough with the brass , I'm sure I can make it out of styrene .
Thanks , TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/15/2004 10:33:15 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by teejay

John , i have to go to Detroit to P&D Hobby to get the rest of the details I need for the Fitz . That shop may just carry such a hinge since they have a lot of detail items that other stores don't carry .I don't go as often as I'd like because of the border hassles since 9/11.
I heard that Campbell's sold their business . If the new owners are going to reissue old kits , my credit card is in trouble .I know other companies have surpassed Campell's kits in the past few years but I've always liked their kits ,...built 10 or 12 . I didn't ever see that engine house before .
If I can't find a similar hinge I may try making them out of sheet brass that I bought for my Backwoods On30 loco incase I needed it .If I'm not good enough with the brass , I'm sure I can make it out of styrene .
Thanks , TERRY


Terry
I also have been reading on the fsm Yahoo Group that Campbell's had been sold but no one to this point has offered to say who bought it.
I remember when I went to the Bar Mills booth at West Springfield Art said that he was offered the business but he said it was a large business so my guess is that it is someone who can handle a larger manufacturing business.
I have also built many Campbell kits and still have the Carstens Flop House unstarted on the shelf.
I think if Campbell went to laser cut basswood and updated their windows and doors and added some detail castings that they could reissue many of the older kits and have a very successful business just with these kits.
They still bring a good price on eBay now.
I think their full size plans and isometric drawings are some of the best around.

On the hinges the best part is that when positioned the doors cans be opened and closed with your finger which gives you the ability to change the look of the structure.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/16/2004 12:26:30 AM
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Bags , I think you need to make another one of those signs and send it with an nice card to Rusty on ....Fathers Day ...Birthday ...Groundhog Day ...Monday

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/16/2004 09:27:01 AM
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John, that's an excellent sign! Beautiful artwork and a great subject! I always liked Evinrude!

As for sending a copies of the other sign to Rusty... well, I don't think he would truly and appropriately appreciate the majesty of the entire scene.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 05/16/2004 10:10:53 AM
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Great work everyone. As usual this is one of the most inspiring threads on the forum!


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 05/16/2004 1:10:44 PM
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John, any more signs on that structure and it will tip over!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/16/2004 3:03:30 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

John, that's an excellent sign! Beautiful artwork and a great subject! I always liked Evinrude!

As for sending a copies of the other sign to Rusty... well, I don't think he would truly and appropriately appreciate the majesty of the entire scene.




Hi all
We will be having the other sign(the one with the Sea-Doo) made into Christmas cards that will available only on this web site for purchase.
Only $19.99 for a box of 25, no not a box but as a special deal we will be sending you a second box free of charge.
Also we will include a special pair of scissors for anyone who wants to cut out or up in pieces the person standing in his wet suit next to the Sea-Doo.
So hurry and place your orders as quantities of this card will be limited.
Also for the first 50 who order Mike has offered to personally autograph each card in the box.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/17/2004 5:06:48 PM
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John, if you can get Mike to put on a Santa's cap and coat I'll take 10 boxes...that wet suit just don't look christmassy enough. [:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes]

Well, maybe one more box for Halloween would do.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/17/2004 5:44:34 PM
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grrrrrr...[:-gnasher]






Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/17/2004 5:49:25 PM
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I didn't get as much done this past weekend as I had planned. Last evening the weather was so nice that my wife and I sat on the patio until dark. By the time I got set up to work, it was already 9. Anyway, I did get the freight doors finished. I decided I was wasting way too much time fretting over them, so I just built the doors from stripwood but followed the original kit designs. Hopefully, next weekend I can get the large dock framed and decked. But then, if the weather is nice....


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/17/2004 6:26:23 PM
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Well I have not been to this post in a few days. I am hiding in the corner ashamed of how little I have done. At least other folk are making progress.

Terry
The roundhouse is looking great!

David J
Great looking engine house!

John
I love the signs. So when are you going to start mass production. I think every RRL who particpates in the challenge should get one as a reward of trying.


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/17/2004 6:50:32 PM
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Terry:

The cambell hinges were much larger than the Grandt Line ones. The Grandt Lines would probably be a little small. If you can get Cambell they could easily be fabricated using Manilla folder cardstock and NBW castings as long as the don't have to work. The Grandtline ones are not operating as the Campbell ones are and not sure if they are available separately. I know Grandt Line makes Engine house door but not sure it the operate. They are #5133 and have large strap hinges but it doesn't look as though they operate. The Campbell hinges are available separately from Walthers they are #200-935 they come 8 to a pack. Who knows they may have some. Give it a try. Hope I was of some help.

Karl S


Reply author: sparkman
Replied on: 05/17/2004 8:34:07 PM
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Tom,
As much as I would like to take credit, the enginehouse is from the website. I posted it to help Terry.
-david j


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/17/2004 9:17:00 PM
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It seems like the "little done" is sort of contagious. My project has sat untouched for almost a week.

Not much left to do, just not much available time to do it.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/17/2004 9:35:25 PM
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"little done" here as well. It's an epidemic.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/17/2004 10:16:17 PM
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Thanks for all the feedback everyone , I'll have to put modelling off for a couple of days while my new wound ,courtesy of the Chopper , heals .Thats the second time but not as bad as the first ...maybe i need ' trainer wheels '. I can't believe I could be so careless .
I might just try to make working hinges first , so I'll try 4 hinges for one pair of doors and see how it goes .I'd rather not spend anything unless absolutely necessary ( except for bandaids [:-bigeyes])

TERRY


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/18/2004 08:12:34 AM
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Well, things have been kinda crazy around here for the past few days, & I'm starting to think I'm not gonna make this Challenge deadline...there are just never enough hours in the day![:-crazy]
Anyway, I did manage to squeeze in some modeling time last night...
I know I'm gonna catch some flack for this, but I put a yarpaper roof on the station...hey, I haven't spent a penny on this project...I'm just using stuff that I have lying around...just like a 1930's shortline would've done![:-bulb]
Aaaaanyway...I painted the roof flatblack, & covered it with strips of tissue paper...


I painted & weathered the roof, & here's what the interchange side of the depot looks like now...



And here's the other side...I'm going to build the platform up a little, underneath, & then add a foundation under that little lopsided shed part...




Well, I still got a little over a month...I hope I can make it! [:-boggled][:-crazy]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/18/2004 08:20:58 AM
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Looking good Drew!

As far as finishing in time, I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I won't. I did, however, get the rock wall and abutment stained last night. I still need to seal it and give a final wash of black. Then I need to add the mortar. I will post some pictures later today once I upload them.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/18/2004 10:06:08 AM
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Looking good, Drew!

Well, guys, we've got approximately 6 weeks to go. Six weeks out of 6 months. Where did the time go? I'm about 75% of the way toward a decision to bring my station back to the city with me and finish it here if I can. Trying to do it only on weekends just isn't going to get it. [:-nonono] I don't even have the basic structure finished, much less the diorama base done or all the extra detail parts painted.

But I'm going to give it a try!


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/18/2004 10:06:32 PM
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Well since I received my "Shack Pack" from Bar Mills I decided to use the 3 different shacks as part of the Challenge project.
The shack on the left is the one from Bar Mills and I just made it into an addition to Chamber's Marine Supply.
The raised door has cinder blocks (included in the kit) for steps which will be added when I place this on the diorama base.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/18/2004 10:40:16 PM
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Drew
Your station looks very good.
I am always impressed and amazed how you can come up with these great structures just by using leftovers from your scrap box.
I also like the tarpaper roof and will have to give your method a try.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/18/2004 11:43:27 PM
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John

Great looking shacks!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/18/2004 11:44:26 PM
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John, your shack is an excellent addition to the model, a perfect fit! A great idea! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

I was just wondering a few minutes ago in the "Shack Pack" thread how/where you would use these in the Challenge project. Now I know.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/18/2004 11:44:32 PM
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Here finally are some progress photos. I have stained the rock wall and abutments. At this point I still need to seal them, then apply another black wash, and seal again. Of course I also need to add the mortar.









Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/18/2004 11:47:19 PM
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Looking good, Tom!


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/19/2004 07:49:13 AM
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John,
That is a real classy looking model, my friend! [:-thumbu]
Tom,
The rockwork looks really nice! [:-thumbu]
It's gonna look even better when you get the surrounding scene complete!


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 05/19/2004 09:18:16 AM
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Tom, that is really neat how you do that with the rocks. John, as usual you are 100% on!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/19/2004 10:18:56 AM
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Drew , you're still working your magic with ' bits and pieces 'and it looks very nice .

Tom , it's starting to come together .A week or so ago it was reminding me of ' Close Encounters of the Third Kind ' when Richard Dreyfuss was trying to recreate that mountain . Now it's starting to look good .

John , that's an interesting kit . I have a couple of shacks from Surrey s ( wrongside ...) that I haven't built yet but they are castings . The Bar Mills looks like a fun kit and you are doing a fine job with it .

TERRY


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/19/2004 12:28:27 PM
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Drew, Tom and John, glad to see that you are making progress on your projects. I haven't touched mine in a week. Maybe tonight I can squeeze in some modeling time.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/19/2004 5:00:27 PM
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Somebody is actually modeling.

Drew, like the roof. Fits the station well.

Tom, good looking walls.

John, nice job on the shacks. I was going to order some for challenge 3 but it appears I'll sit this one out since the original isn't included.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/20/2004 08:06:30 AM
Message:

I did some more work on the challenge project. I finished adding the mortar to the walls. It does not show up well in the pictures. I was somewhat disappointed in how it looked at first but after viewing some pictures of some old railroad bridge abutments and walls I realized that on many of them it is hard to see the mortar lines. I also painted the ground and I laid the mainline track.

I am deferring from working on the trolley line until I figure out how and what I am doing for the bridges and the roadway. Anyone have any suggestions on how to make a concrete road?

Here are some progress photos:









Here a few photos with the station temporarily in place.





Next on the agenda is to weather the track and ballast it. In the meantime I also have to make up list for a supply run to the LHS.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/20/2004 09:01:33 AM
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Tom,
I like the progress that you have made since your last post
I think the mortar lines do show up in the pictures.
I think that you will have a very nice diorama once you are done.
As for a concrete road I will let others offer their hints.
I have used Durham's Rock Hard Water Putty in the past to make roads and I think if you used this then you could carve some seams and cracks in the road and paint it a concrete color.
Mike just finished a road using the water putty and maybe he would have some suggestions for you.
Also Ken has done concrete sidewalks so maybe he could offer his suggestions.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/20/2004 8:02:39 PM
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Looking good Tom [:-thumbu]

I used cardstock for the streets and 1/16" hardboard for the sidewalks on Red Bird. I thought it turned out well and it was very easy to do.

You could also lay down some forms for the street, pour some PoP, level it and paint/weather it.

I'm sure others will have more idea's.


I decided to put a wood form around my challenge project since it'll go on a shelf for now. (Don't know if I like it or not) At least it's some progress[:-bigeyes]



Also had to try the new camera


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/20/2004 11:18:23 PM
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Tom, the stone walls turned out real good. You're making real good progress.

Ken, that is a sweet looking diorama. Oustanding!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/21/2004 06:30:38 AM
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Tom , looks like it is shaping up nicely for you . I'm looking forward to the final touches .

Beautifully finished Ken and IMO the wood border is a nice touch and gives it a more finished look in keeping with your overall theme .There is a lot of detail for a small scene and you've done a great job .

TERRY


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 05/21/2004 08:38:16 AM
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Ken - the wood looks good - brings a finishing touch to a beautiful diarama model.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 05/21/2004 08:46:33 AM
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Tom you are making great progress. Ken what can I say? Fantastic!!!! That is one sweet diorama.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/21/2004 09:18:07 AM
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Ken

WOW! The diorama looks great!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/21/2004 10:11:27 AM
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Ken, that is an excellent diorama! The trim around the base really adds to the whole scene and makes it all look like it should be a store display! Very nicely done! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/21/2004 11:01:16 AM
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Ken
The wood form that you used looks fantastic.
I hope the shelf that it will sit on is in your office or some other prominent place and not buried away in a closet with the unbuilt kits.


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 05/21/2004 1:48:18 PM
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Tom,
The diorama is looking good. I think the walls turned out well. Looking forward to progress photos of the completed diorama.

Ken,
Excellent diorama. The wooden trim sets it off. I particular like the various shades of green in the foliage.

Both of you, great job.

Jim


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/22/2004 09:04:10 AM
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Just a quick update on my station. Last night I bent some blackened brass wire into pull handles and added those to the freight doors I built last weekend. I also started staining the stripwood for the large freight dock, and I hope to begin construction on the dock this evening.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/23/2004 11:52:44 AM
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As we find ourselves hurtling at breakneck speed towards the June 30 deadline , I decided to get moving on some finishing touches .The roof is about the way I like it .The gravel is darker on the roof near the entrance ...just thought it should look that way .I went with ribs on the roof to coincide with the stalls .Everything seems to fit but the front doors will be a chore . Some days I just want to glue them open .
I'm going to have lighting inside , so will finish some roof beams to make it more realistic ( since the roof is removeable )
So it's door hinges , roof trusses , lights ....then plant it on the layout and continue with the diorama ...lots of work ahead .









You guys have given me many helpful tips along the way , so far , and I am much appreciative believe me .Your ideas are invaluable .

TERRY


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 05/23/2004 12:51:14 PM
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Terry-looks really neat!


Reply author: Glen Haasdyk
Replied on: 05/23/2004 2:14:25 PM
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Excellent work Terry! I see that you included the roof ribs. They add quite alote to the area.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 05/23/2004 2:43:42 PM
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Terry,
The weathering on that roof looks fantastic! [:-thumbu]
Ken,
Man, I am just left speechless by the quality of your modeling![:-bigeyes2]
The finishing touches you've added give your diorama a real museum-quality look!
Tom,
Your station scene is really starting to come together! [:-thumbu]

Well, I have very little to report, as usual...
I did mount the station on a piece of mat-board, which is something that always helps the appearance of an N scale model...It raises the structure slightly, thereby lowering the profile of the track, which is always a good thing when it comes to N scale...



I also had a window opening on the end of the station that I had botched...so I just "boarded" it up...


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/23/2004 9:15:11 PM
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Guys , I'd like any suggestions about lighting . I've never done it before . Karl suggested using Miniatronics 1.5 volt lamps .I guess the style that I'd like , if possible , would be a swagged lamp , maybe 2 to a bay so 10 lamps hanging down . I'm not sure how thick the wire would be ...as I would try to adhere it to the beams but where and how do I take it to the power supply .And can I use an old power pack ?
Here are a couple of inside shots to show what I'm working with .I'll be installing more cross beams too .










I was thinking that the lights would look good hanging over the middle of each bay .Again , this would require cross braces , but smaller lumber than the main beams ....maybe 2x10's

Thanks ,guys , for your help .

TERRY


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/23/2004 11:11:43 PM
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Terry:

If you want interior lights may I suggest Miniatronics. They make some very samll 1.5 volt almost scale lamps. They are really cool. They are Model # 72-001-05 and are called Lamp Shade With Bulb N Scale 1.5 volt. You get 5 for $9.95. They are N Scale but are perfect for HO.

Karl S


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/24/2004 08:06:28 AM
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Drew

The station is coming along nice. Isn't it neat how when we screw up something we can turned it into something worthwhile. Nice solution to your window problem.

Terry
I can not believe how great the roof turned out. Awesome. Looks like you are really doing well with the roundhouse.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/24/2004 08:38:53 AM
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Drew and Terry
You both look like with a month to go that you will be able to complete your projects.
Great job.
Terry, I am sure you will come up with a workable solution for the doors.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/24/2004 09:27:33 AM
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Terry, your roof looks excellent! Very nicely done!

Drew, as always, you find creative but solid solutions to "goofs." It's looking really good!

I got most of the framing done for the large (angular) freight dock last evening but ran out of time to put the decking on. Next weekend, I guess.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/24/2004 9:02:54 PM
Message:

Looking good Terry [:-thumbu]

I think the lights that Karl suggested would work good. Run the wires along the beams and out the back or bottom. I used an old Atlas power supply for the lights on my small layout. The brightness of the lights can be adjusted up or down as needed.

I have an extra if you want it. Let me know.

Looking good also Drew. At least you made some progress which is good. Keep it going.[:-thumbu]


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/24/2004 9:48:11 PM
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Terry, the roof looks good. Can't wait till you post a night scene picture with the lights turned on. Got a feeling it will look very good.

Drew, another very creative solution to a problem. Well done.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/25/2004 9:48:08 PM
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Hi all
Well I have spent the day trying to figure out what I can get completed by the end of June.
What with getting the house ready for sale and also with having packed a lot of my materials away, I have had to make some modifications to the original plan for now.

The most noticeable one if you remember the picture of the mock-up way back in the beginning is the elimination of the building extension off the rear of the gas station.
I will have to make some adjustment as I only painted the top since I figured that the lower portion would be covered by the extension.

This complex will be on the water and the small shack(Shack #3 from the Shack Pack from Bar Mills) on the far right as viewed from the water will be a fueling dock for boats.

I now think that this will be all I can get accomplished in the time I have left this month.
I have roofs to finish, the front of the gas station to complete and of course lots of details to add.

The diorama as viewed from the water(now a piece of plywood) will sit to the right of the Foss' Landing diorama.








Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/25/2004 11:10:16 PM
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John , I guess you ' gotta do what you gotta do ' . Moving and modelling don't mix too well .It's probably more important at this stage to get the house ready .It's a big move for you. There will always be other projects .You've got some great work done so far ....the shacks and shantys add a lot of character to the scene and I'm sure it will all come together down the road when you can concentrate more .
Good Luck in the move .
TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/26/2004 12:26:33 AM
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John, you have made some very substantial progress. I love it when you start putting your structures together on a diorama base because everything looks so plausible. You've got a great eye for what goes together and looks "right." [:-thumbu]


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 05/26/2004 01:44:22 AM
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John, Terry you guys are making some real nice progress on your projects.

Terry from when you first showed the rough cut roof pieces til now you
must have sanded, cut, and test fit those pieces many times as the fit seems to be
real good now. Have you updated the webpage lately to include progress?

John I like the stone retaining walls are they handmade or are
they premade castings? I would like make some for myself but
used the wrong material as a master since after about ten casts
it really started to loose its crispness. Could tell me what to
use as a master carving material?


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/26/2004 08:02:45 AM
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John you have made some great progress. Things are looking well for your project!

I weathered the track on my diorama the other night. Last night I ballasted the track. I checked it this morning and things were still wet and loose. I may need to hit it with some more glue solution when I get home from work today. I will also try to take a few more progress photos.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/26/2004 3:02:44 PM
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Thanks all for the nice words of encouragement.

Terry,
I hope to complete the part of the structure that I am leaving off once I move.
Since I will have to pack this all away I will not be mounting anything permanently and this will only be a temporary diorama base.

Pat,
The stone castings are by Builders In Scale and are from the Waterfront kit they produced many years ago.
I am using them here to save some time.
Stone walls of this type are rare in Alaska and wood walls would be more appropriate.
I have never done any casting or carving so I am afraid that I can not be of much help there.
Well keep your fingers crossed that I can finish by the deadline.


Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 05/26/2004 5:53:40 PM
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Hi All:

Everyone's projects look like they a comming along very well. Everyone keep up the good work and keep the pics comming.

Karl S


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/26/2004 10:30:21 PM
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John, that's going to be a nice scene when you complete it. you have done a good job of arranging the buildings.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/26/2004 11:09:19 PM
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Here are my latest set of progress photos. I have laid the track. I have weathered the track and I have also placed the ballast. After I took these pictures I had to apply more glue to ballast.









Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/27/2004 12:04:24 AM
Message:

It's really starting to take shape now , Tom ,keep up the great work .[:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/27/2004 12:12:51 AM
Message:

Tom, this is starting to come together like your last diorama, and it's looking just as good! [:-thumbu] The station, some vegetation... and WOW!


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 05/27/2004 08:17:34 AM
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I'm trying to catch up on what's been happening on RR-L. It looks like a lot of great progress.

Chuck


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/27/2004 4:57:11 PM
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Looking good John. Hope to see more pics before you have to stop.

Remember when you pack it away to water Mike so he doesn't shrivel up.

Nice progress you made Tom. [:-thumbu] Keep it up.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/28/2004 11:49:56 AM
Message:

Believe it or not, I am making a little progress. As I said a couple of weeks back, I've given up on the wood which came with the kit, and I'm using Northeastern stripwood to finish everything up.

The large dock is framed, and I have the decking started. I hope to finish the decking this evening and then get the ramp built for it. The freight doors are obviously very simple in design/construction. I'm not sure I like the pull handles for them, but it's too late to change.[:-banghead]










Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/28/2004 10:17:17 PM
Message:

Well, I finally had the time to get caught up looking at this thread. I can't believe that two weeks have passed since the last time I looked in here.

Terry - I had fun watching your progress on the doors. The weathered roof looks great. Have you solved the hinge problem yet? I have used the Grandt Line hinge assortment (#5095), but their strap hinges are probably too small.

Drew - I like the tar paper roof on your station. What is next up on your list?

John - the inclusion of the Shack Pack was a great idea for your diorama. It is looking really good.

Tom - I see that you made a lot of progress on your rock work and that you have started with the ballast. It looks great.

Ken - The addition of the wood frame gives your great diorama a finished (and classy) look.[:-thumbu]

Mike - The freight doors came nice and the freight dock is looking good.

As for me, there has been no work for the past two weeks, and unless it rains some time over the long weekend, it is unlikely that much will get done then either.[:-boggled]


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/28/2004 10:21:55 PM
Message:

Very nice Mike.[:-thumbu] Looks like your going to be quite busy during the next few weeks to get it done.

Do you use copper wire for the door pulls?

Welcome back Bruce...we missed ya


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/28/2004 11:40:11 PM
Message:

Mike; Looking real good!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/29/2004 09:45:43 AM
Message:

Thanks, guys.

Ken, the wire is blackened brass. Some of the blackening came off while I was bending the wire into shape and cutting it to length.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 05/29/2004 4:24:55 PM
Message:

I haven't had a lot of time to model lately, but do manage to sqeeze in an hour here and there. Here are a couple of shots of my diorama.





Still need to add leaves to the trees and also add a few more trees. I bought some super trees a while back and haven't used them yet, so I though I might try them with this project. Also need to add the crates and barrels that came with the kit as well as some people. And some cross bucks and water in the creek and...


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 05/29/2004 9:27:16 PM
Message:

Mike and Rick , good to see both of you back in the hunt .Everything is looking very nice so far

terry


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/29/2004 9:46:58 PM
Message:

Rick

The station looks great!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 05/29/2004 9:50:54 PM
Message:

Well I ran into another small problem tonight. When I was getting ready to place the station I noticed it was sitting lower than I excepted in relation to the ballasted track. I then figured I need to raise it up somehow. I thought about all different options from removing some of the ballast and doing a PoP pour to using foam or poster board to raise the station. Finally in my search I found an unopened box of WS Mold a Scene. I quickly whipped up some and raised the station. Also this will help me contour the embankment for the station access road. Two problems solved at once for a change! Once it dries I paint it and place the station.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/30/2004 09:26:42 AM
Message:

Rick, the diorama is coming along nicely.

Tom, glad that you found a solution to your problem. Did the MOW crew have trouble moving the station so you could raise the base?


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/30/2004 3:01:06 PM
Message:

Looks good Rick.
You are also lucky since I have not seen the mad scientist(Barry) around with his electrical prods to stimulate you to finish up your project.
I thought about taking a break but with my luck the mad scientist would come out of hibernation and give me a jolt.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/30/2004 3:39:50 PM
Message:

Yeah, where is Barry?


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 05/30/2004 5:45:24 PM
Message:

Hi guys, I am in England and have been very busy with work and also building a layout room in the back section of our garage over here. Sorry to be missing the action but I have only a few free days to get the layout room done. It needed a ceiling put in and lighting which I have just finished this evening. On to the wall cladding and bench work tomorrow. It will be a small room, just 9 feet by 7 feet but given that I only have a few weeks at a time here it will be enough for a small switching layout.

A quick glance though this thread and I see some great stuff.

When I get back to Australia on the 26th June I will have to concentrate on the challenge to get it finished. I have a week's leave which I hope to put to good use.

I trust you are all well and hope to catch up on all the activity soon.

Regards

Barry


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 05/30/2004 11:10:28 PM
Message:

I knew the mad scientist was lurking in the background just looking for an opportunity to strike.
Welcome back Barry as I also was wondering what you have been up to.
Well to keep Barry happy I was able to do some work on the Challenge project today.
I added a back shed to the rear of the gas station to replace the original addition planned for the building.
Nothing is glued in place and I see the roof has slipped.







Since the gas station backs up to a river there will also be a fuel dock for boats.
I am using Shack #3 from the Shack pack by Bar Mills for this.
I also started playing around with the dock where the boats will anchor while receiving fuel.
I hope this progress keeps Barry smiling.



Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 05/30/2004 11:40:22 PM
Message:

Rick, your doing a great job with the station. Can't wait to see the details added.

Looking good John. I like how all the different structures fit together.

Nice to hear from you Barry. I thought you fell off the face of the earth...Welcome back.


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 05/31/2004 02:40:46 AM
Message:

Thanks guys, glad to see the progress being made here.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 05/31/2004 09:12:03 AM
Message:

John, nice progress photos. Notice that I'm not posting any.[:-banghead] Oh, I've made great progress over the past few days, but it was all out in the yard.[:-boggled]

Barry, glad to see you check in. I guess that we were all, independently, wondering where you were.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 05/31/2004 09:32:30 AM
Message:

John, you're making some really good progress now. Your whole diorama is starting to shape up very nicely. [:-thumbu]

Barry, I'm glad to see you're back. As you can tell, you've been missed around here.

I haven't gotten anything done since Thursday evening. We've had a houseful of company all weekend. Maybe tonight.... [:-eyebrows]


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/01/2004 7:45:38 PM
Message:

Thanks guys for the nice words. Unfortunately I have't done any more since since I posted those last pictures.

John, your my idol. You're getting a house ready to sell (painting, cleaning), work on the weekends, take care of the kids and who knows what else and you still manage to find time to work on your project. Nice going and looks great.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/01/2004 7:45:45 PM
Message:

Thanks again for the comments.
In order to get some perspective of how the Challenge project would sit next to Foss' Landing I set them up on the kitchen counter which is the only surface long enough to hold both dioramas.
I need to glue one of the stone retaining walls in place and then I will work the water's edge from there.
The lighting is bad and I had to use a flash which does not give realistic colors.
The Challenge project from last year attaches to the other side of Foss' Landing.




P.S. I also think I should finish the roof on the side of the gas station.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/01/2004 11:31:04 PM
Message:

John,
It is good to see an overview of how everything will fit together!

I finally got enough of the interior details painted that I could install some of it. The front & Side walls and the bay window are now glued together and to the base. The rear of the station is now removable, but I am not sure if I will leave it that way. I still need to build the waiting room benches which will be installed to the right of these pictures. The exterior walls are done and have advertising pictures installed. I now have to figure what to do with the roof. One thought is to glue the front roof and gable roof on the station and just leave the rear roof and rear wall removable.




Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/01/2004 11:49:19 PM
Message:

John, I truly believe that you're going to have one of the most amazing waterfront scenes in all of model railroading![:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

Bruce, I am absolutely blown away by your interior detailing! The phone on the wall is one of my favorites! The whole interior is a great mini-scene!


I think that each of these posts - John's and Bruce's - has the makings of a magazine article! You guys should really consider it!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/02/2004 12:18:59 AM
Message:

John

The scene is really coming together. The buildings look great!

Bruce

All I can come up with is WOW! What a great scene!


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 06/02/2004 04:02:45 AM
Message:

John and Bruce - FANTASTIC!


Reply author: paulbrockatsf
Replied on: 06/02/2004 04:15:02 AM
Message:

John & Bruce,
I have to agree with everyone else. Your modeling is first rate. The detail in both scenes is amazing.

John,
I love your rock wall.

Bruce,
I like the phone as well as the clock on the wall. Your desk looks great.

Paul B


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/02/2004 08:51:12 AM
Message:

Bruce , that is a marvellous job of detailing the interior . I especially like the little extras like the clock , wall phone and desk blotter .Very realistic effect .

Thats an ambitious project , Bags .Lots going on .I really like wharf scenes and I think by the time you get to the final details you'll be very pleased with the results .Will you be doing water and boats down the road ?

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/02/2004 09:05:31 AM
Message:

Bruce that is one beautiful interior that you have created for your station.
Love all the details that you have added.
Not sure how you did the floor but in the picture it looks as if you have the knots captured as they would appear in a pine floor.
I was in a model railroad museum in Chattanooga this summer which was a restored station and it was paneled just the way you have yours.
You have also done an outstanding job framing the windows and doors.
This will definitely be a centerpiece on your layout.

Terry yes water and boats are in the future.
I will use gloss medium for temporary water and then once moved and everything is permanently mounted will use Envirotex for the water.
I also need some boats and I like the one that Nick and the other Terry did.
I believe it was a sardine boat.
Thanks all for the positive comments also.


Reply author: inspecbri
Replied on: 06/03/2004 1:20:04 PM
Message:

John & Bruce...You guys are kickin you know what! Your winning awards inside and outside!
John, I have to go with Mike on the waterfront scene. It truly looks great and I'm certain better in person....Bigs hats are off to you.

Bruce, your interior is most excellent indeed! I love the woody colors and railings. Great job! I'll have to go back through and look at your other pics. I enjoy checking in and finding some new great pics..Thanks for the views.

Brian


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/03/2004 7:52:01 PM
Message:

Bruce, fantastic job on the interior.[:-thumbu][:-star] Nice job on the color of the walls and floor.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/03/2004 11:39:21 PM
Message:

Gentlemen,thank you for the comments. The stripwood that I used for the interior paneling was stained with MicroMark's Age-It-Easy (Brown). I made the floor by taking the "plywood" base that came with the kit and scribing lines on it. It was then stained with Age-It-Easy Brown and then given a A&I wash. When I did the wash, those "knot holes" appeared. The rail is plastic and made by Grandt Line (#5035)


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 06/03/2004 11:47:31 PM
Message:

John,

The wharf scene is great. It is definitely one of the best I've seen.

Bruce,

Excellent details on the interior. The wall coloring is great. I especially like the knotholes on the floor. Thanks for letting us know what products you used.

To both of you great modeling and thanks for sharing.

Jim


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/05/2004 11:32:35 AM
Message:

This will be a very short update: last evening I reached a "crossroads" of sorts. I'm at the point where I'm going to have to take my station home and finish it there. I have all of the major construction now finished (except for the roof) but I don't want to start attaching the docks and small details until I have it transported back to the city.

I'll post a photo or two later when I get a chance.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/05/2004 10:29:28 PM
Message:

Here are a couple of snapshots of the side freight dock. As already mentioned, it was built board-by-board. It's not attached to the station yet, and there's still another ramp to be constructed.






Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/05/2004 10:45:34 PM
Message:

Mike,
I like that loading dock--especially the idea of the recessed ramp.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/06/2004 2:46:58 PM
Message:

Guy leaves for a week and is greeted by some amazing modeling.

Bruce, that is fantastic![:-thumbu] Simply incredible.

John, get a move on. I wanna see your waterfront when your finally settled in your new place. [:-thumbu]

Mike, I also like the recessed ramp. Very nice touch.[:-thumbu]

Well, my little people have arrived and I had a chance to place them about. I guess my challenge project is complete.







And finally, a double anchovie pizza for John


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/06/2004 3:19:36 PM
Message:

Mike,
Looking good and I am forward to how you will detail your station.

Ken,
Very impressive diorama you have created.
The little people certainly bring the diorama to life.[:-party]
Thanks for the double anchovie pizza.[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/06/2004 9:20:33 PM
Message:

Wow!!! What a beautiful diorama, Ken! Everything about it, from the models themselves to the contest-style base and sides, is simply excellent!

--------------------

Thanks for the compliments, guys. To set the record straight, though, the ramp on the dock was built according to Campbell's template. I'm using my own stripwood but still building as much as possible according to the drawings.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/06/2004 9:39:40 PM
Message:

Absolutely stunning , Ken .The debris , colour toning on the gravel,foliage , lp's at work ...you really did it all . The details are magnificent ...I've looked at it 10 times and see 10 different details .

TERRY


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/06/2004 10:41:32 PM
Message:

Ken,
Simply outstanding!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/06/2004 10:53:13 PM
Message:

Ken

Great job!

Mike

Looks like you are making some great progress!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/06/2004 11:06:04 PM
Message:

Mike , I've built 2 Quincy's in the past , the second one was about 5 years ago . On both occasions I built the dock as per the instructions . Your board on board of that side dock is very tricky with the angles you encountered . The nail holes and uneven staining ( darker in the ' heavily treaded areas ' ) make for a very nice , subtle piece of work .The blistered paint really adds to effect .[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 06/07/2004 03:25:59 AM
Message:

Ken, very well done indeed, and first to finish the challenge too if I am not mistaken. It's great from every angle.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/07/2004 07:23:26 AM
Message:

I actually got the time to glue the roof sections together yesterday. I decided to make the roof one removable unit, so I braced it very well from underneath. Although I started installing the roof shingles, there are several more hours of that ahead.[:-boggled]


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 06/07/2004 07:36:55 AM
Message:

Ken that is most excellent!


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/07/2004 07:59:30 AM
Message:

Ken, outstanding work. Excellent job of painting, detailing and scenery.

Mike, the dock looks great.

I added a couple of trees and bushes to my scene. Still need to weather the station a bit and finish adding the details.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/07/2004 08:10:23 AM
Message:

Let’s see I actually had time this weekend to do a few things. First I painted the big blob of Mold-A-Scene to match the rest of the ground. I then glued down some sandpaper that will be the access road. I am trying something new here as a few folks suggested this as a good way to do certain types of roads. I will paint it tonight. Hopefully I will have some progress photos afterward.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/07/2004 8:51:06 PM
Message:

Well I have been slowly making some progress on the project.
I now have positioned the Challenge project across the street from Booty Corner.

I have done some work on the gas station and the backside is almost done.
Aside from one window in the front all I need to build is the overhang that will cover the gas pumps and add some signs for Dutchman's Texaco.
In my desire to have a waterfront with something on the water I will be constructing the Bomar Utility Barge by Fos and have purchased a Harbor Tug that will be towing the barge.
I am not sure if these will be completed by June 30th.
Again I apologize about the lighting as they are sitting on the kitchen counter because of the size.

The first picture is looking ashore from the water and you can see Booty Corner in the background.



The second picture is looking from behind Booty Corner towards the water.


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 06/07/2004 9:38:37 PM
Message:

Ken,
Beautiful diorama and modeling. That's a thumbs up project.[:-thumbu]

John,
The waterfront scene is amazing. [:-thumbu] I agree whole heartedly that it's going to be one of the best.

Jim


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 06/07/2004 10:12:37 PM
Message:

Ken,
I really like how your diorama turned out. The sign for the coal dealership (your "Fenimore" structure) is a terrific tie in with other parts of the layout. A great touch.

John,
Looks great! I can't wait to see it finished!

Chuck


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/07/2004 10:17:34 PM
Message:

John, great looking scene. How big is the whole scene going to be?


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/07/2004 10:28:38 PM
Message:

John,
With all you are doing in preparation for the move, I think that you have accomplished a lot on the Challenge. I can't wait to see the progress on Dutchman's Texaco (where I assume gas prices will not fluctuate with the market).


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/08/2004 12:02:49 AM
Message:

John

What a great looking scene you have got there! WOW!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/08/2004 12:10:32 AM
Message:

John, your whole diorama is just astounding! I love the way it's coming together! [:-thumbu][:-thumbu]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/08/2004 07:52:14 AM
Message:

I finally got done something worth photographing. I glued down some sandpaper to make the access road for the station and painted it. I am trying something new here that I have read about in several places. I also attached the station to the diorama.

Here is the pictures:






Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/08/2004 08:51:47 AM
Message:

Tom,
It is good to see that you are started on the Diorama. I will be lucky just to finish the basic model by June 30th! Keep those update pictures coming.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/08/2004 09:05:45 AM
Message:

Thanks all for the complements.
The salt box is from the BIS kit called the Waterfront which also includes 2 other structures which will be to the right of the salt box looking from the water.

Tom,
Your diorama is shaping up quite nicely.
It is a great feeling to get things mounted permanently to the diorama.

Bruce,
Gas prices will hopefully be typical for 1986 whatever they were at that time.
They will only increase if I need to purchase more scratch building supplies for Challenge #3.

Rick,
The diorama's all put together are about 8 feet in length by 3 feet deep.
That includes what is in the latest picture plus Foss' Landing and Challenge #1.

There is one major dilemma that I have and that is there is no railroad track anywhere on the dioramas.
I am not sure how the final arrangement will look as I am not sure how the basement will be set up after I move but right now I have planned for some track to be placed between the gas station and Booty Corner which will parallel the road.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/08/2004 10:02:58 AM
Message:

Tom, you and most of the other guys are miles ahead of me now. Your diorama is looking good! I can't wait to see it with vegetaton and trees!

quote:
Originally posted by Dutchman

Tom,
It is good to see that you are started on the Diorama. I will be lucky just to finish the basic model by June 30th! Keep those update pictures coming.



Bruce, I'm in the same boat (or is it a passenger coach? ). I brought my Quincy Station home from the lake yesterday so that I could devote more time to it and hopefully get it finished. But I have this feeling that "things" will get in the way - as they always do - and I'll still be plodding along at the end of the month. My only real hope is that the weather will turn so hot that I won't want to go outside during the daytime but will stay inside and work on the station. [:-eyebrows]


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/08/2004 4:33:48 PM
Message:

Interesting concept Tom. I've used cardstock before but never sandpaper. Are you satisfied with the results?

Like Mike said, bring on the green[:-thumbu]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/08/2004 4:46:16 PM
Message:

Tom, is that the M-a-S ? Looks like peanut butter , smooth AND crunchy . It still looks wet ! I'm assuming you coloured it ? Weird stuff .

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/09/2004 09:43:32 AM
Message:

Ken

The jury is still out. I was told the sandpaper would give the road that rough look.

Terry

I think it is dry. I painted it about two days before I started placing the sandpaper.

Well I have gone and added the green. I still have to go back and hit a few spots after it dries.

Here the progress photos:









Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/09/2004 09:57:09 AM
Message:

It's amazing how much difference vegetation makes on a diorama or layout, isnt it? Looking good, Tom. [:-thumbu]


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 06/09/2004 10:41:51 AM
Message:

Tom,

The diorama is looking good. I like the contours and erosional landscape you have modeled. What a great idea. The ground cover really emphasizes the gullies. Any water planned?

Great job folks.

Jim


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/09/2004 10:45:15 AM
Message:

Looks great TOM , are you SURE that's not a CHIA PET you bought at Wallmart ??

TERRY


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/09/2004 8:14:39 PM
Message:

Tom,
The ground cover is starting to give it that finished look.[:-thumbu]

Well, I got all the roof shingles on the station. Now I need to finish up a few more interior details and begin painting/weathering the roof.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/09/2004 8:24:38 PM
Message:

Nice job Tom[:-thumbu] It makes the nooks and crannies really stand out. Can't wait to see more pics of your progress.



Terry...Terry...Terry


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/09/2004 9:22:41 PM
Message:

WOW!
Everyone is doing such FANTASTIC work here!
I haven't been around for a couple of days...in the process of doing a systems restoration on this %$#! machine! [:-banghead]
Everyone is naking really nice progress! [:-thumbu]
I've made a little progress on my project...
I added a foundation to the little shed addition...



I set the station in its new home on the layout to take this shot...(still lots of scenicking to do)



I'm still working on adding figures & details...


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/09/2004 10:19:46 PM
Message:

Great job Drew! Looks right at home on the layout.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/09/2004 11:01:41 PM
Message:

Drew,
It looks like you are in striking distance of completion! (I like that close-up picture--it shows the detail beautifully.)


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/10/2004 08:22:39 AM
Message:

Tom and Drew, you're both making good progress and looks like you'll be done on time. Thanks for the pictures.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/10/2004 10:38:36 AM
Message:

Drew, I really like the station in its setting on the layout. The other structures and scenery make a great frame for showing it! And I still really like the bay window and roof on the front![:-thumbu]

--------------------
On my own front, I decided to shingle the roof of my station rather than use the corrugated roofing that came with the kit. So a couple of nights ago, I was counting and guesstimating how many shingle strips I would have left over from my RRC structures. I wanted to use them on the station. I figured I'd have enough. But yesterday, while at the LHS, I happened to find several packages of Builders in Scale "rough cut" cedar shingles in a sale bin. I couldn't pass them up. These are the original "TrueWood" shingles from the "old" BiS, and they'll look great on the station. I hope to get a couple sheets of them stained and ready for installation later today.

The owner also had a couple packages of BiS fishscale and diamond-cut shingles in the sale bin, so I took those also. [:-eyebrows]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/10/2004 3:20:25 PM
Message:

Tom and Drew it definitely looks as if you will finish on time with very nice dioramas.

I am running out of time and with a week needed in June to move things to Georgia I may not finish everything by the deadline.
I also have a problem in that I will have to transport my dioramas 1600 miles when I move.
Thus the diorama base for this Challenge project may be temporary since I have to move the other dioramas with minimal damage.

I took a few pictures of how things will look when I combine the 2 Challenge projects, Foss' Landing, Booty Corner, and FOS Drive.
I took the pictures on my back porch but since it was cloudy I did not place the completed Fos kits on their diorama.
I took these pictures hoping that I can duplicate this in my new basement in Georgia.

View of the riverfront from the water.



Using paint I was able to draw in the track(black line) and the roads(white lines).
I was also able to show where the structures from Fos would go and also Diljak's Funeral Parlor which will be the Magnuson kit I bought.
The kit is packed away so it will have to wait until I relocate to finish.
Also there will be a post office which will be scratch built between Booty Corner and the Fos structures.





Now it is time to finish up the gas station.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/10/2004 3:38:06 PM
Message:

Wow, John![:-thumbu] This is going to make a tremendous scene when it's all together and fully scenicked. You're going to have dozens of photo angles also. I'm looking forward to seeing this when it's all finished up.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/10/2004 5:56:36 PM
Message:

Mike, when you find a sale bin like that, you just have to clean it out. You know that you would regret it if you didn't.

John, when you finally build your layout, your diorama has to be on a peninsula so that it can be seen from all angles!


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/10/2004 7:51:52 PM
Message:

Drew, the progress you have made up to this point is impressive. [:-thumbu]

John, is that all the bigger the waterfront will be...[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes] Hope the move goes quick and painless.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/10/2004 9:07:04 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Marken



John, is that all the bigger the waterfront will be...[:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes] Hope the move goes quick and painless.



Well Ken:
Actually I am waiting for Brett to announce his next waterfront kit from Sierra West.
Should be anytime now.
Then I have to complete the Waterfront from Builders In Scale and add the three structures to the waterfront and then ...............

Since I am on a roll a couple or three more pictures.
This is the front of the Texaco station with the signs added.
Still have to finish the roof and add the gas pump nozzles, etc.

Mr. Bruce went all out in purchasing large signs.





This is the shack that will service the waterfront pumps along with an Alaska State Police vehicle checking things out.

Notice nothing has been Dull-coted but it will be.



Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/10/2004 9:23:19 PM
Message:

John,
You know, you just can't do enough advertising! The station & signs are looking great--again, I am flattered.

Here are a few progress photos of the exterior of my station.






Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/10/2004 9:46:40 PM
Message:

Looking good guys. [:-thumbu]

John, did Brett give any hint on what the next kit will be? I'm curious. Just might purchase my first SW kit.

Bruce, I really like the colors. Superb![:-thumbu]

I'm bored so I got Red Bird back out and started adding some more details.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/10/2004 10:17:43 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Marken

Looking good guys. [:-thumbu]

John, did Brett give any hint on what the next kit will be? I'm curious. Just might purchase my first SW kit.

Bruce, I really like the colors. Superb![:-thumbu]

I'm bored so I got Red Bird back out and started adding some more details.



Ken,
Brett posted the following in a thread on this forum back in November 2003.
Foss' Shipyard is my next kit due out early 2004 - after I get caught up shipping the reissues of Scotia and the Water Tank. It will feature a good sized ship under construction, a complete boilerhouse/mill engine/cut-off saw complex for cutting the large timbers used to construct the ships, wood drying and storage yard, multiple wharves with tracks, etc. . .

I have been working on its design for over a year and it incorporates elements of two different prototype structures as well as that all important craftsmen kit "fancy". Tons of new castings, many goodies to enjoy!

He also mentions that it will be a limited edition kit and also big.
I would like to see some elements of Pillar Point Marine Railway" by Mic Greenberg included in the kit which was just the topic of a separate thread.

Bruce,
I agree with Ken and also like the color choice.
Your nail holes are outstanding (2 in every board).
I assume you did these by hand and not with a ponce wheel.
Again that will be some masterpeiece once it is completed.


P.S. Ken,
Does that mean more pictures of Red Bird are forthcoming.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/10/2004 10:35:51 PM
Message:

John,
I would love to take credit for those great nail holes, but they were put in by Art & crew at Bar Mills up in "the great state of Maine."


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/10/2004 10:54:34 PM
Message:

John

That will look like one great scene! Very impressive!

Bruce

WOW! The station looks great. I too love those nail holes. They really make the station outstanding!


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/11/2004 07:47:33 AM
Message:

Very Impressive John. I like the way you have layed out the buildings, streets and track. It's going to be a nice looking town. Maybe I missed it, but do you have a name for the town this will be?

Bruce, the station is looking good. Well done.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/11/2004 08:58:13 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by LocoRick

Very Impressive John. I like the way you have layed out the buildings, streets and track. It's going to be a nice looking town. Maybe I missed it, but do you have a name for the town this will be?





Rick,
Actually I have named this town after a real one in Alaska.
Nenana which is a riverfront town.
The reason is that I have already built the Nenana Depot by AMB and this is why I did not pick a station for the Challenge project.
The depot is opposite the barge in the picture.
Nenana is where supplies are off loaded from the train to be transported by barges to the small communities in Alaska that are not accessible by rail or roads.
I am however taking a fair amount of poetic licence when I model Nenana.



Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/11/2004 10:25:55 AM
Message:

I was gone most of yesterday, so I'm just getting caught up on the latest posts. You guys are leaving me in the dust now!

John, that's a great looking gas station. I really like the peeling paint on the blue shed. Nice job of weathering! [:-thumbu]

Bruce, I really like the careful, well-kept appearance of your station. I think it's far more realistic than what I did with mine. After I finished painting mine, I realized I probably shouldn't have weathered it as much as I did. I think most railroads tried to keep their stations well maintained as long as they could even when everything else was becoming run down.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/11/2004 12:22:44 PM
Message:

John,
Man, you are really going all out with this diorama! The scope of the project, & level of detailing are just incredible! [:-bigeyes]
Bruce,
What a classic beauty of a station! Very nicely done! [:-thumbu]

quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

Drew, I really like the station in its setting on the layout. The other structures and scenery make a great frame for showing it! And I still really like the bay window and roof on the front![:-thumbu]



Thanks for the compliment, Mike!
There is some scenery in the atrea behind the station, but where the station itself is sitting, it is basically blue foam, painted brown, with some track glued on it...no ballast, no ground cover, no trees, etc...
That was why I entered this challenge, thinking it would give me the kick in the pants I needed to get something done on this side of the layout![:-bulb][:-banghead]
I won't consider this finished until both the structure & the scene are done. [:-sing]


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/11/2004 6:41:11 PM
Message:

Got a couple more pics that really show the lack of scenery on this part of the layout...






Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/11/2004 7:19:55 PM
Message:

Haven't touched my Challenge 2 lately ...but I've been watching the postings .
Great work , guys . Tom , Drew , Bags , Bruce ...all making good headway , interesting ideas .[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/11/2004 7:43:47 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Drew

Got a couple more pics that really show the lack of scenery on this part of the layout...


Drew,
The key word in that sentence is LAYOUT.
At least you have one up and running.
All I have is my diorama bases (pieces of plywood) that I can set up and move around on my back deck.
Have not run a train in over a year.
So your layout looks mighty good even without scenery to someone who still does not have one.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/11/2004 9:26:55 PM
Message:

Drew, to paraphrase Jim's "signature" line, don't think of it as a lack of scenery on that part of the layout. Rather, think of it as an opportunity to create a scene of excellence!


Reply author: Wallace
Replied on: 06/12/2004 02:56:17 AM
Message:

That appears to be a LaBelle car standing at the station; I am glad to see someone else building those cars. I consider them to be the closest thing to scratchbuilding you can get in a kit. No wonder the station look good.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/12/2004 09:43:43 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

Drew, to paraphrase Jim's "signature" line, don't think of it as a lack of scenery on that part of the layout. Rather, think of it as an opportunity to create a scene of excellence!




Ahhh, yes...I see...that's one of those "the glass is half full" philosophies!
Thanks Mike! You always know how to put in an encouraging word!
John,
Thanks...the layout is "up & running" some of the time! [:-boggled] She's down right now for "scenic improvements"!
Wallace,
I hate to confess this, but that combine is just a cheapo Model Power car, that I "fixed up"a little, with new couplers, paint, & weathering, & a few little details...I'm modeling this in N scale, & I don't think LaBelle ever made any N scale kits...? But I'll take your mistake as very high praise! Thanks!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/13/2004 4:31:44 PM
Message:

Well, the interior of the station is done (at least for now). I can always insert additional items from above by removing the roof, but I want to glue the rear wall on now because I am getting some warping of the side walls. (For instance, I have a desk lamp on order, so when it comes in, I can paint it and set it on the desk.)







And this will be the only interior view available from now on, since I have glued the rear wall on.


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 06/13/2004 5:13:43 PM
Message:

Bruce the interior keeps better looking everytime I see it great improvements. The man sitting closest to the camera in the brown suit for some reason looks like his head is to big for his body is this just the angle of the shot? Or is that the famous Mr Big? :-) Pat


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/13/2004 6:18:11 PM
Message:

Great work there , Bruce and Drew , your final details are really on the money as we get close to the end of the Challenge .Nice job , both of you .

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/13/2004 7:46:16 PM
Message:

Bruce
Outstanding craftsmanship on your station.
That is a masterpiece.
I really like the fact that you did the interior.
I was tempted to do the interior of the station that I built years ago but decided against it and glued the roof on.
Now that I have seen an interior done I just might have to give it a try.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/13/2004 8:13:03 PM
Message:

Wow Bruce! That is just AWESOME!! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/14/2004 07:56:00 AM
Message:

Bruce, that interior is fantastic![:-thumbu][:-thumbu] It's a shame to add the fourth wall and roof to cover up all that detail.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/14/2004 08:34:02 AM
Message:

Drew

The station scene looks great!

Bruce

it keeps getting better and better!


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/14/2004 10:14:26 AM
Message:

Bruce, I am absolutely impressed! I love the overall layout and detailing of the station's interior!

I agree with Rick: it's a shame that fourth wall had to be glued on. At least you were able to get some really nice photos beforehand.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/14/2004 6:31:29 PM
Message:

Well, it;s June the 14th...we're comin' into the home stretch on this Challenge...I'm hopin' I'm going to make it! [:-crazy]
I've gotten most of the detailing done, & the structure is now planted in its new home on the layout...I've still got scenery to get done to "blend" everything together...(Bruce cost me at least a couple of hours, that I spent crawling around on the floor looking for my jaw & eyeballs, after looking at his interior pics! )
No pics at this point...probably later tonight, or tomorrow!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/15/2004 08:34:44 AM
Message:

Drew,
I hope your facial features are back in place and doing well!

I got a little time last night to detail the left side of the station. With the deadline so close, I think that all I will be able to do is complete the exterior with no diorama.[:-boggled]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/15/2004 08:51:22 AM
Message:

Great detailing Bruce!

I still need to get to the LHS and get some supplies so I can make one more stab at getting the project at least half done.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/15/2004 09:00:17 AM
Message:

Bruce ,there are nice details wherever you look and it all balances perfectly .I hope you aren't going to let that one collect dust on a shelf , it should be prominently displayed on a layout or diorama .I'm amazed at all the different shades and textures you've come up with .Great work.
TERRY


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/15/2004 7:27:51 PM
Message:

Hi all!
Well, I've finally gotten the station on the layout! [:-jump]
I had said earlier that I wanted to raise the structure slightly, to lower the track profile a little...I started by cutting a random shaped piece of cardboard from an old kit box...



I already had the station mounted on a piece of mat-board, so I dlued this in place next...



I used Sculpyamold, to kind of "blend" ut all into the surrounding scene...



I then painted all this with tan latex, & sprinkled on sifted dirt...



I then ballasted the track...(note, also, that several trees have also sprouted in the lower right)



& here's a couple more pics...




Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/15/2004 7:42:19 PM
Message:

Drew,
Another great job of making a structure blend into the scenery![:-thumbu]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/15/2004 7:53:17 PM
Message:

Drew,
As usual with your models that little station looks like it has been located there forever.
Very nice job of fitting it in on the layout.

Bruce,
I am afraid I am pretty much in the same situation that you are.
I do not have enough days left to get everything completed by the end of June since on Sunday I am driving a truck filled with all my earthly possessions to Georgia.
I will be back on the following Friday June 25th and I still will have my Challenge project home with me.
So if I do not complete everything by then at least I will have time in early July to get it completed.


Reply author: ETinBH
Replied on: 06/15/2004 7:55:12 PM
Message:

wow good work, drew


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/15/2004 8:42:43 PM
Message:

Very nice Bruce[:-thumbu] I hope you take your time with the rest. Keep us posted with some pics. One amazing station.

Coming along nicely Drew. It's amazing how fast those trees grow I like your solution to raise the station. Looks like it worked out rather well.

John, you have a safe trip.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/15/2004 9:22:45 PM
Message:

I hope all of us (and I do include myself) who are not able to finish by the deadline will go ahead and finish up sometime during the summer and post some final photos.

Bruce, your station looks as good on the outside as it does on the inside. What a great model!!!

Drew, your solution was almost identical to the one I used for a structure on my Railroad Camp diorama. Thanks heavens for cardboard and utility knives! You station really looks good in its new home! [:-thumbu]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as John. I'm leaving town tomorrow for a family "gathering" this coming Friday, but we won't be back home until sometime next week. So I'll lose several evenings of work time on this project as a result. I keep telling myself that if I just set aside one or two days and go at it (instead of mowing the grass or weeding flower beds).... ahh, but there'd be something else come along singing its sirens' song... [:-banghead]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/15/2004 9:32:04 PM
Message:

Well I had a chance to do some work on the Challenge project.
This is a view from the water (black painted plywood) of the fuel dock with a barge that will be in tow behind a river tug.
Since I am waiting for the tug kit to arrive you will have to use your imagination but the tug will be getting diesel fuel from the red pump in the middle.
The barge is a modified Bomar Barge from Fos Scale Limited since I have left off the shack that is on the deck.
Since I have 3 of these kits I figured I would do them all a little bit differently.
I have many castings to paint and some trim to finish on the barge.
But at least I have accomplished something since the last post.





Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/15/2004 11:25:58 PM
Message:

Drew

Great job! The station looks great in its new home.

John

It keeps getting better each time post pictures! Awesome job.

As for me I need to get the LHS. I am hoping I can do it Friday.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/16/2004 12:22:56 AM
Message:

John,
Yes, I can picture the tug pulling the barge, and I think that it is going to look great. With all you have had going on in your life, I think that you have accomplished quite a bit on the Challenge.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/16/2004 07:38:46 AM
Message:

Bruce, the outside looks as good as the inside.

Drew, a masterful job of scenery work making the station look like it's been there for a long time.

John, even without the tug it's a heck of a scene. I agree with what Bruce said, considering everything else going on in your life you still manage to make good progress on your project.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/16/2004 10:13:07 AM
Message:

John, as always, you've got a beautifully conceived and built diorama! Great work!

---------------------------

Well, I was making pretty good progress shingling the roof of Quincy Station last night.... until I realized I'm not going to have enough shingles![:-banghead] I had decided to use the BiS cedar shingles I got last week and thought the two packages would do the job. Unfortunately, I'm going to run short on the second roof half. So now I'm going to give a lot of thought to how I can mix some Campbell's paper shingles with the cedar shingles so that the roof appears to have been patched or reshingled in places. It won't be quite the appearance I wanted, but it will have to do. Anyway, I can't do anything more until I return home next week.


Reply author: cooldavion
Replied on: 06/16/2004 10:51:06 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by MikeC

Well, I was making pretty good progress shingling the roof of Quincy Station last night.... until I realized I'm not going to have enough shingles![:-banghead] I had decided to use the BiS cedar shingles I got last week and thought the two packages would do the job. Unfortunately, I'm going to run short on the second roof half. So now I'm going to give a lot of thought to how I can mix some Campbell's paper shingles with the cedar shingles so that the roof appears to have been patched or reshingled in places. It won't be quite the appearance I wanted, but it will have to do. Anyway, I can't do anything more until I return home next week.




Mike did you do the front or back ?
I don't knw if it would be fitting for your case, but I know that some times with Historic Houses the owner will keep the front roof original ( slate, ceader, . . ) and re-roof the back in something cheeper.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/16/2004 12:42:53 PM
Message:

Dave, I started with the front side and still have about 3 rows of shingles to do before it's finished. So it will be on the backside where I run out of the BiS cedar material and have to start using something else. I think I can make the mix work visually... and it will be on the backside and not too noticeable (hopefully) anyway. So maybe my thinking is right in line with what you're saying about the owners of historical homes.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/18/2004 1:36:49 PM
Message:

As we are approaching the end I did some more work. I weathered the access road and added some bushes to around the back of the station building. I am hoping to get to the LHS this weekend and pick up a bag of cinders and some clump foliage so I can do some more before the deadline.

Here is how the progress looks now.







Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 06/18/2004 2:52:37 PM
Message:

Guys you continue to impress!!! Great work by everyone.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/18/2004 4:40:29 PM
Message:

Tom,
The access road and the bushes by the station are looking great!


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/19/2004 12:17:48 PM
Message:

John,
Continually amazing stuff going on on that diorama, my friend!
Tom,
Really like the look of that access road! [:-thumbu]
Reminds me of the W. KY Parkway! [:-boggled][:-banghead] (are you reading this, Gov. Fletcher? )

Well, I've been piling some things around the station...both to hide some goofs, & just to give it that "well-used-hard-ridden-rural-depot" kind of feel...




Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/19/2004 12:45:25 PM
Message:

Drew, your station looks great! Isn't is amazing how just a few details can really help bring a scene to life or help make it even more realistic? Very nice!


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/20/2004 11:28:36 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by belg

The man sitting closest to the camera in the brown suit for some reason looks like his head is to big for his body is this just the angle of the shot? Or is that the famous Mr Big? :-) Pat



Pat,
That is one of my Weston figures. I think that his head really is a bit out-of-scale, but the angle of the camera really magnified it! I didn't glue him in place inside the station, so "Mr. Big" might show up again in future pictures.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/20/2004 9:50:01 PM
Message:

Tom and Drew, both your stations look great[:-thumbu][:-thumbu]

After thinking my project was done, I realized I forgot one thing...



Now it's done


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/20/2004 10:39:30 PM
Message:

Ken,
Ah, the thinking room. Great idea!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/22/2004 10:07:32 AM
Message:

Ken

You just keep making better and better!

Since I finally made it to the LHS I was able to work on the challenge project some. I added cinders around the front and sides of the station. I also added a layer of course turf to the green areas. Next up is trees and brush, and some details like benches.






Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/22/2004 11:14:22 AM
Message:

Yikes, only 9 days left![:-bigeyes]

Tom, your scene is really starting to take shape.[:-thumbu]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/22/2004 11:24:13 AM
Message:

Tom, your whole station diorama is looking really good. I think you're going to be one of the lucky ones who actually gets finished on time.

Bruce, don't remind me. I'm trying really hard not to look at the calendar so I can pretend I still have a couple of weeks left.

I did get some more of the roof shingled last night. But I had forgotten how much more difficult it is to work with the "old fashioned" Campbell's gummed paper shingles than it is with the newer laser-cut cedar shingles.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/22/2004 6:19:58 PM
Message:

OK, time for another update on the exterior details.










Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/22/2004 8:43:48 PM
Message:

Tom ,Bruce , Ken and Drew ...you guys are really doing nice work [:-thumbu] and it looks you'll all be finished in time . Congrats .

As for me , I'm spinning my wheels and need an answer to my lighting issue .

I bought 10 Miniatronics lights 1.5 volts and 30m Amp . I guess I need to go to Radio Shack for a 1.5V power supply ? My old mrring power packs are 15 volts which I'm assuming would be detrimental to the life of my lights .I think .





I'm going to glue wood cross beams between the wood uprights and suspend the lamps , 2 to a stall , through a small hole drilled in the middle of the cross beam .


Obviously the crossbeams are not installed yet , but you get the idea where I'm going .

Now , do I glue or tape 2 busses in the underside of the roof , and feed in the light wires into the buss ? Here's the underside of the roof .





Any ideas out there ? I've never done this stuff for many decades and don't want to make a mistake and blow these rather expensive little lights .

Thanks , Terry


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/22/2004 9:50:49 PM
Message:

What a bunch of great stations.[:-thumbu]Looks like you guys should make the deadline.

Terry, if I recall right you wanted to make the roof a lift off piece. I wouldn't attach anything to it then.

I would try and conceal the wires from view and run them out the bottom to a buss.

Great looking lights. I'll have to check them out.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/22/2004 10:43:57 PM
Message:

Wow!
Great work, guys! [:-thumbu]
Terry,
The lights are going to be a fantastic addition to an already fine piece of work!
Tom,
The diorama is looking great, my friend! [:-thumbu]
Ken,
Just when we thought you were finished, you go & add the PERFECT finishing touch! [:-thumbu][:-shades] (looks like that LPB has been waiting a loooong time for that little addition! )
Bruce,
Just when I've recovered from your last set of pics, you go & blow me away again! [:-bigeyes2] You have an incredible eye for detail!

Here's a picture of the Glasgow Jct station, as one of the daily locals pulls away...


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/22/2004 11:15:26 PM
Message:

Terry,
I used those lamps in my Round House and there is even one in the station that I am currently working on. (Look at the interior pictures back on page 62 of the thread. In the photo that looks straight down, you will see it suspended from a beam in the bay window area. I threaded the wire along the wall and through a hole in the floor.) In the round house, I ran the wires along the backs of the vertical roof supports and thru holes in the floor to the buss.

Drew, your Glasgow Junction Station is already blending beautifuly into your layout.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/22/2004 11:47:50 PM
Message:

Ken and Bruce , thank you for the suggestion on going under the floor . I was thinking of the bus in the roof and having a ' hinge ' effect to open it , but it would be awkward . My only concern on going under the floor is adding to the wire that comes with the lamps . It is too short to reach around ....maybe Radio Shack has wire that small in a similar gauge . Anything spliced on that is larger in gauge will be tough to hide .
The cross beams will be installed tomorrow to get going again . I won't have everything finished ( diorama ) by month end but will go as far as possible . This will be part of my layout , so will be finished eventually .

TERRY


Reply author: paulbrockatsf
Replied on: 06/23/2004 03:36:45 AM
Message:


Great modeling guys. Your projects are all different but all are great looking structures.

Paul


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/23/2004 10:03:51 AM
Message:

Drew, your station is a perfect fit for the overall surroundings. It looks great! [:-thumbu]

Well, it's frustration time for me again. I set aside some time yesterday to work on roof pieces and finish shingling them. I finished the first card of BiS cedar shingles and opened the second only to discover that it was far thicker than the first. The shingles didn't even come close to matching up in thickness, and the difference was very noticeable. So I went to plan B, making my own.

In short summary, I wasted the entire afternoon and evening trying to make my own shingles and get them to look right. I tried everything from cutting strips of red oak veneer to cutting strips of construction paper and grocery sacks. Nothing looked right, nothing came close to matching the BiS shingles I had already put down. They looked great! Everything else...[:-yuck]

Since I don't have time to order anything like the Paper Creek stuff Karl O. is using, I decided about 10 o'clock last night to scrap the wood shingles and use the corrugated roofing that came with the kit. So I pulled the shingles up that I had attached to the cardstock and stuck them to a piece of waxed paper. I'll find a use for them some other time. In the meantime, I hope to find a few minutes later today to start cutting the corrugated material and get it primed. [:-grumpy] It's not the look I wanted for the station, but it will have to do.[:-grumpy]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/23/2004 10:17:03 AM
Message:

Sorry to hear of yet another problem with that kit and project , Mike .It seems to be one thing after another .
Speaking of corrugated roofing , do you know if it is sold separately ? I've seen plastic 'metal roofing ', I think by Evergreen but it is a different look completely .
Secondly , would the Campbell's style corrugated roofing be OK for On30 , or do you think the scale difference would be that noticable ?

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/23/2004 10:47:50 AM
Message:

Terry, corrugated metal roofing is sold separately, although Walthers is sold out of both the Campells and Builders in Scale products. Some LHS's may still have it in stock. However, CC Crow, which now owns BiS has it available direct from them. They have both HO and O scale roofing listed.
http://www.builders-in-scale.com/bis/parts-metal.html

I used it on one of my shelf orphans and on a shed for my RRC diorama. I really like it because it has a different look than the usual Campbells corrugated roofing.





I have a feeling the BiS HO roofing might look okay on an O scale structure, but I think the Campbells would look terrible because the ribbing woud be too close together to look right. I'd be more inclined to go with the BiS O scale product, though.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/23/2004 11:36:06 AM
Message:

I can't remember seeing that structure before , Mike ...nice job with the ' run down ' look .
With that style roofing , if it was a new structure , let's say , should all the ribs of the roofing line up straight ? I think I like what you've done here better , and it gives it more character . I can see what you mean about it possibly being OK for O scale .
Thanks for the link to BiS.

TERRY


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/23/2004 4:57:19 PM
Message:

Sorry to hear about your problems Mike. Must be frustrating as all [:-censored]

Terry, back to your lighting. You could run the lights in series and only have two wires coming out the bottom. That way the 8" leads should be enough except for the two wires.

Thats if you want them all on at the same time. I also think the lights might be dimmer if hooked up that way but I'm not sure.

Just another suggestion.[:-clown]


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/23/2004 7:17:27 PM
Message:

I've been watching Bruce, Terry, Tom, Drew, Ken, John and Mike (Hope I didn't leave anyone out) make impressive progress on their projects and when Bruce noted that there were only 9 days left in the month I figured I better get busy. Last night I added some details.





Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/23/2004 8:45:13 PM
Message:

Rick,
That is a great looking little station, and the details look right at home on and around it.[:-thumbu]

I finished adding the exterior details to the my station tonight and finished up the interior by adding the late-arriving desk lamp.


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/23/2004 8:49:49 PM
Message:

Looks really good , Rick . I had a '58 Chevy back in the late 70's for about 5 years before selling it and getting a '74 Vette , so your pic brings back old memories .

As far as my roundhouse is concerned , I struck out at the local Radio Shack ,this particular store I've never liked anyhow . I realize my needs are specialized but they had no low voltage power packs of ANY description or thin gauge wire .I think I'll have to consult my DCC decoder installer for this one ....as it seems more up his alley .Maybe I'll give Jim ( Jimdad1) a heads up as well .

I won't get this one finished , but will give it the ' old college try ' as it were .
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions , it's a matter of hardware at this point .

TERRY


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/23/2004 8:58:19 PM
Message:

Great looking diorama Rick. The details really set it off.[:-thumbu] That first pic with the sun shining on the station is really cool.

Bruce, I'm really impressed with your station interior. It just keeps getting better.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/23/2004 9:01:35 PM
Message:

Great work displayed by all of you that are near the end of a very exciting Challenge project.
Well I have lost a week moving and will only have a few days to see how much I can get completed on the project.
I will however finish this project before starting any others.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/23/2004 10:01:22 PM
Message:

Rick, that's a sharp looling station diorama! I really like it! [:-thumbu] The scenery on each side looks very natural.

Bruce, your detailing of the interior is simply outstanding! You did a beautiful job of staining the wood and placing the details. This is worthy of a magazine writeup!

Well, I'm about 99.9% sure I won't get finished by the deadline. I've got to go back to the lake tomorrow to meet a repairman and see about some work on my boat dock. I hadn't planned to leave until Friday afternoon, but we had to change our plans this morning. I don't know if one extra evening would have made much difference anyway. [:-banghead]


Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 06/24/2004 04:59:33 AM
Message:

I doubt if I will get far with my challenge. I have been so busy with work that I haven't even had much time to follow what's happening on the forum. Congratulations to all those who have made such great progress with the challenge.


Reply author: paulbrockatsf
Replied on: 06/24/2004 05:36:30 AM
Message:


I don't get to look at this thread very often. Every time I do I am blown away by the modeling seen here.

Rick,
Your station looks great. My eyes played tricks on me when I saw it in your first photo!

Bruce,
Your interior details are amazing.

Paul


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/24/2004 07:58:58 AM
Message:

Rick,
A fine piece of modeling, my friend, & some excellent outdoor photos![:-thumbu]


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/24/2004 08:49:22 AM
Message:

Drew

Your station looks right at home on your layout.

Rick

Great job on your station. The photos are great.

Bruce

WOW! The detailing is simply awesome!

I am hoping to get some trees planted before the deadline. I am not too sure how many details will get added by then either. With vacation coming up in less than two weeks I don't forsee a visit to the LHS to pick up the needed items. I have to root around and see what I have. The road and the trolley line remain untouched. I need to build the bridges for them. I also need to add the creek and the opposite bank.


Reply author: lab-dad
Replied on: 06/24/2004 09:25:13 AM
Message:

This ones for Terry, and anyone else who may need an adea.
What about making the cross beams (or their tops) from brass?
Then use the brass as a conductor. Obviously insulating the positive & negative leads.
You could also run them in series and have only one wire at each end.
Then you could use a larger power supply voltage.
just add up the number of bulbs and multiply by 1.5 (volts).
as long as each bulb didnt get more than 1.5 volts your okay.
Obviously with a series circuit if one bulb goes out they all will, but soldering their
leads to the brass cross frames makes replacement easy enough.
Hope this helps
-Marty


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/24/2004 6:27:22 PM
Message:

Thanks for the idea Marty , and I most definitely will keep it in mind as I move into construction of the Steel Mill . They were usually brightly lit at night ( at least Detroit's Zug Island facility was ) and I may use your idea there .
I have bought a regulator that will allow me to reduce the power pack voltage to the 1.5V that I need .I just need to find the time to build it and conceal the wiring as much as possible , and install the regulator .

TERRY


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/24/2004 8:34:18 PM
Message:

Thanks everyone for your positive comments. I would still like to get a few little people painted and added to the scene. Some day I will buy some Jordan vehicles because I think they would look more appropriate with the station.

Bruce, that is a prize winning interior if I ever did see one. Great work.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/24/2004 9:46:38 PM
Message:

Thank you all for the positive feedback on the interior of the station. Well, for me, time has run out on this project. No modeling tomorrow night, and Saturday we leave for a week in Aruba.

So, here are a few final pictures of the exterior of the station.







When I get a chance, I want to add an extension to the platform, off to the left of the station, along the tracks. I have another of those tall lamp posts, and I would like to put this baggage cart there as well.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/24/2004 10:05:04 PM
Message:

Bruce, thanks for the additional photos of an excellent scene! That's a great looking diorama you've put together! [:-thumbu]

I really think your station's interior deserves lighting. It's just too nice to leave under a dark roof!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/24/2004 10:18:30 PM
Message:

You've run me out of superlatives , Bruce .It is simply a magnificent model with top knotch workmanship .The lampost is very unique ..nice touch .

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/24/2004 11:08:14 PM
Message:

Bruce

Great looking diorama you made there. I wish I could get mine close to being that done.


Reply author: ANo10
Replied on: 06/24/2004 11:19:14 PM
Message:

Bruce,

An excellent job on the Challenge project. I agree that the interior detail needs lighting.
Truly a great craftsman diorama.

Jim


Reply author: belg
Replied on: 06/25/2004 06:55:45 AM
Message:

Bruce the whole scene looks wonderful and coloring is just right.
I agree with Mike that the interior needs to be lit or else all
your great work in there will be hidden and I believe it needs
to be showcased. The lamppost is something I've not seen before who
makes that particular version?


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 06/25/2004 07:30:01 AM
Message:

Guys, thanks for the complements.

Right now, I have one miniatronics lamp, of the type that Terry posted pictures of, mounted near the roof in the bay window. I will see if that is enough,or if I have to add more.

Pat, those station platform lamps are made by SS LTD. I got mine as part of their complete Station Detail Package, but they also sell them in packs of 3.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/25/2004 07:41:33 AM
Message:

Bruce, great pictures and diorama. Congratulations on finishing.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/25/2004 10:38:27 PM
Message:

Great work by all as we fast approach the end of the Challenge Project.
I also will not finish by the deadline but I had a chance tonight to do a little work myself.
Nothing is glued in the pictures and probably will not be as it will be easier to move as loose pieces rather than a large diorama.
I will at least have the pictures here to reference when I resurrect the diorama.

These pictures are the view from the river.







I started with the preliminary painting of the diesel tug.




Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/25/2004 10:49:49 PM
Message:

Thats really a fun diorama Bruce , nice job . I see you've got going on the tug , too. I think I'll be getting one of those down the road .[:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/25/2004 10:52:27 PM
Message:

My apologies JOHN , I can't even get the name straight , and haven't even touched a glass of wine .[:-paperbag][:-paperbag]
Bruce and the others are finishing in fine style too .

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/26/2004 12:50:12 AM
Message:

John

That is a great looking diorama! Looks like everything came together nicely!


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/26/2004 12:54:14 AM
Message:

Bruce [:-thumbu][:-star][:-star][:-star]
The outside looks just as good as the inside. Great looking station.

Welcome back John. Hope the trip went well.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/26/2004 1:19:49 PM
Message:

John, your diorama looks great! Your scratchbuilt structures are outstanding!


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/26/2004 11:40:38 PM
Message:

Well, time is running out. So here are a few photos of the not yet done diorama. I am hoping to begin making and then planting trees and bushes between now and the end of the month.




Reply author: postalkarl
Replied on: 06/27/2004 01:05:07 AM
Message:

Hi All:

Everyone's models are really looking good. Is there a deadline on finishing this project or is it just ongoing? I might join in on the challange III project. Just have to decide what to do.

Karl S


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/27/2004 08:03:39 AM
Message:

John, with the details you are adding and the tug it's all coming together. Great job.

Tom, did you paint those little people? They are very well done.


Reply author: Drew
Replied on: 06/27/2004 09:46:12 AM
Message:

John,
The diorama looks FANTASTIC!![:-bigeyes2]
The white base makes it look like a winter scene!
Ilove that tugboat![:-thumbu]
Tom,
The addition of the figures, vehicles, & train has really brought your station to life!
You've done an excellent job! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/27/2004 10:29:38 AM
Message:

Tom, your diorama is looking really good. I've enjoyed following your progress on this project! It looks to me like you're going to get finished on time - or at least really close to being finished.

quote:
Originally posted by postalkarl

Hi All:

Everyone's models are really looking good. Is there a deadline on finishing this project or is it just ongoing? I might join in on the challange III project. Just have to decide what to do.

Karl S



Karl, the deadline for the current Challenge is the end of this month. The Challenge projects run for 6 months, so C-3 will begin July 1 and end on Dec. 31. I'll post the "official" C-3 thread with the "official rules" right after I close the C-2 thread Wednesday evening or Thursday morning.

Looking forward to having you join in.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/27/2004 6:59:52 PM
Message:

Thanks everyone!

I still hope to add some trees and bushes to the diorama. There is a gully in the back crying out for a drainage pipe also. Some day I may even finish the creek ands the bridges.

Rick

The LPP’s were all factory painted. They are an assortment of Bachmann and Life-Like. There are also some LPP’s that came with some of the Model Power Built-up structures I have received over the last few years.


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/29/2004 12:21:32 AM
Message:

Well I have added some trees, underbrush and bushes. Not more I can do before the deadline and the fact that I need to get to the LHS for detail parts and that won't happen until after vacation. The area around the gully I am not working on since I want to add a few things to the gully like a drain pipe or culvert wall.

OK here are some pictures:






Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/29/2004 12:24:22 AM
Message:

And here are a few more. One other thing I did was add some coarse turf to the edge of the cinders to make it look like the grass is coming back.




Reply author: bpate
Replied on: 06/29/2004 04:04:23 AM
Message:

Apart from some major disruption to the space-time continuum there is no way I could finish this challenge by the due date. Congratulations to all those who got it done in time. If it wasn;t for the thread of the paddles I am sure John Bagley would still be packing boxes so I guess I acheived something! I do have a turntable, a few hundred LP and a station building at least that will go into the layout at some stage.

Well done all the completers.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/29/2004 6:12:51 PM
Message:

Good evening all.

Well with one day to go I also will not finish with the Challenge project.
Too much 1:1 modeling going on right now.
However thanks to Barry and his paddles I have made some progress on the project.
Here are some views from the road.
I know the vehicles need Dull-Cote and also some details added.
Also the water is unfinished and has plenty of seaweed(grass) floating on it, but any progress at this point is better than none.
Where are all my Little people.







Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/29/2004 6:36:36 PM
Message:

John, you've got a good sense for detailing your scenes! I really like what you've got done so far.[:-thumbu]

Well, guys, I'm pretty much in the same boat as several of you. I won't finish mine on time either. It seems like it was one thing after another all throughout the Challenge period. I missed three weekends at the lake (where I was working on my project) during January and February because of bad weather/roads. And then there was the problem of the crumbling kit wood.... [:-censored] and on and on and on....[:-grumpy] So the station still doesn't have a roof, the porch isn't finished, and I never even got close to doing any detailing.

But I did decide last night that I still don't want the corrugated roofing, so I'm ordering a couple of packages of Paper Creek shingles for the station. Until those arrive, I'm suspending any further work on the project.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/29/2004 7:41:21 PM
Message:

Tom, the trees and bushes bring your scene to life.

John, you may not have finished, but you did get a lot of work done in the past 6 months.

Congratulations to both of you for creating first class dioramas.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 06/30/2004 7:54:41 PM
Message:

Well it's the last day of the challenge so I better get some pictures up. I'd say I was about 90-95% finished. I want to back date the vehicles a bit with a few Jordan cars and a truck. I also need to add a few more people to add a little more activity to the scene. I also would like some input from you regarding some copper flashing I was thinking of adding to the A-frame roof section on the front. You can see it on the second to last picture. I'm on the fence wether I like it or not, that's why it's not glued down yet. The last picture includes a Branchline car I built for the challenge. I like the car, but think it's a little too big for this scene.










I enjoyed doing the challenge a lot and learned quite a bit, especially about scenery. Thank you to all of you for your advice and input. I also enjoyed following along with everyone else's progress.

I just noticed after I posted the pictures that one of the supports on the passenger stand came loose and is leaning[:-banghead]. Sorry about that.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 06/30/2004 8:45:34 PM
Message:

Rick, that is an absolutely beautiful diorama. The word stunning quickly comes to mind.Everything, from the structure itself to the placement of the details, is simply outstanding! [:-thumbu]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/30/2004 8:49:51 PM
Message:

Well , Mike said it all. Just the right touch Rick , not overly done , and the outdoor picture and natural light is perfect . Great work .

TERRY


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 06/30/2004 9:36:10 PM
Message:

Hi Rick
I agree that stunning is the correct word to use when viewing your diorama.
As for the copper flashing I like it but to be prototypically correct I think it would have to be under the shingles on both roofs.
We had a similar discussion back in the Foss' Landing thread and if I am not mistaken Mike redid his roof to get the flashing under the shingles.
I think the Branchline car looks fine.
A question about your vehicles.
Who makes them for I think what looks to be a 58 Chevy would look good getting gas on my project.
PS I really like the tree in the first photo.


Reply author: Marken
Replied on: 06/30/2004 9:49:00 PM
Message:

Rick, very very nicely done. What a great little scene you've created[:-thumbu]

Even though the clock says it's almost over, I hope everyone who did not quite finish will keep us updated on progress. There were some great projects created with this challenge and I enjoyed everyone's updates.


Reply author: Climax1880
Replied on: 06/30/2004 9:52:30 PM
Message:

Hey Rick:
Great looking piece. I too like that big ole tree. I do have to agree with John and others, the flashing should be under the shingling. I don't know about the car. It DOES look a little large doesn't it? Maybe it's the photo angle. Other than that, I hope that I can do as good on my projects.

JR


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 06/30/2004 9:54:25 PM
Message:

Somewhat like the movie ' Beauty and the Beast ' , I'd like the guys with the BEAUTIES to post first and then I'll post my unfinished BEAST . Only fair !C'mon Bags , Ken , Tom , Drew and all , get those pics posted !Mike too , he's mostly done , no ?

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 06/30/2004 11:39:29 PM
Message:

John and Rick

Your projects came out great! Love all the details!

I did not get achance to do pictures tonight. So I have to do them tomorrow night or they will have to wait until after vacation.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 07/01/2004 07:58:07 AM
Message:

Thanks everyone for your positive comments.

Thanks John and JR for the help with the flashing. I'll dig through the Foss' thread and try to figure out how to do it right.

Terry, why are you so hard on yourself? Your roundhouse looks great. And you modified the kit with castings you did yourself, modified the roof and added lights. More than I did. I built the kit straight out of the box. So come on and post your pictures too.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 07/01/2004 09:34:40 AM
Message:

Rick, I did put the flashing under the shingles on one of the Foss' structures. With "real world" shake shingle roofing (as opposed to composition shingles), overlapping the shingles in the valley would be fairly difficult because they aren't flexible. It can be done, but it's not typical. On your model, you might be able to cut away a small section of shingles down the length of the valley. Then gently peel up the shingles on each side, tuck the flashing material in under the rows, and then reglue the shingles back down.

It's been over a year since I redid the roof on Foss', but I think I wound up removing all of the shingles and redoing the whole roof. I'd have to look back in that thread to refresh my memory, however.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 07/01/2004 09:40:28 AM
Message:

Well, guys, it's July 1, and that's it for Challenge 2. Whether we finished our projects or not, hopefully we all learned something new about model building or were able to improve existing techniques and skills.

I'll leave this thread unlocked until the end of the day today for anyone who wants to add a final comment. Then I'll lock and unsticky it to make room for Challenge 3. [:-eyebrows]

Also, when I get a chance, I'll set up a "final photos" thread so the participants in this Challenge can post their final construction photos - as we did with our Challenge 1 projects.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 07/01/2004 10:15:16 AM
Message:

Mike, thanks for the additional info. I don't want to tear the roof off and start over and cutting the shingles along the valley doesn't sound like fun either. Guess I'll leave the flashing off this time and try it on another project.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 07/01/2004 10:23:31 AM
Message:

Either way you go, Rick, it's still a beautifully done model and a great scene! I really like it!


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 07/01/2004 3:11:00 PM
Message:

I guess it's show time . My show is called 'Warts and All' .
First I'd like to congratulate and thank my fellow modellers for their great work .I really enjoyed watching you progress and learned a lot in doing so .Time management is an issue with all the other things we have going on and most of you used your time wisely . It's a lesson I hope to learn for future Challenges .
Bags, Rick , Ken , Tom , Drew , Mike , Tyson early on ....I'm most impressed with your modelling skills and great ideas .Thank You .[:-thumbu][:-thumbu] Hope I didn't leave anyone out .

My roundhouse is not finished nor was the diorama started .I opted to exclude the diorama ( time management again ) and try to work on the area where the roundhouse and turntable will go .In the big picture , I'm building a layout and want any Challenges to be part of it so as to get things up and running .
I deliberately worked on the cliffs first and then set the roundhouse and turntable , much as in 1:1 .







In front of the turntable there will be another cliff facing ,shorter than those in the background .

The roundhouse itself is much like the previous postings except I have half of the lights installed but not hooked up since I cannot find 30 gauge wire .





One other problem that arose was the roof warping for some reason . The basement is cool , but no dehumidifier, so perhaps the gravel on the roof took on moisture , I'm not sure . I'll probably have to redo it since bracing underneath didn't help much .

Thats all folks , see you in Challenge 3 .

TERRY


Reply author: wvrr
Replied on: 07/01/2004 3:40:45 PM
Message:

Well, I am disappointed that I did not get to finish my Fenimore Coal Dock module. I had a full head of steam back in February/March and completed the structures, then. Nuts. It was fun seeing all the great work of everyone else!

I don't think I will participate in challenge 3. I'll be following along, though. I have quite a few other projects that I would like to work on the last half of this year.

Chuck


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 07/01/2004 3:47:11 PM
Message:

John, Tom, Rick, & Terry,
I see that you all posted pictures since I left for Aruba, and seeing your great models and dioramas made the cost of this log-in from Aruba worthwhile![:-thumbu]


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 07/01/2004 4:22:45 PM
Message:

Geez , how could I leave out Bruce and I forgot Chuck ....my memory , or lack of . Thanks guys , have fun in Aruba Bruce ( I'm humming that Beachboy song )

TERRY


Reply author: TomPM
Replied on: 07/01/2004 5:49:36 PM
Message:

I fun with this. I did not get as far as I thought I could. I tried something new, pouring and carving a rock wall. I won't have any pictures until after I return from vacation, July 18th.


Reply author: Tyson Rayles
Replied on: 07/01/2004 5:55:12 PM
Message:

Hearty congrats to everyone involved (except me [:-banghead] ) To the ones that completed your projects they all are winners in my book, some amazing modeling is done on this forum! [:-bigeyes][:-bigeyes2][:-magnify] To those that didn't get finished, well you still got a heck of a lot more done than I did [:-paperbag]and what you did do looks better, so congrats to all of you also! [:-party]


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 07/06/2004 10:36:59 PM
Message:

Well I had a chance to do a little on the Challenge project.
I added a boat on a trailer(still without wheels) and added some dirt which is tile grout and played around with the water.
I am trying to match the water to the Foss' diorama as it will sit to the left of this one.
Sorry about the picture quality but I no longer have my overhead flood lights and I had to use the flash which really distorts the colors.
I will take any further pictures outside.





Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 07/06/2004 10:47:54 PM
Message:

John, thanks for the update. All the details your adding make an already great looking scene even better.


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 07/06/2004 11:06:05 PM
Message:

John,
The diorama looks better and better with every posting.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 07/16/2004 2:20:29 PM
Message:

Well I have been able to add a few details to the project.
I might at this rate finish this year.[:-banghead][:-banghead][:-banghead]
The back side with a few details added and some weathering done to the tug.
I see the tool cart has fallen over in the picture.
That is a problem as I have not glued all the details down.




The Alaska State Police car is here for some new tires.
I still have details here to add.





I finally added 2 little people.
That is Mike Chambers on the left, owner of Chambers Marine pointing to the boat and asking Teejay the owner of the repair shop why the heck the motor which he was supposed to repair is still on the boat and not fixed.




Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 07/16/2004 5:00:15 PM
Message:

John,
Thanks for posting the update pictures. What is left on your "to-do" list?


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 07/16/2004 5:10:32 PM
Message:

She looks about done to me John . Very nice and I love the boat and outboard / trailer .It's a very busy project and I think you've done a great job . Dozens of little details . [:-thumbu]

TERRY


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 07/16/2004 5:23:24 PM
Message:

This is as far as I've got . I've been wrestling with the turntable issue and also warpage of the styrene roof on the roundhouse . I'm thinking possibly a humidity problem in the basement ....I may try a dehumidifier . It doesn't affect wood kits , but 2 or 3 styrene projects, which has me puzzled .







I haven't installed the roundhouse lights yet ....been involved with other things .I've got everything I need to hook up the lights , just need to find the time .

TERRY


Reply author: paulbrockatsf
Replied on: 07/16/2004 6:20:14 PM
Message:


Terry,

I think your roundhouse looks good. Maybe you have already mention this but whose turntable are you using. (I know it's yours but who manufactures it? )

Paul


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 07/16/2004 8:23:52 PM
Message:

Terry,
The roundhouse/turntable pictures look great. I haven't run into the problem with stryene warping with humidity, and I have quite a humidity swing in my basement.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 07/16/2004 8:59:54 PM
Message:

John, that tug is looking good and so are all the other added details.

Terry, that's a real nice looking scene with the mountain behind the roundhouse.


Reply author: Bbags
Replied on: 07/16/2004 9:11:27 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Dutchman

John,
Thanks for posting the update pictures. What is left on your "to-do" list?



Terry,
It looks like you spent your vacation wisely and did some modeling.
I like the roundhouse and the Lime Kiln from the other thread.
Also good to see that your backdrop and track laying is going well.

Bruce,
I still have to detail the fuel dock and the front of the gas station.
The waterfront is a busy place in the summertime.

I have Mike and teejay(from now on known as TJ Helwig owner of Helwig's Grinding Service and Small Engine Repair) in the scene and now I also need to find the right little person to represent the "Dutchman".


Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 07/16/2004 9:44:13 PM
Message:

Bags, how about the local 'Dutchman Ale ' beer distributor ...must be lots of thirsty folks at that Marina .
Sorry I didn't get Mike's motor repaired ....maybe I was ...um , working on my layout , yeah Mike would buy that one ..
TJ's Grinding ? What , my TEETH ??


Paul , the roundhouse is a cheapo Atlas 3 bay that has been heavily kitbashed . The turntable I would simply like to BASH , period . It's a Cornerstone and I would not recommend it .Mine is out of round and will be manually operated until I get a replacement ...some year . Others have had troubles with that model as well except Eddie Landreth who is happy with his .Hey , since Eddie is switching over to On30 , maybe his turntable is for sale !

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 07/19/2004 2:54:12 PM
Message:

John and Terry, I saw your latest photos the other day, but I didn't have time to reply at the time. John, your diorama looks great![:-thumbu] I really like the way you've placed the buildings in relation to the angles of the seawall. But what I really need to know is.... will TJ ever get my engine repaired. Or am I destined to stand there in the hot sun for all of eternity baking my little plastic brains out?

Terry, your roundhouse is looking really good. I still love that stone foundation! Have you tried an electronics supply house for 30 gauge wire?



Reply author: teejay
Replied on: 07/19/2004 3:28:07 PM
Message:

Mike , sorry I can't get your engine fixed , I've been down at the stone quarry lately , sweating my little styrene you-know-what off.

I have everything I need to complete the roundhouse ....wire from a telephone wire cable bundle ...exactly right size ,the lights and a resistor to connect the MRC Power Pack to the lights without grenading them .

TERRY


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/04/2007 2:14:44 PM
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Well, three years have gone by since we started up this Challenge thread. And here I am resurrecting it. [:-bigeyes]

I don't know how many of the projects that were unfinished at the deadline ever got finished later, but mine was not among them. I had become totally frustrated with my kit after months of dealing with old, brittle wood that broke easily and frequently. As a result, I put the whole thing up on the highest shelf in the basement after the Challenge deadline passed, and I didn't care if I ever finished it. After having to replace much of the original wood with fresh stripwood and scratchbuilding several of the assemblies, I'd had it. These are some of the final photos I posted of the model a few days before the deadline:









The only thing I did after these photos were taken was to finish the freight dock and ramp. Then the whole thing was sent up to spider haven.

Okay, fast forward 3 years. I've mellowed some.... .... and I have also decided to finish up a couple of unfinished models before I start anything new. That's the plan anyway....... So I decided to give Quincy Station another try.

Of course, as soon as I got it down from the shelf and dusted off the cobwebs, I realized that the front platform needed to be replaced. It had warped and didn't fit against the front wall like it should. So that's where I started.... another rebuilding project right off the bat. In the past week, then, I've rebuilt the passenger platform with fresh stripwood, assembled the steps for the end of the platform, and started shingling the subroof.

For those of you who are familiar with Campbell's Quincy Station, you know the roof is supposed to be corrugated metal. I decided to go with shingles instead and have been using Rusty Stumps cedar shingles. With the different roof lines and pitches to the overall roof, I'm also installing "flashing" made from painted masking tape. The flashing will be textured with chalk powder or Bragdon's when all of the roof pieces are assembled.

Here's where I am after a few evenings into the reclamation project. First, the rebuilt platform....



and the front roof panel...



If anyone who didn't finish his station the last time wants to dig it back out and join me in this grand adventure, please feel free to do so....


Reply author: Dutchman
Replied on: 02/04/2007 2:37:00 PM
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Boy, Mike, where has the time gone?

The shingles are looking great.


Reply author: Rick
Replied on: 02/04/2007 3:34:04 PM
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I wasn't even sure if I was involved with this challenge so I had to go back and look. Not only did I participate I even finished it.



Now it's sitting on a shelf with three years of dust on it.

Mike, the roof and platform look good.


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/04/2007 3:42:55 PM
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Thanks, guys. I like Rusty's shingles better than any I've used in the past. They're a nice, easy-to-work-with design. A little paint and a little dry-brushing is all they need to look great.

Rick, I remembered your little depot. I really liked the stonework and the way you painted the building and finished the whole scene. [:-thumbu]


Reply author: MikeC
Replied on: 02/04/2007 4:25:50 PM
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Okay, someone PM'd a request for a closeup of the shingles and a question about how I weathered them. The weathering is easy. I just used an old 1/4" wide brush and painted the strips (while still attached to each other as a sheet) with Polly Rail Tie Brown. I made no attempt to get even or thorough coverage. After that dried, I dry-brushed the sheet with Ceramcoat's Mudstone. The final step was to lightly wash the whole thing with a mix of brown and black inks in alcohol.

The photo was taken in fairly harsh, contrasty sunlight a few minutes ago, and I did not take time to do much correction. As a result, the colors should be judged by looking at both this photo and the one posted earlier today. However, this photo does give a good idea of the spacing and overall design of the RSSM shingles for those who are curious about them.

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